Disaster

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Pete i looked up Graham’s comments on the withdrawal. i didn’t see anything to indicate he thinks we should stay forever. he just thinks we should
have had a better plan to withdraw. that’s what almost everyone is saying. The withdrawal was the right idea, but it was poorly executed.

You suggested that a meaningful republican force wishes we stayed. i honestly don’t know a single person who has ever said that, for sure that’s not what any meaningful
number of conservatives are saying.

You claimed we were saying that. You lied.
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toe the party line

Mr. Trump came into office having reversed his party’s long-held position on foreign interventions and called for an immediate removal of American troops stationed overseas. In February 2020, he announced a peace treaty with the Taliban, negotiated by Mr. Pompeo, that called for ending the American presence by May 1, 2021.

After his defeat last November, Republicans clung to Mr. Trump’s America-first line. They urged Mr. Biden to stick to the May 1 deadline, and publicly groused when Mr. Biden extended the date for a withdrawal until Aug. 31. “That kind of thinking has kept us in Afghanistan nearly 20 years,” Representative Andy Biggs of Arizona complained at the time.

But as the Americans’ final days in Afghanistan devolved last month into a frantic race to get more than 125,000 people out — during which 13 service members were killed in a bombing attack outside the Kabul airport — Republican lawmakers and candidates who had embraced Mr. Trump’s agreement with the Taliban abruptly changed their tune. They savaged Mr. Biden for negotiating with the Taliban and denounced his avowed eagerness to wind down the American presence in Afghanistan before Sept. 11, calling it a sign of weakness.

“I would not allow the Taliban to dictate the date that Americans leave,” Mr. McCarthy said at a news conference on Friday. “But this president did, and I don’t believe any other president would, Republican or Democrat, outside of Joe Biden.”

Once defined by its hawkishness, the G.O.P. since Mr. Trump’s 2016 election has ruptured into camps of traditional interventionists like Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, who never quite warmed to Mr. Trump’s inward-looking foreign policy, and backers of Mr. Trump’s America-first approach, who shared his impatience in extricating the nation from intractable conflicts abroad.

Last year, Mr. McConnell, then the majority leader, took to the Senate floor to decry Mr. Trump’s planned withdrawal from Afghanistan, warning that a premature exit would be “reminiscent of the humiliating American departure from Saigon.”

But hitting Mr. Biden unites them all.

The Republican calls for Mr. Biden’s resignation, impeachment or removal from office under the 25th Amendment are also a reminder of how much more polarized the country’s politics have become since the start of the U.S. war in Afghanistan in the immediate aftermath of the Sept. 11 attacks, when Democrats and Republicans alike united behind President George W. Bush.

No Republican has turned faster on the Afghanistan withdrawal than Mr. Trump himself, who after years of espousing a return to isolationism has spent the last two weeks attacking Mr. Biden for carrying out the very withdrawal he had demanded and then negotiated.

As late as April 18, Mr. Trump exhorted Mr. Biden to accelerate the timetable for withdrawal: “I planned to withdraw on May 1st,” he said. “We should keep as close to that schedule as possible.”

Once things appeared to go haywire, however, the former president began to speak out against the withdrawal.

On Aug. 24, Mr. Trump accused Mr. Biden of forcing the military to “run off the battlefield,” leaving “thousands” of Americans as “hostages.” And he suggested that Mr. Biden should have kept at least some troop presence in Afghanistan.

“We had Afghanistan and Kabul in perfect control with just 2,500 soldiers and he destroyed it when it was demanded that they flee!” Mr. Trump said.

Other Republicans fell in behind Mr. Trump in attacking the president: Mr. McCarthy urged his lawmakers in a letter this week to make the case that Mr. Biden was single-handedly responsible for “the worst foreign policy disaster in a generation.”

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

toe the party line

Mr. Trump came into office having reversed his party’s long-held position on foreign interventions and called for an immediate removal of American troops stationed overseas. In February 2020, he announced a peace treaty with the Taliban, negotiated by Mr. Pompeo, that called for ending the American presence by May 1, 2021.

After his defeat last November, Republicans clung to Mr. Trump’s America-first line. They urged Mr. Biden to stick to the May 1 deadline, and publicly groused when Mr. Biden extended the date for a withdrawal until Aug. 31. “That kind of thinking has kept us in Afghanistan nearly 20 years,” Representative Andy Biggs of Arizona complained at the time.

But as the Americans’ final days in Afghanistan devolved last month into a frantic race to get more than 125,000 people out — during which 13 service members were killed in a bombing attack outside the Kabul airport — Republican lawmakers and candidates who had embraced Mr. Trump’s agreement with the Taliban abruptly changed their tune. They savaged Mr. Biden for negotiating with the Taliban and denounced his avowed eagerness to wind down the American presence in Afghanistan before Sept. 11, calling it a sign of weakness.

“I would not allow the Taliban to dictate the date that Americans leave,” Mr. McCarthy said at a news conference on Friday. “But this president did, and I don’t believe any other president would, Republican or Democrat, outside of Joe Biden.”

Once defined by its hawkishness, the G.O.P. since Mr. Trump’s 2016 election has ruptured into camps of traditional interventionists like Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, who never quite warmed to Mr. Trump’s inward-looking foreign policy, and backers of Mr. Trump’s America-first approach, who shared his impatience in extricating the nation from intractable conflicts abroad.

Last year, Mr. McConnell, then the majority leader, took to the Senate floor to decry Mr. Trump’s planned withdrawal from Afghanistan, warning that a premature exit would be “reminiscent of the humiliating American departure from Saigon.”

But hitting Mr. Biden unites them all.

The Republican calls for Mr. Biden’s resignation, impeachment or removal from office under the 25th Amendment are also a reminder of how much more polarized the country’s politics have become since the start of the U.S. war in Afghanistan in the immediate aftermath of the Sept. 11 attacks, when Democrats and Republicans alike united behind President George W. Bush.

No Republican has turned faster on the Afghanistan withdrawal than Mr. Trump himself, who after years of espousing a return to isolationism has spent the last two weeks attacking Mr. Biden for carrying out the very withdrawal he had demanded and then negotiated.

As late as April 18, Mr. Trump exhorted Mr. Biden to accelerate the timetable for withdrawal: “I planned to withdraw on May 1st,” he said. “We should keep as close to that schedule as possible.”

Once things appeared to go haywire, however, the former president began to speak out against the withdrawal.

On Aug. 24, Mr. Trump accused Mr. Biden of forcing the military to “run off the battlefield,” leaving “thousands” of Americans as “hostages.” And he suggested that Mr. Biden should have kept at least some troop presence in Afghanistan.

“We had Afghanistan and Kabul in perfect control with just 2,500 soldiers and he destroyed it when it was demanded that they flee!” Mr. Trump said.

Other Republicans fell in behind Mr. Trump in attacking the president: Mr. McCarthy urged his lawmakers in a letter this week to make the case that Mr. Biden was single-handedly responsible for “the worst foreign policy disaster in a generation.”

pete, they’re saying we shouldn’t have left until we were sure our citizens and allies were out. if that’s such an extremist position, maybe biden shouldn’t have promised to do precisely that. a promise he walked away from a couple of days later. and that’s what got him into hot water with americans.

Get your citizens out first, then destroy any valuable equipment you can’t take, then you leave. that’s what a lot of people ( not just republicans, despite what you say, as biden’s approval ratings tanked with independents) are saying.

you desperately, desperately want to believe that no one to the left of sean hannity believes he blew it. While it would be great for your personal agenda if that were the case, the fact is, it’s not the case.

doubtful anyone will remember this come the midterms. so chin up.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

pete, they’re saying we shouldn’t have left until we were sure our citizens and allies were out. if that’s such an extremist position, maybe biden shouldn’t have promised to do precisely that. a promise he walked away from a couple of days later. and that’s what got him into hot water with americans.

Get your citizens out first, then destroy any valuable equipment you can’t take, then you leave. that’s what a lot of people ( not just republicans, despite what you say, as biden’s approval ratings tanked with independents) are saying.

you desperately, desperately want to believe that no one to the left of sean hannity believes he blew it. While it would be great for your personal agenda if that were the case, the fact is, it’s not the case.

doubtful anyone will remember this come the midterms. so chin up.
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Keep toeing the party line

I see you qualified it as "Get your citizens out first, then destroy any valuable equipment you can’t take, then you leave."

TFG had plans to evacuate just as many Afghans as he did Kurds and blocked the vast majority of SIVs for his term.

No viable alternative has been presented that did not involve remobilizing troops to Pre January levels.

Keeping Bagram in addition to Kabul would require more troops and provides no added protection against suicide bombers at the evacuee interface.

Using Bagram instead of Kabul would have exposed more than a hundred thousand people to more dangerous situations than a single suicide bomber, including our troops and not eliminated suicide bombers.

As far as destroying all the equipment we provided to the Afghan army, would you have done that before, during or after their demise? Don't you think the Taliban would have noticed that the Afghan army was being disarmed?

We sold Blackhawks to China 20 years ago, and the Russians have had the basics for over 30.
The Super Tucano is Brazilian and on sale for 20 years.

More than 100K people (and likely substantially more) were killed during the U.S. presence in Afghanistan. Congress reflexively spent billions each year with no real oversight. Where was your universal outrage and condemnation during 20 years of horror and incompetence?

We're out, it's over, lets make sure we don't go try and setup a new Government again, though given our record I don't have a lot of faith.

[Got Stripers]

Jim looks like the administration has negotiated the flight of a couple hundred including Americans as he promised he would as other avenues opened up, rage on.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Jim looks like the administration has negotiated the flight of a couple hundred including Americans as he promised he would as other avenues opened up, rage on.
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All I feel about that, is happiness for those folks, and gratitude that the administration kept at it. If we get them all out, then this wasn't the disaster that Biden critics predicted that it would be.

Fair enough?

Deny on...

[wdmso]

Trump If we only had Robert E Lee to command our Troops in Afghanistan , that disaster would have ended in a complete and Total victory many years ago. What an embarrassment we are suffering because we dont have the genius of a Robert E Lee !

I am sorry if your a Conservative or a Republican and still support this seditious scumBag you're a bigger threat to America the the Taliban ever was

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

I am sorry if your a Conservative or a Republican and still support this seditious scumBag you're a bigger threat to America the the Taliban ever was

that's stupid.

Americans liked his policies wayne, sorry to break it to you. They hated his behavior, loved his results. That's why more Americans said they were better off after 4 years of Trump, than after 4 years of any other president, according to Gallup. I'd love to know what you think this poll means. That Trump broke that record during a pandemic, is shocking.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...go/ar-BB1a0Qbp

And did you ever comment on Bidens comment of not being black unless you support him?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

that's stupid.

Americans liked his policies wayne, sorry to break it to you. They hated his behavior, loved his results. That's why more Americans said they were better off after 4 years of Trump, than after 4 years of any other president, according to Gallup. I'd love to know what you think this poll means. That Trump broke that record during a pandemic, is shocking.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...go/ar-BB1a0Qbp

And did you ever comment on Bidens comment of not being black unless you support him?

Only Stupid I see is people's need to rationalizing things. when Speaking about Trump as if he was 2 different people? its all based on a cult of personality.. he made white people feel better . while attempting to destroy every democratic Norm along the way .. Lying as he did it . And if some of americans like his policies they were enough or he would still be President and even the electoral college couldn't save him

As for did you ever comment on Bidens comment of not being black unless you support him?

I am not black nor entitled to be offended

Joe Biden apologized hours after he told a popular African-American radio host that anyone struggling to decide whether to support him or President Donald Trump in the general election "ain't black."

And seem they accepted His Apology (they voted for him) not sure why you haven't accepted His apology ?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Only Stupid I see is people's need to rationalizing things. when Speaking about Trump as if he was 2 different people? its all based on a cult of personality.. he made white people feel better . while attempting to destroy every democratic Norm along the way .. Lying as he did it . And if some of americans like his policies they were enough or he would still be President and even the electoral college couldn't save him

As for did you ever comment on Bidens comment of not being black unless you support him?

I am not black nor entitled to be offended

Joe Biden apologized hours after he told a popular African-American radio host that anyone struggling to decide whether to support him or President Donald Trump in the general election "ain't black."

And seem they accepted His Apology (they voted for him) not sure why you haven't accepted His apology ?

you say i’m in a cult. no. it’s based on the gallup poll.

and you won’t comment on biden’s racist remarks, but you hold trump accountable for his mis deeds. you seriously don’t see that?
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

you say i’m in a cult.

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when are you meetings?...can I watch them on Zoom?.. and do you have a secret handshake?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Only Stupid I see is people's need to rationalizing things.

I am not black nor entitled to be offended

Joe Biden apologized hours after he told a popular African-American radio host that anyone struggling to decide whether to support him or President Donald Trump in the general election "ain't black."

And seem they accepted His Apology (they voted for him)

rationalizing perhaps...

[scottw]

good thing Trump/Bush/Bush isn't president...imagine the outrage...


"The last missile fired by the United States Military in the 20-year war in Afghanistan struck only an innocent Afghan man and his family in Kabul— not ISIS militants, the New York Times reported on Friday.

The blast killed ten members of the extended family of a civilian aid worker, Zemari Ahmadi, and three of his children, Zamir, 20, Faisal, 16, and Farzad, 10; Mr. Ahmadi’s cousin Naser, 30; three of Romal’s children, Arwin, 7, Benyamin, 6, and Hayat, 2; and two 3-year-old girls, Malika and Somaya.

A New York Times investigation looked at video evidence, along with interviews with more than a dozen of the Ahmadi ’s co-workers and family members in Kabul, and found zero evidence that the Biden Regime’s version of events was true."

[Pete F.]

By the way, not to take Trump’s idiotic posturing too seriously, but:

Trump was president.

If he thought the commanders in Afghanistan were doing a bad job, he could have removed them.

But of course he never cared a whit about the troops serving in Afghanistan, or elsewhere.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Just what is Sharia Law?
In Arabic, the term sharīʿah refers to God's immutable divine law and is contrasted with fiqh, which refers to its human scholarly interpretations.

The "contrast" is not a contradiction or separation from God's immutable divine law. It is not a separate law, it is scholarly and judicial interpretation of the divine law in order to apply it to existing conditions.

Do many white evangelical Christians believe the Bible is the ultimate law by which to govern? And that it supersedes any law written by Man.

I don't know which "many" Christians you refer to, but the New Testament part of the Bible is not concerned with government and its ways of governing. Christ said "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's." Islam, on the other hand, is a prescription for government and governing. Islam is both a religion and a form of government. It is theocracy.

If there was a conflict between God’s law and Man’s law, a Christian would be advised to keep God’s Law. It would be better to go to jail than to rot in Hell. — Truthinlove.com

But a Christian would not impose and enforce God's law on others, on non-believers. An Islamist who had the power, in a predominantly Muslim nation, would impose Islam on all those in the nation.



God said it. I believe it. That settles it.

Which God, Christian, Muslim, or yours?

In the Moral Majority’s founding treatise, they were very clear in their belief that God’s law trumps Man’s law, a Christian form of Sharia law. To them, it was imperative to highjack every means of forcing Man’s law to mirror God’s law with patience (they have been at this for over forty years), surgical political strategies (Citizens United, gerrymandering), and utter ruthlessness (encouraging conspiracy theories and sedition from the pulpit.)


This is why so many white evangelicals justify voting for Donald Trump. After almost forty years, their goal of making the United States a theocracy ruled by God’s law was within reach.

The Christian God's law trumping Man's law came over 600 years before Sharia law. It is not a form of Sharia law.

And the Evangelical sects, as well as Catholics and other Protestants, are not as societally exclusive as Seventh Day Adventists, Amish and others who do not participate in politics or don't even vote. So they have secular as well as religious participation in society. Though they may, like atheists or other religions, try to get legislation that they feel strongly about whether for religious or other personal preferences, they go through the legal process. Some might prefer a Christian theocracy, but that would go against the reasons they broke away from the Catholicism that was so deeply affiliated with government before the Reformation. And even before that Reformation, there was no substantial Christian theocracy. The Pope had great influence, but the Monarchs had the last word, if they chose to express it and enforce it.

I doubt that there is any significant desire in the Evangelicals to transform America into a Theocracy. But it's politically effective to make them bogymen.

Because of Mitch McConnell’s block of judicial confirmations in the United States Senate, federal judicial benches around the country sat vacant. With a transactionally conservative President, a takeover of the liberal federal judiciary was within reach, not only to overturn Roe v Wade, but to enact a raft of Bible-based nationwide legislation. Trump further validated evangelical Christians by elevating one to vice-president; he never questioned their candidates for federal judicial appointments; and he paid lip service to their importance.

Do you think Pence wants to make us a Theocracy? Do you think it's appropriate to question judicial candidates about their religious views or their political views? Do you think appointing judges by race is appropriate. Is it appropriate to appoint judges according to their party affiliation?

Wouldn't the only important question be their fidelity to the Constitution?

[Got Stripers]

This has always been a messy war with civilian casualties, it’s unavoidable when the enemy fights in and among the civilian population.

[scottw]

^^^ you guys are hilarious

[scottw]

wait...what???...he must be watching too much FOX News

'Fatally flawed': Top Senate Democrat blasts Biden administration's Afghanistan withdrawal
Deirdre Shesgreen


USA TODAYWASHINGTON – A top Senate Democrat on Tuesday blasted the Biden administration's handling of the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan as "fatally flawed" and threatened to subpoena Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin if he doesn't agree to testify "in the near future."

The sharp rebuke from Sen. Bob Menendez, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, came as Secretary of State Antony Blinken faced a second day of intense questioning by lawmakers furious over the chaotic U.S. exit from Afghanistan.

"The execution of the U.S. withdrawal was clearly and fatally flawed," Menendez, D-N.J., told Blinken in opening remarks. "This committee expects to receive a full explanation of the administration's decisions on Afghanistan since coming into office last January. There has to be accountability.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by scottw

wait...what???...he must be watching too much FOX News

'Fatally flawed': Top Senate Democrat blasts Biden administration's Afghanistan withdrawal
Deirdre Shesgreen


USA TODAYWASHINGTON – A top Senate Democrat on Tuesday blasted the Biden administration's handling of the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan as "fatally flawed" and threatened to subpoena Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin if he doesn't agree to testify "in the near future."

The sharp rebuke from Sen. Bob Menendez, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, came as Secretary of State Antony Blinken faced a second day of intense questioning by lawmakers furious over the chaotic U.S. exit from Afghanistan.

"The execution of the U.S. withdrawal was clearly and fatally flawed," Menendez, D-N.J., told Blinken in opening remarks. "This committee expects to receive a full explanation of the administration's decisions on Afghanistan since coming into office last January. There has to be accountability.

OMG thank you captain obvious, we never would have realized there might be those in our party that see things differently, thank god you are on the case. Love to hear the plan Trump had to execute this withdrawal after pulling so many troops out ahead of the deadline, putting a major burden on the remaining couple thousand, even if the Afghans didn’t roll over and turn over the keys to every city they were there to defend. Oh wait it’s on the record Trump had no plan.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

OMG thank you captain obvious, we never would have realized there might be those in our party that see things differently, thank god you are on the case. Love to hear the plan Trump had to execute this withdrawal after pulling so many troops out ahead of the deadline, putting a major burden on the remaining couple thousand, even if the Afghans didn’t roll over and turn over the keys to every city they were there to defend. Oh wait it’s on the record Trump had no plan.

^^^I feel like this was written by a delusional nut...maybe that's a "captain obvious observation" as well

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

This has always been a messy war with civilian casualties, it’s unavoidable when the enemy fights in and among the civilian population.

Too bad lefties don't give Israel the same benefit of the doubt in the same exact situation.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Too bad lefties don't give Israel the same benefit of the doubt in the same exact situation.

We do but they do it at a greater scale. Israel kills 213 Palestinians in airstrikes; Palestinian militant groups kill 12 Israelis with rocket attacks .. You assume Israel’s and hamas care if civilians get killed

I think it benefits both of their narratives.. as sad as that is
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

We do but they do it at a greater scale. Israel kills 213 Palestinians in airstrikes; Palestinian militant groups kill 12 Israelis with rocket attacks .. You assume Israel’s and hamas care if civilians get killed

I think it benefits both of their narratives.. as sad as that is
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maybe you do. but democrats as a group do not.

if i said 2+2=4, would you say no it doesn’t? i wonder sometimes.

i do assume Israel cares because why else would they warn civilians to try to separate themselves from terrorists.

And i assume hamas doesn’t care, because they intentionally target israeli citizens.

are you serious? Israel is shooosed to respond exactly proportionately when attacked?

Is Hamas laid down their arms, so would Israel. If Israel laid down their arms, Hamas would kill every single Israeli man, woman, and child.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

maybe you do. but democrats as a group do not.

if i said 2+2=4, would you say no it doesn’t? i wonder sometimes.

i do assume Israel cares because why else would they warn civilians to try to separate themselves from terrorists.

And i assume hamas doesn’t care, because they intentionally target israeli citizens.

are you serious? Israel is shooosed to respond exactly proportionately when attacked?

Is Hamas laid down their arms, so would Israel. If Israel laid down their arms, Hamas would kill every single Israeli man, woman, and child.
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JERUSALEM — Twenty-seven days before the first rocket was fired from Gaza this week, a squad of Israeli police officers entered the Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem, brushed the Palestinian attendants aside and strode across its vast limestone courtyard. Then they cut the cables to the loudspeakers that broadcast prayers to the faithful from four medieval minarets.

It was the night of April 13, the first day of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan. It was also Memorial Day in Israel, which honors those who died fighting for the country. The Israeli president was delivering a speech at the Western Wall, a sacred Jewish site that lies below the mosque, and Israeli officials were concerned that the prayers would drown it out.

The incident was confirmed by six mosque officials, three of whom witnessed it; the Israeli police declined to comment. In the outside world, it barely registered.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

maybe you do. but democrats as a group do not.

if i said 2+2=4, would you say no it doesn’t? i wonder sometimes.

i do assume Israel cares because why else would they warn civilians to try to separate themselves from terrorists.

And i assume hamas doesn’t care, because they intentionally target israeli citizens.

are you serious? Israel is shooosed to respond exactly proportionately when attacked?

Is Hamas laid down their arms, so would Israel. If Israel laid down their arms, Hamas would kill every single Israeli man, woman, and child.
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Jim neither Hamas nor Israel would exist with out the fear of destruction

Both use fear of the other to justify their methods. From building settlements to firing rockets

I look at like positional asphyxia

Israel has it knee on the Palestinians cutting of their air and in response they increase their struggles trying to breath , then Israel apply s more force to gain compliance and all they get it. More struggling

And round and round it Goes


As for you question are you serious? Israel is shooosed to respond exactly proportionately when attacked? Quick response is yes In most incidents you use enough force to stop the threat. Not to punish.. but Israel has a history of collective punishment.. which always comes into question when there so much infrastructure destroyed.. cell phone and civilian warnings look good for public relations not sure how effective it is at keeping non combatants safe
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[Pete F.]

I have yet to see any viable alternative to what happened in Afghanistan. Unless remobilizing a large number of troops and reengaging with the Taliban was what was good for America.
We’re out, it’s over, never had a chance of being perfect since we failed to pull out in 2002.
2996 died on 9/11
Over 170,000 Afghans have been killed in the war in Afghanistan, do you think the majority of Afghans want it to continue?
Don’t forget that every perpetrator of 9/11 was a Saudi.

Here’s a few other things people said

“For all those trashing Biden for the messy withdrawal from Afghanistan, this is your reminder Trump signed an order after the election to do the withdrawal by January 15, 2021. You want to talk about chaos and people left behind?”
“If anybody believes that the previous administration would’ve evacuated any Afghans to the US much less tens of thousands as President Biden did, I would suggest they ask the Kurds their opinion of that”
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I have yet to see....

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probably...blinders

[wdmso]

Pentagon Reverses Itself And Now Says A Deadly Kabul Drone Strike Was An Error … shocking Biden’s admin admit such a mistake but yet they Did

Shocking
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[Pete F.]

When your land and property are stolen, what would you suggest the Palestinians do?

The international community considers the establishment of Israeli settlements in the Israeli-occupied territories illegal on one of two bases: that they are in violation of Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, or that they are in breach of international declarations.[a][b][c][d][e] The United Nations Security Council, the United Nations General Assembly, the International Committee of the Red Cross, the International Court of Justice and the High Contracting Parties to the Convention have all affirmed that the Fourth Geneva Convention applies to Israeli settlements.[f][g]

Numerous UN resolutions and prevailing international opinion hold that Israeli settlements in the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights are a violation of international law, including UN Security Council resolutions in 1979, 1980,[8][9][10] and 2016.[11][12] UN Security Council Resolution 446 refers to the Fourth Geneva Convention as the applicable international legal instrument, and calls upon Israel to desist from transferring its own population into the territories or changing their demographic makeup. 126 Representatives at the reconvened Conference of the High Contracting Parties to the Geneva Conventions in 2014 declared the settlements illegal[13] as has the primary judicial organ of the UN, the International Court of Justice[14] and the International Committee of the Red Cross.
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[Pete F.]

Israel’s actions are far closer to those of South Africa than Nazi Germany.
Apartheid Law
The Race Classification Act. Every citizen suspected of not being European was classified according to race.
The Mixed Marriages Act. It prohibited marriage between people of different races.
The Group Areas Act. It forced people of certain races into living in designated areas.
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[Pete F.]

When the far right does a 180 they identify as Trumplicans

Morals don't count
"As a relatively young man, I remember a time in this great nation when those endowed with public trust and those that were elected to public office were held to a higher standard." R. Aderholt

We are the same as Russia
"To say that we and the Soviet Union are to be compared is the equivalent of saying that the man who pushes the old lady into the way of an oncoming bus and the man who pushes [her] out of the way … are both people who push old ladies around." Wm. Buckley

TFG promised he would eliminate the nation’s debt in eight years.
When he took office in January 2017, the national debt stood at $19.9 trillion. In October 2020, the national debt reached a new high of $27 trillion. That's an increase of almost 36% in less than four years.

“I want you to use my words against me. If there’s a Republican president in 2016 and a vacancy occurs in the last year of the first term, you can say Lindsey Graham said let’s let the next president, whoever it might be, make that nomination,”
Hmmm

"Donald, you're a sniveling coward and leave [my wife] the hell alone!" T. Cruz
Cucked

I could quote paragraphs on January 6th


But we will see, the mobs will always turn on their own and their movements inevitably collapse. It's just a matter of how much damage they do in the meantime.