Forbes issues warning

[Jim in CT]

Forbes published a piece, warning any company that hires Trump senior officials, that every statement that company ever makes, will
be presumed to be a lie.

I was concerned with the extreme to which we’d pass liberal bills after this election. But i never thought we’d spend this much energy on reprisals. Forbes literally dared companies to hire these people.

This is unity and tolerance?Censorship and retribution?

It beats everything i’ve seen. It’s like the left is actually scared of having to put their TDS on a shelf, they’re going berserk with one final purge.

Again, Rockhound, I’d be fascinated with your take.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/au.fina...mgYh2V9w3gDshM

[Pete F.]

Now, Forbes is a left wing organization.

How about the list of political donors that will not provide funding for the Reps and Senators who backed Trumps attempt to steal the election.

Or the largest business organization in the country, U.S. CHAMBER'S DONOHUE SAYS TRUMP'S CONDUCT LAST WEEK "WAS ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE AND COMPLETELY INEXCUSABLE

[PaulS]

Here is the quote from your link. “Let it be known to the business world: Hire any of Trump’s fellow fabulists... and Forbes will assume that everything your company or firm talks about is a lie. We’re going to scrutinize, double-check, investigate with the same skepticism we’d approach a Trump tweet,”

And I assume everyone understands they aren't talking about low level ees at Forbes or in the Trump admin.

So Forbes should just take on face value quotes from people who have lied repeatedly in the past w/o investigating the facts behind the quote?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Here is the quote from your link. “Let it be known to the business world: Hire any of Trump’s fellow fabulists... and Forbes will assume that everything your company or firm talks about is a lie. We’re going to scrutinize, double-check, investigate with the same skepticism we’d approach a Trump tweet,”


And I assume everyone understands they aren't talking about low level ees at Forbes or in the Trump admin.

So Forbes should just take on face value quotes from people who have lied repeatedly in the past w/o investigating the facts behind the quote?

i’m sorry, was the Clinton administration a living embodiment of virtue? must be very very convenient, to engage in selective memory.

Hilary said very forcefully, hat Bill
wasn’t cheating on her, but rather he was being framed by republicans. she also said she came under sniper fire on a trip which was a BS claim. but she can work anywhere she wants?

Sarah Sanders is a pathological
liar? she’s told worse lies than saying she’s been under sniper fire?
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i’m sorry, was the Clinton administration a living embodiment of virtue? must be very very convenient, to engage in selective memory. Seems like you have the selective memory. NO ADMINISTRATION has lied like this one.

Hilary said very forcefully, hat Bill
wasn’t cheating on her, but rather he was being framed by republicans. she also said she came under sniper fire on a trip which was a BS claim. but she can work anywhere she wants?

Sarah Sanders is a pathological
liar? she’s told worse lies than saying she’s been under sniper fire?
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Yes, Sarah Sanders is a pathological liar. You could not believe a word our of her mouth. Forbes ain't hiring Sarah Sanders. If you didn't lie repeatedly in the Trump admin. or stood there and shook your head yes when he lied, you have nothing to worry about.

[Pete F.]

When all else fails, there's always "But Hillary"

Amazon removes QAnon merchandise from its marketplace.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

When all else fails, there's always "But Hillary"

Exactly - bring up the same couple quotes about Hillary or bring up the same quote from Biden over and over demonstrates how there's no equivalence between anyone else and the Trump administration.
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[PaulS]

A few of Sarah bigger lies:

•Denying knowledge of Trump’s in-office hush-money payoffs, despite the fact that Trump himself admitted to them;


•Claiming that Trump had created far more jobs for African Americans than Obama, when, in reality, Obama created four times as many as Trump;


•Insisting, with a straight face, that her boss had never “promoted or encouraged violence,” seemingly forgetting the time Trump told supporters at a rally, of a protester who’d been ejected, “I’d like to punch him in the face”; or the time he told a crowd in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, “If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously, okay. Just knock the hell—I promise you I will pay for the legal fees, I promise”; or the time he openly fantasized about “Second Amendment people” preventing the appointment of liberal judges; or the time he instructed police officers to knock suspects’ heads against the side of their squad cars.


•Smearing the many, many women who have accused Trump of sexual harassment or assault and claiming they are the liars;


•And, of course who could forget the time she created an elaborate yarn about how she’d heard from “countless…individuals who work at the FBI who said they were very happy” with Trump’s decision to fire James Comey, in an attempt to make the story that the firing was all about agency morale stick, and had nothing whatsoever to do with the Russia investigation. Which, of course, she admitted was a total lie during her interview with Special Counsel Robert Mueller. She subsequently doubled down, telling George Stephanopoulos that she only admitted to lying about hearing from “countless” people, before shifting the focus to Comey, who she described as a “disgraced leaker” and a “dirty cop.”

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

A few of Sarah bigger lies:

•Denying knowledge of Trump’s in-office hush-money payoffs, despite the fact that Trump himself admitted to them;


•Claiming that Trump had created far more jobs for African Americans than Obama, when, in reality, Obama created four times as many as Trump;


•Insisting, with a straight face, that her boss had never “promoted or encouraged violence,” seemingly forgetting the time Trump told supporters at a rally, of a protester who’d been ejected, “I’d like to punch him in the face”; or the time he told a crowd in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, “If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously, okay. Just knock the hell—I promise you I will pay for the legal fees, I promise”; or the time he openly fantasized about “Second Amendment people” preventing the appointment of liberal judges; or the time he instructed police officers to knock suspects’ heads against the side of their squad cars.


•Smearing the many, many women who have accused Trump of sexual harassment or assault and claiming they are the liars;


•And, of course who could forget the time she created an elaborate yarn about how she’d heard from “countless…individuals who work at the FBI who said they were very happy” with Trump’s decision to fire James Comey, in an attempt to make the story that the firing was all about agency morale stick, and had nothing whatsoever to do with the Russia investigation. Which, of course, she admitted was a total lie during her interview with Special Counsel Robert Mueller. She subsequently doubled down, telling George Stephanopoulos that she only admitted to lying about hearing from “countless” people, before shifting the focus to Comey, who she described as a “disgraced leaker” and a “dirty cop.”

Here's my favorite, you criticize Sanders for "Smearing the many, many women who have accused Trump of sexual harassment or assault"

Yet Hilary, as First Lady, goes in front of the world, and refers to Bills accusers (and we KNOW that at least one of them was telling the truth) "narcissistic looney tunes". But you have no issue with that. None. Please explain.

Yeah, those are some serious principles you have there, Paul. Please, tell us what a tireless advocate Hilary is, for women.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Here's my favorite, you criticize Sanders for "Smearing the many, many women who have accused Trump of sexual harassment or assault"

Yet Hilary, as First Lady, goes in front of the world, and refers to Bills accusers (and we KNOW that at least one of them was telling the truth) "narcissistic looney tunes". But you have no issue with that. None. Please explain.

Yeah, those are some serious principles you have there, Paul. Please, tell us what a tireless advocate Hilary is, for women.

You're the one supporting the most vile person we've ever had as a president and make the most vile statements about women ever so if you want to look for someone with no principles look in the mirror. No wonder people call you a misogynist on this board
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[Got Stripers]

Trump and all his supporters involved in this breach of the capital deserve everything they have coming. If you aren’t watching all the video being released, then you don’t care how serious this was and how lucky more weren’t killed. Trump, his family and those inciting this mob deserve to be impeached, disbarred, sent packing from future federal office, criminally prosecuted,payback should be a bitch.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Trump and all his supporters involved in this breach of the capital deserve everything they have coming. If you aren’t watching all the video being released, then you don’t care how serious this was and how lucky more weren’t killed. Trump, his family and those inciting this mob deserve to be impeached, disbarred, sent packing from future federal office, criminally prosecuted,payback should be a bitch.

Hey, if Trump plotted a violent coup, he deserves all that.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

You're the one supporting the most vile person we've ever had as a president and make the most vile statements about women ever so if you want to look for someone with no principles look in the mirror. No wonder people call you a misogynist on this board
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oh that wasn’t a cowardly dodge.

Paul: sarah sanders deserves to never work again, because she disparaged assault victims.

Jim: so did Hilary. why does she get a pass?

Paul: you make vile statements about women.

how about growing a pair, and answering the obvious question that a 6 year old would have asked you?
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

oh that wasn’t a cowardly dodge.

Paul: sarah sanders deserves to never work again, because she disparaged assault victims.

Jim: so did Hilary. why does she get a pass?

Paul: you make vile statements about women.

how about growing a pair, and answering the obvious question that a 6 year old would have asked you?
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I'm not sure you recognize that I didn't type those lies from Sanders, I just cut and paste them. You're the one who mentioned Hillary Clinton in a post that has nothing to do with her but rather is about Forbes and what they think will happen with the people who have sold their soul to Trump and his lies.

you are the one who brought up Sarah Sanders. What I said is Sarah Sanders is a habitual liar who has shown that she will say anything to defend Trump. So I view her constant lying as different than Hillary's infrequent lies or stupid statements where she later says she shouldn't have said something and apologizes. I don't view comparing someone's infrequent statements with someone's frequent statements the same.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

You're the one supporting the most vile person we've ever had as a president and make the most vile statements about women ever so if you want to look for someone with no principles look in the mirror. No wonder people call you a misogynist on this board
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i don’t support his personal behavior any more than you do. i have said he’s the worst person to hold that office in our lifetime. he’s absolutely incapable of acting like a mature adult/.

here’s the difference. unlike you, i can admit the truth that his policies have been beneficial for the country.

i despise trump.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i don’t support his personal behavior any more than you do. i have said he’s the worst person to hold that office in our lifetime. he’s absolutely incapable of acting like a mature adult/.

here’s the difference. unlike you, i can admit the truth that his policies have been beneficial for the country.

i despise trump.
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I think overall he has been the worst president of my lifetime. So if you want to pick some things and say he's done a good job more power to you. I think his environmental and economic policies have hurt the country and most of all hurt the poor and have benefited the rich. You view tax cuts as beneficial, I view them as stupid when we are running a huge deficit.Do I disagree with 100% of what he has done of course not but I choose to focus on the vast majority of his policies of which I disagree with.
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[Got Stripers]

Now even Moscow Mitch has come out stating Trump committed impeachable offenses, so even one rattlesnake understands the venom the other snake is spewing is a danger to his power and coalition.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Now even Moscow Mitch has come out stating Trump committed impeachable offenses, so even one rattlesnake understands the venom the other snake is spewing is a danger to his power and coalition.

Putin getting ready for a new relationship.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Now even Moscow Mitch has come out stating Trump committed impeachable offenses, so even one rattlesnake understands the venom the other snake is spewing is a danger to his power and coalition.

McConnell and Liz Cheney are saying there’s no question he committed an impeachable offense.
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

McConnell and Liz Cheney are saying there’s no question he committed an impeachable offense.
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It’s so cowardly for them to say at this stage of Trumps term enough is enough, they could put up with all his BS for four years but not this week.

[Nebe]

Karma works in mysterious ways.
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[Pete F.]

Trump's brand is destroyed forever. You cannot do business without any type of partners... When you think about the logo of Trump's business at this point, it's those people storming the Capitol"

Donny Deutsch

Sorry, I have no empathy
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Trump's brand is destroyed forever. You cannot do business without any type of partners... When you think about the logo of Trump's business at this point, it's those people storming the Capitol"

Donny Deutsch

Sorry, I have no empathy
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Ok then, let's move on.

[Pete F.]

I’m waiting for the Grand Jury
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[Pete F.]

You just have to watch the House Republicans defending Tweety today

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

After four years of Tweety, America is poorer, sicker, less respected in the world, monumentally more in debt and more divided than any time since Civil War. Under him, Republicans lost WH, Senate and House. Think about it. Was it worth it?

After three years of Trump (can't call him Tweety anymore--been lifetime banned from it) what you said is mostly false. That fourth year saw the whole world become sicker and poorer (not sure about China, but nobody can be sure that what China says is true). Putting the sicker and poorer on Trump is not honest. We would have been poorer and sicker under any other President given the pandemic.

Being divided is a two way highway. One side is not the sole problem. Pointing fingers at the other guy doesn't solve it. The division has been growing for a long while. Remember the divide between the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street? Couldn't get more divided than that. The aftermath of those two movements morphed into the current parties. If you don't think the likes of Ocasio, Rashida, Ilhan, and the rise of the social justice/Post Modern/and Socialist elements in the Democrat Party are not equal partners in the division between them and traditionalist, "conservative" America, and prefer to put the blame on Trump, I, even further than usual, question your honesty, as well as your ability to think rationally, logically, or with some common sense.

You are, obviously, very intelligent. But you betray that by abandoning total honesty and using divisive, deceitful rhetoric. I understand the use of the rhetorical version of scorched earth in order to totally defeat an ideological or political opponent. But that is war, not honest dialog. Winning a war does not necessarily make a country, or a party, or a person, just, wise truthful, and good. It does not make you right in the battleground of ideas. It can lead to the opposite of all that is good. Many evil people and regimes have won wars and created misery and oppression.

If you are seen as tricky, deceitful, in dialog, your opinions are not trusted. You are far more likely persuade those who disagree with you if your argument is rigorously honest. Ranting, raving, and demagoguery is more likely to divide us than unite us.

[Pete F.]

History judges on the whole of a persons performance.

The divide is like between the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street?
One a powerful part of a major party and the other a splinter group?

Yes, Occupy Wall Street is like the left wing of the democratic party, but the Trumplican Cult is far to the right of most Americans.

Few people see Nixon as having a good record, well then again you wouldn't be happy with his successes anyways.

[Got Stripers]

Ten republicans voted yes and Trump has no social media account to spew his hate for them, it’s going to be a rough night in the residence.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

History judges on the whole of a persons performance.

Is history already judging? Are you a historian in judgement? What particular history are you referring to? Henry Ford said "History is more or less bunk."

I think he was partially right. Depends on how accurate and truthful it is.

Pure history doesn't judge. It records. If history is of any use to us other than some sort of academic pleasure, if it is used as a tool in making general or particular judgments on how to live in the present, then the more accurate, the more truthful it is, the more valuable it is.

What we say today is only useful to the future if it is true. So it behooves us to make accurate, truthful, arguments and reports. Commentary that is speculative, conjectural, rather than factual, can mislead those in the future who depend on the record of what we say today. And that can lead to false judgments and failed societies who read them as truth.

The divide is like between the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street?

I didn't say that. I mentioned it as an example of the major division that was already brewing well before Trump. In my opinion, Trump is a result of our huge divide, not the cause of it.

One a powerful part of a major party and the other a splinter group?

They were developing trends. They were indicators of which direction the parties were going. Of what message either party would use to give the base a choice. Many establishment Republicans were afraid of the Tea Party, considered it a splinter group of sorts, and helped to eventually marginalize it. Especially after it helped them to win elections, they pretty much abandoned anything to do with it.

Yes, Occupy Wall Street is like the left wing of the democratic party, but the Trumplican Cult is far to the right of most Americans.

Few people see Nixon as having a good record, well then again you wouldn't be happy with his successes anyways.

Trump won in 2016 and reportedly got 74 million votes in 2020. That's a pretty huge "cult." And he doesn't seem to be far right, whatever that is. How many times does he have to condemn white supremacy, if that's what you mean by far right. He got a greater percentage of Black and Latino votes than many previous Republican Presidents.

You're deep into labeling and branding. To me that's an escape from fact to metaphor. Not very useful, other than to smear and deceitfully win political war.

And Nixon was quite Progressive, whatever that's worth. Nixon is refried political leftovers. Feast on him as much as you want. Not interested at this time.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by detbuch

How many times does he have to condemn white supremacy .

Easy answer, every time he is asked to do so, especially since it’s now well documented by the FBI and all intelligence agencies, white supremacy lead domestic terrorist attacks are this nations biggest threat, not the radical international terrorists.