No gun problem in the US

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

I feel terrible for all affected by this. My “Whatever” is for the usual running to the internet/social media about it and trying to assign blame to anything and everything, except the guy that pulled the trigger.

They’ll parrot that we need “Common Sense” gun laws and yet not offer anything that would have prevented that days tragedy.

You’ll whine like a little beyotch and blame the GOP because that’s all you ever do. Pete will sooner or later insert Trump into the conversation, because that’s all he ever does.

Detbuch will try to have a rational discussion but give up after GS calls him a crappie fisherman and Pete, as mentioned above, will insert Trump into the conversation and try his best to derail the conversation.

Jim will offer up that it’s all the democrats fault and keep bringing up Chicago, he’ll inevitably say something mean and Paul will call him a (insert adjective that means Not a nice person). Spence will wander in and tell Jim he’s wrong and disappear.

The dialog will go nowhere for 3-4 days and then fade. Until the next one.

Rinse and Repeat.

Like I said “Whatever”
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Yeah, nothing can be done.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Yeah, nothing can be done.

one party controls the white house and both chambers of congress. If there’s any low hanging fruit that will help, what are they waiting for?

there’s many pieces to this. We need to at least try something different with guns, though that’s unlikely to make
much of a dent. the guns are out there, untold millions of them.

our mental illness infastructire isn’t working, and that will get worse with each generation spends more time online and less time connecting with people in meaningful ways.

we need more close knit families teaching their kids why empathy is important. we’re getting further and further away from that every day.

it’s not just guns. it’s us.

biden sure was mad that we aren’t doing anything. Since he’s apparently not in a position to do anything, maybe he should write a letter to his congressman.
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[JohnR]

With all the money we are printing might as well beef up school security, THAT might help, except we are fashionably defunding police and security). With all the illegal guns, we should surely crack down on legal owners. And Ghost guns, you can get those past airport screening because they are really easy to make and have not metal parts.


A lot of these young shooters have mental health issues and have been stirring up crap in their past. What is the solution on that?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnR

With all the money we are printing might as well beef up school security, THAT might help, except we are fashionably defunding police and security). With all the illegal guns, we should surely crack down on legal owners. And Ghost guns, you can get those past airport screening because they are really easy to make and have not metal parts.


A lot of these young shooters have mental health issues and have been stirring up crap in their past. What is the solution on that?

it’s reported, as you said, that his social media stuff was pretty disturbing.

not sure how we round up everyone who expresses dark-ish fantasies on the internet.

school security might have more impact than anything else we can discuss, until we fix what’s broke about us. and i see that getting worse not better. our collective moral compass is just out of balance.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

one party controls the white house and both chambers of congress. If there’s any low hanging fruit that will help, what are they waiting for?

there’s many pieces to this. We need to at least try something different with guns, though that’s unlikely to make
much of a dent. the guns are out there, untold millions of them.

our mental illness infastructire isn’t working, and that will get worse with each generation spends more time online and less time connecting with people in meaningful ways.

we need more close knit families teaching their kids why empathy is important. we’re getting further and further away from that every day.

it’s not just guns. it’s us.

biden sure was mad that we aren’t doing anything. Since he’s apparently not in a position to do anything, maybe he should write a letter to his congressman.
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Look at Killingly CT. They could have had a cost free mental health center at the high school but the board of Ed said no because of politics:





The controversial decision has been mired in politics. Those opposed to the mental health center have raised complaints and references more commonly heard from the political right: cancel culture, Hillary Clinton, abortion, gender identity. Some wonder if schools are the best place for mental health care.

Norm Ferron, who was elected the new chairman during the board’s April 13 meeting, said he voted against the school mental health center because he was concerned that kids might get counseling about “controversial topics.”

“Basically, what is a stranger to the parents can be advising their child on any issue,” he said. “They might be giving them counseling directly opposed to the views of the parents.”

The Killingly Board of Education is used to controversy. In recent months, it voted down a proposal to host a vaccine clinic at the school and rescinded the district’s mask policy with language that makes it harder to bring back. Many members ran on the promise that they would reinstate the school’s controversial mascot, the Redmen, which they did in 2020.


Let's not forget that Abbott also said that he was embarrassed that TX was only #2 in gun ownership.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Look at Killingly CT. They could have had a cost free mental health center at the high school but the board of Ed said no because of politics:





The controversial decision has been mired in politics. Those opposed to the mental health center have raised complaints and references more commonly heard from the political right: cancel culture, Hillary Clinton, abortion, gender identity. Some wonder if schools are the best place for mental health care.

Norm Ferron, who was elected the new chairman during the board’s April 13 meeting, said he voted against the school mental health center because he was concerned that kids might get counseling about “controversial topics.”

“Basically, what is a stranger to the parents can be advising their child on any issue,” he said. “They might be giving them counseling directly opposed to the views of the parents.”

The Killingly Board of Education is used to controversy. In recent months, it voted down a proposal to host a vaccine clinic at the school and rescinded the district’s mask policy with language that makes it harder to bring back. Many members ran on the promise that they would reinstate the school’s controversial mascot, the Redmen, which they did in 2020.


Let's not forget that Abbott also said that he was embarrassed that TX was only #2 in gun ownership.

One example of many. I could fill the internet with examples of liberals wanting to make it harder to commit the mentally ill. And many examples of liberals saying the nuclear family is anachronistic.

Both sides contribute to this Paul. I have no idea what happened in Killingly, and I also know there's no such thing as free, particularly when it comes to public education. I'd like to see a teachers union in this state agreeing to do anything for free. And I lived there, I know what I'm talking about.

Paul, if the GOP is all that's stopping us from solving this, please explain why the democrats controlling the white house and both chambers of Congress, haven't proposed a single thing in 18 months that would effect this? What's stopping them?

The GOP needs to be more flexible on guns, that's one part of this, probably a small part. The left needs to concede the benefits of the traditional nuclear family and old-fashioned family values (guns were available in the 1950s, but this stuff didn't happen like we see today, because our culture then was superior in some ways) and start encouraging it, rather than constantly attacking it. How many murderers come from families with a mom and a dad and a golden retriever in the house, where they go to church on Sundays, eat supper together most nights, and get involved in scouting and camping and fishing and all those healthy activities? I'd bet very, very few. So why not encourage those tings, rather than attack them constantly?

Blame all around.