PETE!!!

[scottw]

"Hillary 2024"...Schiff would be a great running mate...

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

blah....blah...blah...suggests there is more — and worse — to come.

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you, the democrats and cnn and msnbc really need a new hobby...nobody cares

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

you, the democrats and cnn and msnbc really need a new hobby...nobody cares

If you read Gym Jordan’s message you would find the typical gaslighting.

It's probably a waste of time to point out that a) as much as we all love the Federalist Papers, they were a series of newspaper columns with the specific political purpose of ginning up support for a Constitution that hadn’t been ratified yet, and b) Hubbard v. Lowe was a case involving the constitutionality of the Cotton Futures Act and, as such, has no value in judging the constitutionality of how Mike Pence conducted the constitutional powers of his office. It’s like citing Marbury v. Madison while appealing a decision by your condo board. But chasing after everything Jim Jordan doesn’t know anything about is an exhausting pursuit.

What’s clear is that the committee investigating the events of January 6 has made it quite plain that Jordan was hip-deep in the parliamentary front of the general assault on the democratic process, and that, if this week is any indication, Chairman Thompson is a pretty deft hand at the drip-drip-drip school of persuasion for reluctant potential witnesses.

Keep claiming that it’s a nothing burger, it’s the Trumplicans only hope….
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

If you read Gym Jordan’s message you would find the typical gaslighting.

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let's see how many times you can repeat this word in one thread...I think pauls holds the record

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by scottw

let's see how many times you can repeat this word in one thread...I think pauls holds the record

Don't think I ever used that word.

It must suck being a snarky troll.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

it’s the Trumplicans only hope….

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only hope for what?

hey, it's been suggested in the past that some democrats could run for office from jail...could trump potentially do that if pete sticks the pin in the right part of the doll and trump goes down?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

only hope for what?

hey, it's been suggested in the past that some democrats could run for office from jail...could trump potentially do that if pete sticks the pin in the right part of the doll and trump goes down?

as of right now, the republicans have exactly half the senate, only 5(?) seats shy of a tie in the house, and a small majority of governorships and state legislatures.

every single poll says that if the midterms were today, the gop would
win in a rout.

yet he’s acting like the gop is on the fringe of extinction .

wicked smaht.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Now adding a period is doctoring

Gym Jordan suggested that GOP-controlled states anoint Trump electors “before those states were even called.”

This wasn't overturning the election. This was scrapping democracy before the votes were even counted.

The flurry of lawsuits to block production of documents suggests there is more — and worse — to come. They will all lose their subpoena challenges and the truth will come out. In the absence of a genuine privilege, “The public has a right to every man’s evidence.”
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I looked it up and was shocked to see what the doctoring was but then realized that is the R party these days. Sad.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Now adding a period is doctoring

Yes, it is. But he also did much more than adding a period. He chopped up the messages and excluded parts that made it look entirely different than it was. Representative Bishop fairly suggested that Schiff is the “Jussie Smollet of Congress,”

One of the lawmakers that the Federalist interviewed commented that "if it’s somehow seditious in this country to debate or share a law review article on Alexander Hamilton’s view on things, that’s not really a country I want to be a part of anymore.”

The Federalist pointed out some of Schiff's and his team's "long history of doctoring and fabricating evidence to show their political enemies in the worst possible light."

The left rails that Trump has been trying to overthrow the 2020 election, but overlooks Schiff's phony, lying, fabricating attempts to impeach Trump which were an attempt to overthrow the 2016 election.

[Pete F.]

The midterms are not today
Biden’s polls are rising
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Biden’s polls are rising

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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

Biden is a shoe-in.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The midterms are not today
Biden’s polls are rising
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then you have absolutely nothing to worry about.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

then you have absolutely nothing to worry about.
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This is true. Trump will have to run from jail. Which isn’t much different from Biden running from his basement and trump will have all of his supporters behind bars with him so he’ll still draw huge crowds. Biden will definitely be more lucid and spry in three more years and Kamala. Well……
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

This is true. Trump will have to run from jail. Which isn’t much different from Biden running from his basement and trump will have all of his supporters behind bars with him so he’ll still draw huge crowds. Biden will definitely be more lucid and spry in three more years and Kamala. Well……
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the GOP is completely screwed. And they deserve it, since they’re in the habit of denying federal aid to victims of disasters, they’re all white supremacists, and the GOP only cares about rich people, even though the democrat party is now the clear home of the wealthy, even Pete knows this.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

the GOP is completely screwed. And they deserve it, since they’re in the habit of denying federal aid to victims of disasters, they’re all white supremacists, and the GOP only cares about rich people, even though the democrat party is now the clear home of the wealthy, even Pete knows this.
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any inflation is imaginary and biden is a great president and the economy is the best ever...seriously.......

[Pete F.]

Amazing how Biden drove up prices of everything worldwide.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Amazing how Biden drove up prices of everything worldwide.

yup, that’s exactly what scott said!
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

yup, that’s exactly what scott said!
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And when our economy crashed due to the worldwide pandemic effects, Pete wasn't concerned about "worldwide" then. Then he put the blame on Trump.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by detbuch

And when our economy crashed due to the worldwide pandemic effects, Pete wasn't concerned about "worldwide" then. Then he put the blame on Trump.

Yup!
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by detbuch

And when our economy crashed due to the worldwide pandemic effects, Pete wasn't concerned about "worldwide" then. Then he put the blame on Trump.

pete, this is a decent point. the pandemic is a global event, but you blame trump for the pain it’s caused americans.

inflation is also a global event, and you say Biden isn’t responsible.

Care to explain the flip top? A cynical person would say all that matters to you is partisan politics, but I’m certain there’s a more fair logic behind your lack of consistency there.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

pete, this is a decent point. the pandemic is a global event, but you blame trump for the pain it’s caused americans.

inflation is also a global event, and you say Biden isn’t responsible.

Care to explain the flip top? A cynical person would say all that matters to you is partisan politics, but I’m certain there’s a more fair logic behind your lack of consistency there.
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I posted this more than a year ago, now there is more evidence of Trump's malfeasance and the effect on our Covid response.
Ask Chris Christie who he got covid from or read Mark Meadows book, plenty of witnesses and reports from people in the rooms.

Now we know Trump wanted to "play it down" when he heard the Coronavirus spread through the air and could kill upwards of 5% of people.

So he thought (wrongly) that 5% of people-- including "not just old people" would die from COVID. And what he decided to do about it?
"Play it down," Trump said of the virus.

So he decided to lie. And he decided to cover up that lie by publicly attacking anyone who disagreed. The CDC, HHS, Anthony Fauci.
I know we are used to lies. I know we are used to d#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g responsibility. I know we are used to incompetence, but something struck me as soon as I heard this.

His excuse: "I didn't want to panic people."

When you have a novel pandemic, before there is a vaccine, the only medicine there is is public reaction.

With a disease that spreads through the respiratory system, not telling them they could avoid catching the disease by taking simple precautions is psychopathic.
The man is a pyromaniac. He knew an invisible fire was coming here and he let the fire rage.

And the people around him knew he knew. And they too did nothing.
Its not like he had a plan for dealing with it while he denied something he knew. He let the fire rage all the time telling us it would be gone by April. 15 cases would become zero.

It spread through the air, but was "going to zero?" It killed people but was "like the flu?"
Trump's defenders like to say "It wouldn't have been any different under Obama." It would have been different under anyone but a madman.
Imagine a world under which the president holds a press conference in the first week in February. He tells people the virus is coming here. It spreads through the air. Its lethal.

Even if he screwed up everything else he screwed up, the world would be different.
People would have been prepared. They would have protected their families. We would have begun to study this. And we would have looked a lot like other countries in the world.
Think about it this way. If a corporation had knowledge that they had a product that killed people and said and did nothing, it could be considered negligent homicide. The CEO and the entire management team would be fired. Some would go to jail.
A movie would be made about the evil. It would win an academy award.

For Trump and team, it will have a news cycle of under 48 hours.

What else don't we know that he knows? What else is his team protecting him on? If he doesn't care about American lives-- soldiers with bounties or our health, what could we count on him to care about besides himself?
You can play table top exercises about what happens when a pandemic comes to our country 100 times with 100 scenarios and never play out the scenario where the president decides not to tell the country & his team backs him up.
Thankfully Republicans in Congress are loudly denouncing him.

OK, just kidding

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Amazing how Biden drove up prices of everything worldwide.

According to the Wharton School of Business at University of Pennsylvania ( not according to foxnews), when you look at inflation for the 35 developed nations, the USA is tied for highest inflation.

there isn’t a developed nation with higher inflation.

I’m sorry Pete, but both Trump and Biden contributed to that.

Are you familiar with the concept of supply, demand, and price?

When you drastically increase the supply of something ( like the supply of dollars), you run the risk of decreasing the value of that something.

Trump and Biden insanely increased the amount of money. The value of that money is now lower. It’s not rocket science.

The relationship of supply and price applies even when it’s not politically convenient for you.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/u-s-t...ebook%22%7D%7D
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I posted this more than a year ago, now there is more evidence of Trump's malfeasance and the effect on our Covid response.
Ask Chris Christie who he got covid from or read Mark Meadows book, plenty of witnesses and reports from people in the rooms.

Now we know Trump wanted to "play it down" when he heard the Coronavirus spread through the air and could kill upwards of 5% of people.

So he thought (wrongly) that 5% of people-- including "not just old people" would die from COVID. And what he decided to do about it?
"Play it down," Trump said of the virus.

So he decided to lie. And he decided to cover up that lie by publicly attacking anyone who disagreed. The CDC, HHS, Anthony Fauci.
I know we are used to lies. I know we are used to d#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g responsibility. I know we are used to incompetence, but something struck me as soon as I heard this.

His excuse: "I didn't want to panic people."

When you have a novel pandemic, before there is a vaccine, the only medicine there is is public reaction.

With a disease that spreads through the respiratory system, not telling them they could avoid catching the disease by taking simple precautions is psychopathic.
The man is a pyromaniac. He knew an invisible fire was coming here and he let the fire rage.

And the people around him knew he knew. And they too did nothing.
Its not like he had a plan for dealing with it while he denied something he knew. He let the fire rage all the time telling us it would be gone by April. 15 cases would become zero.

It spread through the air, but was "going to zero?" It killed people but was "like the flu?"
Trump's defenders like to say "It wouldn't have been any different under Obama." It would have been different under anyone but a madman.
Imagine a world under which the president holds a press conference in the first week in February. He tells people the virus is coming here. It spreads through the air. Its lethal.

Even if he screwed up everything else he screwed up, the world would be different.
People would have been prepared. They would have protected their families. We would have begun to study this. And we would have looked a lot like other countries in the world.
Think about it this way. If a corporation had knowledge that they had a product that killed people and said and did nothing, it could be considered negligent homicide. The CEO and the entire management team would be fired. Some would go to jail.
A movie would be made about the evil. It would win an academy award.

For Trump and team, it will have a news cycle of under 48 hours.

What else don't we know that he knows? What else is his team protecting him on? If he doesn't care about American lives-- soldiers with bounties or our health, what could we count on him to care about besides himself?
You can play table top exercises about what happens when a pandemic comes to our country 100 times with 100 scenarios and never play out the scenario where the president decides not to tell the country & his team backs him up.
Thankfully Republicans in Congress are loudly denouncing him.

OK, just kidding

This is your typical hypothetical BS that you present as fact merely by saying it.

It even contradicts itself. You posit that if Trump said what he actually knew, the world would be different. On the other hand, if he did so, you say that "we would have looked a lot like other countries in the world." Which indicates that Trump was not the cause of the world's pandemic problem and that the world already knew what you think is the truth. As did Fauci, the CDC, et. al--who, BTW, also lied for the same reason that Trump did, to prevent a panic reaction.

And the pandemic caused a world-wide massive economic recession but you tried to pin the blame of our recession on Trump. Of course, unlike your blaming our economic problem on Trump in spite of the world-wide collapse, this time you imply that Biden's policies are not the cause of our financial problems, but that they're caused by the worldwide failures.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

This is your typical hypothetical BS that you present as fact merely by saying it.

It even contradicts itself. You posit that if Trump said what he actually knew, the world would be different. On the other hand, if he did so, you say that "we would have looked a lot like other countries in the world." Which indicates that Trump was not the cause of the world's pandemic problem and that the world already knew what you think is the truth. As did Fauci, the CDC, et. al--who, BTW, also lied for the same reason that Trump did, to prevent a panic reaction.

And the pandemic caused a world-wide massive economic recession but you tried to pin the blame of our recession on Trump. Of course, unlike your blaming our economic problem on Trump in spite of the world-wide collapse, this time you imply that Biden's policies are not the cause of our financial problems, but that they're caused by the worldwide failures.

You’re somewhat correct, I should have said our world, but you’d spin that also
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

You’re somewhat correct, I should have said our world, but you’d spin that also
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I didn't spin anything. You, as you often do, conjectured, presented a hypothetical as if it were fact, made it as if Trump knew something that others didn't but hid what he knew and lied and that was the reason that the world or "our world" was different than if he had told us what he really knew. But you left out that what he supposedly knew was known by those who advised him, such as Fauci and the CDC, and as well by the WHO and the Chinese regime (which knew it before anyone and didn't, as they were obliged to do, tell the rest of us). Trump didn't just make up stuff out of thin air. He repeated things, in his awkward way, that our various "experts" said or were publicly saying, as well as what the WHO was saying. And all of whom initially withheld some of what they knew in order to prevent various kinds of panic reaction. Or, possibly, to hide some of their own failings or malfeasance.