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06-13-2012, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by RIJIMMY
and that law was something the URI girls were not to worried about back in my heyday.....
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Really? they had strap-ons back then? good for you....
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Bryan
Originally Posted by #^^^^^^^^^^^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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06-13-2012, 03:19 PM
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Old Guy
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Don't have a debate on Yom Kippur
Move Bunker Hill Day to not fall on Father's Day
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06-13-2012, 03:40 PM
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I just drove by a big sign banning loud motorcycles... town ordnance... I guess that infringes on my right to be a loud #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&....
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Bryan
Originally Posted by #^^^^^^^^^^^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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06-13-2012, 05:43 PM
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Who determines what are "offensive words"?
Is "God Damned" offensive?
Is "Nazi" or Communist" offensive.
Is calling someone "liberal" or "conservative" offensive.
Who determines all this?
Bang your thumb with a hammer and say "Oh that F'in hurt" gets you a ticket.
Why is one term used to describe sex a capital sin but 10 other words to describe the same act are OK?
This law and others like it are just one more nail in the coffin of Freedom.
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Saltheart
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06-13-2012, 08:25 PM
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Registered Grandpa
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Originally Posted by Saltheart
This law and others like it are just one more nail in the coffin of Freedom.
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Yes, it's gotten to the point where the Govt has taken over the family roll to
the enth degree by now teaching the words people should or shouldn't say.
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" Choose Life "
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06-14-2012, 05:55 AM
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lobster = striper bait
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Originally Posted by Saltheart
This law and others like it are just one more nail in the coffin of Freedom.
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The real nail in the coffin of freedom is in this day and age of ability to gather information at the rate we can people pissing and moaning AFTER THE FACT when laws are passed.
This vote wasn't a secret, it was on the agenda.
The only people to blame, in the case of being against this law, are the people of the town for being lazy.
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Ski Quicks Hole
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06-14-2012, 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by likwid
The only people to blame, in the case of being against this law, are the people of the town for being lazy.
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"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
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06-13-2012, 07:00 PM
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Quick question, is there actually a list of words that can't be said? Like which ones are ok and which ones are not?
Douchebag is now on every TV show and radio show, not something I would say around kids or loud in public. Did the town provide a list of words?
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"I know a taxidermy man back home. He gonna have a heart attack when he see what I brung him!"
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06-13-2012, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Piscator
Quick question, is there actually a list of words that can't be said? Like which ones are ok and which ones are not?
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No. Enforcement is "at the discretion of police officers."
This "law" is so asinine, an editorial about it is the showcased article on the front page of CNN.
Ban swearing? No way - CNN.com
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06-14-2012, 07:47 AM
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06-14-2012, 09:53 AM
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"The tulips violate landscape regulations."
No Govt. micro managed regulations here, move on.
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" Choose Life "
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06-14-2012, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by justplugit
"The tulips violate landscape regulations."
No Govt. micro managed regulations here, move on.
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Owning any property in Middleboro is like being part of a town-wide Homeowners Association.
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06-14-2012, 11:04 AM
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Middleboro has become the laughing stock of the whole world!
ANYONE have the majors email address?
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06-14-2012, 12:36 PM
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Can you make a citizens arrest if you hear someone swearing?
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06-14-2012, 01:01 PM
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Just to give it some context... it sounds like this guy should have done some more careful planning all around before spending as much as he did.... it is not always better to seek forgivness than ask permission....
"Building Commissioner Robert J. Whalen cited the business because a building is too close to the property line, the parking lot is too close to Auburn Street, the tulips violate landscape regulations and he lacked a permit to do work near a wetland.
Whalen declined to comment on the alleged violations.
High said he is not planning to move the building and said there was a mix-up with the Conservation Commission on the wetland permit.
He said he has 1,400 more tulip bulbs on order and fears he might be stuck planting them elsewhere because zoning requires “natural vegetation.”
On zoning enforcement, he said, “there are different standards for everyone in the immediate area. Yet I’m being found in violation when all I’m doing is improvement,” High said.
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Bryan
Originally Posted by #^^^^^^^^^^^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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06-14-2012, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND
Just to give it some context... it sounds like this guy should have done some more careful planning all around before spending as much as he did.... it is not always better to seek forgivness than ask permission....
"Building Commissioner Robert J. Whalen cited the business because a building is too close to the property line, the parking lot is too close to Auburn Street, the tulips violate landscape regulations and he lacked a permit to do work near a wetland.
Whalen declined to comment on the alleged violations.
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All of which just re-enforces that this is just an over-bearing government, like justplugit said.
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06-14-2012, 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND
He said he has 1,400 more tulip bulbs on order and fears he might be stuck planting them elsewhere because zoning requires “natural vegetation.”
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I'd cancel the tulip order and plant skunk cabbage as a " natural vegetation" plant.
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" Choose Life "
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06-14-2012, 02:11 PM
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Because we have building requirements regarding property lines, wetlands and native vegetation (likely b/c he was near a wetland)...?
right.
build whatever you want, whereever you want... it's in the constitution! personally, I like that there are regulations that says my neighbor can't knock his house down and build a giant house within 2 inches of his property line, while filling a wetland just because he wants to, chose to ignore or was ignorant of the regulations.
Seriously, mark it down, I agree with JimCT.... this is local ordanaces... don't like it? Move, or get a petition to change it. run for government.
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Bryan
Originally Posted by #^^^^^^^^^^^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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06-14-2012, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND
Because we have building requirements regarding property lines, wetlands and native vegetation (likely b/c he was near a wetland)...?
right.
build whatever you want, whereever you want... it's in the constitution! personally, I like that there are regulations that says my neighbor can't knock his house down and build a giant house within 2 inches of his property line, while filling a wetland just because he wants to, chose to ignore or was ignorant of the regulations.
Seriously, mark it down, I agree with JimCT.... this is local ordanaces... don't like it? Move, or get a petition to change it. run for government.
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For starters, trying to rate this to Constitutionality is completely invalid, just as FB's attempt at relating the restrictions of minors buying pornos.
A couple things... correct me if I'm reading the article wrong, but it appears that the buildings were all there when he bought the property. Also, he did "$1 million in hazardous waste cleanup", beautified a wasteland, is composting municipal yard waste.
Note that Ron High lives in Duxbury, as opposed to Middleboro. Just because he's been cited for violations doesn't mean the citations were appropriately applied. The end of the article demonstrates that all of this was probably triggered by a NIMBY mentality and someone with pull made some calls.
Don't get me wrong, some regulations are certainly needed for safety and environmental protection. But this whole situation stinks of "our foot is in the door, now let's see how much we can screw him." I think this is emphasized by:
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06-14-2012, 02:56 PM
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lobster = striper bait
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Tulips are stupid, I'm going to sue him for planting a stupid plant.
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06-14-2012, 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyD
Note that Ron High lives in Duxbury, as opposed to Middleboro. Just because he's been cited for violations doesn't mean the citations were appropriately applied. The end of the article demonstrates that all of this was probably triggered by a NIMBY mentality and someone with pull made some calls.
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I don't know what he built and what he redid, but typically a 50% or more improvement triggers all the new construction codes... if it were me, and I was laying out a Mil, I'd be damn sure I had my ducks in a row...
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Bryan
Originally Posted by #^^^^^^^^^^^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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06-14-2012, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND
Because we have building requirements regarding property lines, wetlands and native vegetation (likely b/c he was near a wetland)...?
right.
build whatever you want, whereever you want... it's in the constitution! personally, I like that there are regulations that says my neighbor can't knock his house down and build a giant house within 2 inches of his property line, while filling a wetland just because he wants to, chose to ignore or was ignorant of the regulations.
Seriously, mark it down, I agree with JimCT.... this is local ordanaces... don't like it? Move, or get a petition to change it. run for government.
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Or file for a variance with the board of appeals.It is part of the process.
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06-14-2012, 03:12 PM
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It's kind of ironic that a guy with no children thinks that people should be allowed to use whatever offensive language they want around them, and even though he's not a property owner, he knows what building ordinances should be. That's pretty funny.
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06-14-2012, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by fishbones
It's kind of ironic that a guy with no children thinks that people should be allowed to use whatever offensive language they want around them, and even though he's not a property owner, he knows what building ordinances should be. That's pretty funny.
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See, there you go putting words in my mouth again. If you knew how to read, you would have seen:
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Your combining two different things. Not once have I said swearing in front of children is acceptable. It's not. Hell, I typically don't swear in front of women. What I'm saying is that just because it's unacceptable, doesn't mean that Big Brother should be regulating it.
Legally acceptable and socially acceptable are two completely different things - Big Brother should be involved in the former and not at all in the latter.
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Same as owning a fishing rod doesn't make a person a fisherman, just because you own a house and have kids doesn't automatically make you an authority on the subjects. There are plenty of neglectful parents and pitiful homeowners out there. But you feel free to continue twisting reality to fit your weak argument.
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06-14-2012, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyD
But you feel free to continue twisting reality to fit your weak argument.
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You're funny, JD. I wasn't making an argument. I was just saying you sounded stupid. It's an opinion, not an argument. I'd put a smiley here but I can't from my phone, so don't get your panties in a knot.
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06-14-2012, 05:21 PM
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It doesn't matter because when the inspector told him he couldn't have Tulips he responded by saying..... Damn , I should have planted more F'in Roses instead. Now he's been sentenced to life in prison for breaking the zoning ordinance and swearing about it .
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06-14-2012, 06:08 PM
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When it comes to wetlands and vegetation there are certain plants that are essential to protect the ecosystem and wetland and tulips are not on the list.
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