The 2024 candidates speak

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

The my pillow guy would be an idiotic choice for head of RNC. your MAGA friends would disagree

Trump is a jerk who makes all kinds of mistakes. excuses so dining with a white supremacist is just a mistake

If counties fail to certify elections be deadlines, let's look into why, and fix it. more excuses they refused because their republicans claiming fraud

There. I addressed every single point you claimed I was silent on. Now show me the same courtesy and answer this question...

no really jim you just threw out some BS answers ... if any of those topics bothered you their would have been 3 paragraphs telling us about it

by what logic does your kid have more of a right to my tax dollars to pay off her student loans, than my kids have a right to my tax dollars to send them to the best school

it's very easy JIM once you pay your taxes it's not your money anymore .. why is that a hard concept to understand , what's next you disagree with Military spending and you want your % of tax back or I don't own a car so give me my highway and roads % back declaring its my tax Money it's a fantasy that once you pay it's still somehow yours

student loan relief is no different than PPP loans .. its giving taxpayer money to others ... funny I never complained about it you never complained about it ... but once you were told to be outraged about the student loan issue you and the rest of the conservative world had a meltdown and we all know why Because it wasn't a republican who is attempting to do something for the average American

But giving billions in tax cut and free money to Businesses whether they needed it or not . you and republicans remained silent and took the money

And if school choice for poor inner city black and minorities to have a better education is the actual goal of school choice . then why should it apply outside underperforming school districts ..

we all know the answer because it's about conservatives wanting to use public funds to send their children to religious schools .. just a wolf in sheep's clothing

wayne, we all benefit from roads and the military. Only your daughter benefits from going to college. that’s on her.

here’s an idea. when you take out a loan, you pay it back.

Crazy, i know.

Why is it ok for lu kid tax dollars to go to pay for your daughters college education, but not my kids private high school? Why do you have more of a right to those tax dollars

If my kids leave the public school, that helps the public school. Smaller class sizes, more money to spend on fewer kids. That’s a benefit to society.

Paying your kids student loan benefits you, no one else.

If your issue is that it’s public money, then give me a tax credit i stead of cutting me a check. Are you ok with school choice now?

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by wdmso

we all know the answer because it's about conservatives wanting to use public funds to send their children to religious schools .. just a wolf in sheep's clothing

Again, in regards to your “Separation of Curch and State” comment

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

So I take it then that there should be no federal grant money or student loan forgiveness for students who attended BYU, Wake Forest, Boston College, Notre Dame or any other private religious schools?
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Again, in regards to your “Separation of Curch and State” comment


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I would say all those schools are listed have a religious component but they are not tied or funded directly by the church and you can go to those schools regardless of your religious beliefs unlike on the local level if you’re a Muslim, I don’t think you’re going to get into the local Catholic Protestant or Jewish private school, which are funded and owned by local diocese

Unlike the schools you listed, you can be of a different religious denomination and still apply and gain admission so I would think federal monies could be excepted not violating the separation of church and state

Because those properties are not owned and operated by the church or churches or masjid or synagogue

But that’s only my opinion
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[Jim in CT]

wayne i had no idea who Nick Fuentes was i til this story and neither did you.

Kanye and fuentes were at some
huge event that trump
was also at . According to Fuentes, Kanye asked if he and Fuentes could sit at Trumps table. Trump said ok. Fuentes said it was clear Trump didn’t i ow anything about him.

What a scandal. Trump didn’t do a full background check before agreeing to sit with a guy he probably had never heard of.

Will Trump ever be indicted? How much energy has been spent smearing him, attacking him, investigating him. Please find a way to actually get him for something? or is the point merely to smear him so he can’t win another election? it’s been 6 years of non stop accusations.

every democrat presidential candidate in my lifetime has kissed all sharptons ring. Sharpton has actually killed people with his bile. But it’s no concern that he’s a big shot on the left. is he not a racist and a bigot?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

wayne i had no idea who Nick Fuentes was i til this story and neither did you.

Kanye and fuentes were at some
huge event that trump
was also at . According to Fuentes, Kanye asked if he and Fuentes could sit at Trumps table. Trump said ok. Fuentes said it was clear Trump didn’t i ow anything about him.

What a scandal. Trump didn’t do a full background check before agreeing to sit with a guy he probably had never heard of.

Will Trump ever be indicted? How much energy has been spent smearing him, attacking him, investigating him. Please find a way to actually get him for something? or is the point merely to smear him so he can’t win another election? it’s been 6 years of non stop accusations.

every democrat presidential candidate in my lifetime has kissed all sharptons ring. Sharpton has actually killed people with his bile. But it’s no concern that he’s a big shot on the left. is he not a racist and a bigot?

Predictable

This is just the stages of right wing acceptance
"Trump didn't do it: he was set up"
"He did it, but it wasn't illegal"
"It may have been, illegal, but so what? Not like he killed anyone "
"We're proud he did it because (insert Hunter, Hillary, Obama deflection.")

I don’t think you could overstate how completely Obama broke Jims mind. The fact that a black man was the most powerful person in the world for eight years and was popular and largely successful absolutely destroyed white power mythology and psychology and was the apocalypse for poor victims
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

wayne i had no idea who Nick Fuentes was i til this story and neither did you.

Kanye and fuentes were at some
huge event that trump
was also at . According to Fuentes, Kanye asked if he and Fuentes could sit at Trumps table. Trump said ok. Fuentes said it was clear Trump didn’t i ow anything about him.

What a scandal. Trump didn’t do a full background check before agreeing to sit with a guy he probably had never heard of.

Will Trump ever be indicted? How much energy has been spent smearing him, attacking him, investigating him. Please find a way to actually get him for something? or is the point merely to smear him so he can’t win another election? it’s been 6 years of non stop accusations.

every democrat presidential candidate in my lifetime has kissed all sharptons ring. Sharpton has actually killed people with his bile. But it’s no concern that he’s a big shot on the left. is he not a racist and a bigot?

So Jim do you actually think that the guy who’s a former Potus and announced he is Running again who has a staff and a secret service detachment 24x7. Just allows anyone to just show up? And say. Hello really?



A simple google search shows who this guy was. Trumps people know this guy is ..

But not you your convinced Trump had no idea.. but you have no issues suggesting Paul Pelosi knew his attacker .. that’s some twisted rationale you have
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[wdmso]

Sharpton has actually killed people with his bile.

Seek help Jim I guess you missed 4years of Trumps bile. Oh wait I am positive you support his bile. Why else would you defend him endlessly
Seeing you feel he is a victim and people keep

smearing him, attacking him, investigating him.

That usually happens to Scumbags their like onions there’s layer after layer of deceit, lies, half truths, questionable business practices. The list is endless and not made up.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Sharpton has actually killed people with his bile.

Seek help Jim I guess you missed 4years of Trumps bile. Oh wait I am positive you support his bile. Why else would you defend him endlessly
Seeing you feel he is a victim and people keep

smearing him, attacking him, investigating him.

That usually happens to Scumbags their like onions there’s layer after layer of deceit, lies, half truths, questionable business practices. The list is endless and not made up.
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People were burned to death at a Sharpton hate rally. Yet he is revered on the left.

I've said 1,000 times Trump is a morally bankrupt person. But his policies helped the country. Two things can be true at the same time. Just because you're too simple-minded to grasp that, doesn't mean it isn't true.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Not Saint John’s University, Saint John’s Prep. A private middle/high school in Danvers MA.

They are pretty much the same as BC as far as affiliation.

Why is BC good, but SJP bad?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Why is BC good, but SJP bad?
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Because that indefensible position serves his agenda. That's the only reason why.

Of course whatever college his daughter went to, is suitable for public money to be diverted to him to help pay the cost.

Also, there are MANY private high schools that have no religious affiliation whatsoever. So what argument is there to no allow public money to help fund non-religious private schools? None.

Wayne, if your beef is with the religious component, you have zero standing to oppose school choice for private schools that are secular, which are everywhere.

[Jim in CT]

WDMSO, add to the list of things you don't understand, what "separation of church and state" means. It's very clear, what it means is that there is no official state religion. It does NOT mean that government and religion can never intersect. The nation was literally founded on religious principles.

Here's what that means to school choice. If the government said that public money can be used to fund catholic schools but not schools of other religions, THAT would be a violation of church and state. Letting people pick whatever religious school they wanted (or one of MANY private schools that have no religious affiliation) is not a violation of the separation of church and state.

Wrong again.

[Pete F.]

My favorite is you have people who go to an elected school board screaming they should have more of a say. Pulling their kids to go to a Catholic school. Where they're told the church runs this…..
We all know the church’s record with children.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

My favorite is you have people who go to an elected school board screaming they should have more of a say. Pulling their kids to go to a Catholic school. Where they're told the church runs this…..
We all know the church’s record with children.
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because there are are zero recorded instances of public school teachers abusing children. literally zero. in fact,,.there’s data to suggest kids are at much greater risk from teachers in public school than at risk to abuse by priests.

https://go2tutors.com/teachers-more-likely-abuse-kids/

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

because there are are zero recorded instances of public school teachers abusing children. literally zero. in fact,,.there’s data to suggest kids are at much greater risk from teachers in public school than at risk to abuse by priests.

https://go2tutors.com/teachers-more-likely-abuse-kids/

Well crafted article to confuse the reader. Can't draw any inference bc there are no footnotes and the writer tries to confuse the reader. Also the report was written in 2004 when the priest scandals where still coming to light.

The state report doesn't say it was from public school "teachers" yet the article claims "teachers". It also defines sexual misconduct much much broader than what would be considered illegal enough for a priest to get arrested so it is using a far lower bar and comparing apples to oranges. Says 1 in 10 will be subject to sexual "misconduct by an employee" yet later say only about 5% of sexual "abuse" is reported. Switching terms to confuse as misconduct is not abuse. A teacher would get in trouble for hugging a child (sexual misconduct) while a priest won't be arrested for that same action. Finally, there are many many more teachers than priests so need to compare on a per capita basis - again the article was written w/an agenda. Edit - any public school emp. who thinks someone did something inappropriate w/a child HAS to report that person or will be subject to firing at the least and prob. criminal charges - a person working in a parish is not subject to those requirements.


"Considering this, 10% (roughly 4.5 million children) of public school students have experienced some form of sexual misconduct by the time they graduate high school, yet of the 77.4 million Catholics in the United States, .01% reported claims of child sexual abuse (10,667 children). It has also been studied and concluded that about 4.4% of all clerics were known to sexually abuse children between 1946 and 2014, yet it is estimated that roughly 5% of men are pedophiles and those numbers do not even take into account the incidence of female sexual predators at all. These numbers make a harsh case against public school employees."

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

because there are are zero recorded instances of public school teachers abusing children. literally zero. in fact,,.there’s data to suggest kids are at much greater risk from teachers in public school than at risk to abuse by priests.

https://go2tutors.com/teachers-more-likely-abuse-kids/

Would your kids even tell you if they’d been abused?

In public education they are very aware of child abuse and have strong programs regarding it.

In the Catholic Church/school world just whom among the many clergy administrators decides how to cover it up this time?

Earlier this year, the Southern Baptist Convention acknowledged they spent years protecting over 700 ministers and church workers who were credibly accused of sexual abuse. I’m sure they found them all, didn’t they?

2nd largest Christian denomination in the U.S—and nobody is discussing it.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

In public education they are very aware of child abuse and have strong programs regarding it.


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Well if you say so, that's good enough for me!! Youve never been caught fabricating ANYTING.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Well if you say so, that's good enough for me!! Youve never been caught fabricating ANYTING.

Poor victim
Never mind the continual half truths you post and believe

What was the reason you claim to have gotten out of education?
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[PaulS]

a counter point article - prob. written by someone with the opposite agenda.

https://www.reddit.com/r/excatholic/...priests_thing/

The “teachers abuse more kids than priests” thing is bull#^&#^&#^&#^&
Sexual Abuse
Someone mentioned this here in another thread, and I was interested because literally today someone on Reddit had parroted this exact talking point to me. (One high-profile example: https://cathnews.co.nz/2011/04/08/se...-than-priests/ )

So I decided to look into it a little.

If you Google anything related to “teachers vs priests abuse” or similar words, you’ll get a bunch of articles by Catholic publications (or by Catholic opinion authors who are rephrasing statements put out by Catholic institutions). Even if you look closely at these pro-Catholic articles though the figures don’t add up:

No empirical data exists that suggests that Catholic clerics sexually abuse minors at a level higher than clerics from other religious traditions or from other groups of men who have ready access and power over children (e.g., school teachers, coaches).

(That’s from the first article that usually comes up when you Google the subject, https://www.psychologytoday.com/au/b...-abuse-fiction)

Which makes it look like the numbers are the same, except that he is referring to men, and over 75% of teachers in public schools are female. Obviously there are female abusers, but they are more rare than male ones, so statistically a public school is still safer.

Or this one:

”The physical sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/has-med...use-in-school/

Literally nothing given there to back that up, but even so, it doesn’t mention the fact that there are close to 200 times as many public school employees in the US as there are priests. Even if you are generous and narrow it down to teachers (discounting people like teacher’s aides and support staff who also have access to kids) the number is still around 100 to 1. So even if you are super generous with the numbers and take them at their word then it only comes up even, not 100 times worse like they’re implying.

Edit: I think they might have got the "100 times worse" number from the lady quoted in this article (https://www.edweek.org/leadership/se...inized/2004/03) who literally in the same article admits that her numbers are probably bull#^&#^&#^&#^&

Ms. Shakeshaft acknowledged that the accuracy of such comparisons might be thrown off by any number of factors, including undercounting of youngsters abused by priests. But that uncertainty only underscores the need for better research on the prevalence of sexual misconduct in the schools, she argued.

Most of the other stuff I found was just vague bull#^&#^&#^&#^&, more misleading stats (comparing actual reported clerical abuse rates to general estimates of “percentage of men who are predators”) and more whining about how unfairly they’d been treated by the media.

Anyway my point isn’t that teachers do not abuse kids (we need to be wary of predators in any field that allows access to children), just that Catholics are in love with this #^&#^&#^&#^&ing talking point even though it’s based on a bunch of misleading bull#^&#^&#^&#^&.

[Jim in CT]

Paul I make no claims to the validity of the data I provided. I assume it was published by a pro catholic advocate. My point was that sexual abuse is also a thing in public schools. Pete will never concede that because he's not interested in truth, only in serving The Narrative.

WDMSO said very explicitly that schools like Notre Dame High, our alma mater, are funded only by the church and that they don't let non-catholics attend.

I'm just trying to inject a tiny sliver of truth.

I'm Catholic, and I'm not in love with anything related to pedophilia. But I don't like it when the left only talks about abuse at the hands of priests. That's done to serve an agenda. And that's not defending the priests, lock them up for life. But let's also discuss abuse that happens at the hands of public school teachers, doctors, and other religions. If you follow the media, you'd assume it's only a Catholic problem. It's a larger societal problem.

My company writes a lot of professional liability insurance for hospitals, nursing homes, and public schools. Sex abuse claims are non-stop.

[PaulS]

every profession has issues w/abuse. The reason people have a huge problem with churches is that they hid it and claim to represent a higher authority and morals.

I am not Catholic (but am Christian) and while required to take religion class was never made to feel "less than" anyone in class. We all had to lead a prayer when it was our turn (can't remember if it was the beginning of the day or in religious class??) and I would either say the lord's prayer or give thanks for different things, etc. like I would do at a Thanksgiving meal.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

every profession has issues w/abuse. The reason people have a huge problem with churches is that they hid it and claim to represent a higher authority and morals.

I am not Catholic (but am Christian) and while required to take religion class was never made to feel "less than" anyone in class. We all had to lead a prayer when it was our turn (can't remember if it was the beginning of the day or in religious class??) and I would either say the lord's prayer or give thanks for different things, etc. like I would do at a Thanksgiving meal.

Agreed the church problem was twofold, the actual abuse (obviously) and also covering it up. No question those are both massive scandals which the church has to answer for. Did other religions, and other professions, NOT cover it up in the 1960s and 1970s like the Catholic church did? I don't know.

I'm glad you never felt ostracized for not being Catholic, while at catholic school. My son's school (ST Paul in Bristol) has a diverse group of students, including kids from the LGBTQ community.

Did you know that George Logan, who ran unsuccessfully for Congress in Connecticut's 5th congressional district, went to ND? Class of 1987. My brother is friendly with him.

[wdmso]

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Ron playing the woke card hard for hi 2024 run and his need to out Trump Trump to woo the far right primary voters

and of course other Red states have jumped on the bandwagon fighting a mythic battle with Taxpayers money and retirement funds LOL

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[wdmso]

Former president Donald Trump expressed solidarity with the mob that attacked the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, sending a video of support to a fundraising event Thursday night hosted by a group called the Patriot Freedom Project that is supporting families of those being prosecuted by the government.

But Jim’s upset about teachers and their union who the real threat towards His and Trumps and his supporters vision of America
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[Got Stripers]

When the GOP runs without an agenda, when the GOP runs unqualified extreme candidates, when the GOP can’t surf the expected red wave and their savior is having lunch with anti semitics and white supremacy leaders; while they completely underestimate how effective the Biden administration has been I wonder what their plan is for 24.

Jim and Faux News will of course set their course and have the answers. America first and praise for the likes of Putin and Hilter will serve them well with the Trump base, but most Americans I think aren’t to happy with the GOP party, they just don’t represent the majority of this country, but they have always been the party of minority rule.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

When the GOP runs without an agenda, when the GOP runs unqualified extreme candidates, when the GOP can’t surf the expected red wave and their savior is having lunch with anti semitics and white supremacy leaders; while they completely underestimate how effective the Biden administration has been I wonder what their plan is for 24.

Jim and Faux News will of course set their course and have the answers. America first and praise for the likes of Putin and Hilter will serve them well with the Trump base, but most Americans I think aren’t to happy with the GOP party, they just don’t represent the majority of this country, but they have always been the party of minority rule.

Unless it’s tax cuts the GOP calls any legislation bad ..

Seeing the haven’t passed or I should say had many bills signed by Republican presidents

But all bill are not created equal
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Jim and Faux News will of course set their course and have the answers. America first and praise for the likes of Putin and Hilter will serve them well with the Trump base, but most Americans I think aren’t to happy with the GOP party, they just don’t represent the majority of this country, but they have always been the party of minority.

Hitler? yes that’s me, i’m a nazi sympathizer, me who’s mom has the maiden name “Greenspun.”. bob, when you go to deranged dishonest extremes, you’re carrying a sign that says “i can’t respond to what he’s saying, so i’m going to make up gibberish and pretend he said things he never came close to saying.”

if the gop is a fringe party ( out of touch with a majority of americans) PLEASE explain why the gop has a healthy majority of state governorships and state legislatures. and has for years.

Please explain that. I’ll wait.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Hitler? yes that’s me, i’m a nazi sympathizer, me who’s mom has the maiden name “Greenspun.”. bob, when you go to deranged dishonest extremes, you’re carrying a sign that says “i can’t respond to what he’s saying, so i’m going to make up gibberish and pretend he said things he never came close to saying.”

if the gop is a fringe party ( out of touch with a majority of americans) PLEASE explain why the gop has a healthy majority of state governorships and state legislatures. and has for years.

Please explain that. I’ll wait.

I'm responding to the thread and I'm pretty sure Trump is a 24 candidate, so go unravel your panties and take a breath.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

I'm responding to the thread and I'm pretty sure Trump is a 24 candidate, so go unravel your panties and take a breath.

you responded dishonestly to the thread. The gop are nazi sympathizers? again, that’s what one says when one knows that can’t around to the actual issues.

https://www.quorum.us/data-driven-in...slatures-blog/

[Jim in CT]

bob i can’t attach pics with my phone. but you can google pics of biden being chummy with Al Sharpton, Harvey Weinstein, etc. how many would
it take before your day there’s a problem there?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

bob i can’t attach pics with my phone. but you can google pics of biden being chummy with Al Sharpton, Harvey Weinstein, etc. how many would
it take before your day there’s a problem there?

Six days after sexual harassment allegations were originally made against Harvey Weinstein, former Vice President Joe Biden expressed his disgust with the Hollywood executive and Democratic megadonor.

Since photos equal guilt