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11-05-2019, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
"It's ironic that Ukraine's "Anti-Corruption Bureau" was established with he assistance of Quid Pro Joe Biden."
What's ironic is that . . .
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All you can muster in rebuttal to an on-point original post is an unattributed stolen pile of crap from a site where leftists go for their periodic programming -- https://www.americanprogress.org/iss...t-kleptocrats/
All that proves is that you are owed no respect, you have neither the intelligence or the integrity to discuss anything besides cheating in fishing tournaments.
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
Libertarians, constitutional conservatives, and classical liberals believe in protecting whistleblowers to expose government corruption. Trump Republicans believe in exposing whistleblowers to protect government corruption.
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SMH.
"All of these whistleblowers have axes to grind. [We need] to f--k these guys, . . . we need to get whatever dirt we can on these guys and take them down" -- Scott Thomasson
It's as if you demand we not remember that before there was a fake whistleblower named Eric Ciaramella, there was a real whistleblower by the name of John Dodson. |
You can’t truly call yourself “peaceful” unless you are capable of great violence.
If you are incapable of violence, you are not peaceful, you are just harmless.
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11-05-2019, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ReelinRod
All you can muster in rebuttal to an on-point original post is an unattributed stolen pile of crap from a site where leftists go for their periodic programming -- https://www.americanprogress.org/iss...t-kleptocrats/
All that proves is that you are owed no respect, you have neither the intelligence or the integrity to discuss anything besides cheating in fishing tournaments.
SMH.
"All of these whistleblowers have axes to grind. [We need] to f--k these guys, . . . we need to get whatever dirt we can on these guys and take them down" -- Scott Thomasson
It's as if you demand we not remember that before there was a fake whistleblower named Eric Ciaramella, there was a real whistleblower by the name of John Dodson. |
BIOYA
Issa introduced new Whistleblower protection legislation in November 2011. Retaliating against whistleblowers is a crime.
Just what are Floridaman and his Trumplicans doing to this whistleblower?
Two wrongs don't make a right, or perhaps they do in Trumpworld.
Floridaman has no anticorruption agenda for anything other than his political opponents.
He also has no idea how to manage a bureaucracy and therefore can't persuade his administration to push things in the direction he wants them to go.
So he does what he always has, as he was taught by Roy Cohn. Then it was call Michael Cohen, now it's call Rudy Guiliani, and when that falls apart, send Barr and Pompeo to investigate. As they say in Queens: "Just tell em ya ain't getting nuttin unless ya get me da goods"
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Now you can do a round of But Kavanaugh with a chorus of The Economy. |
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11-05-2019, 04:59 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete F.
Issa introduced new Whistleblower protection legislation in November 2011. Retaliating against whistleblowers is a crime.
Just what are Floridaman and his Trumplicans doing to this whistleblower?
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Retaliation as defined by the whistleblower legislation is some kind of personnel punishment by the employer such as being transferred, denied a raise, have your hours reduced, be fired, blacklisted, demoted, transferred to a less desirable job, failing to rehire, denying benefits or any other act that would be seen as punishment.
Trumplicans have no ability to administer personnel punishment on the whistleblower. The Floridaman is not making a retaliatory personnel punishment. |
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11-05-2019, 05:58 PM
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Ledge Runner Baits
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Talking point it’s all the evil dems have thought about, undoing an election, couldn’t possibly have anything to do with the criminal impeachable behavior by our president. It’s just more of the same, here, on Fox aka Trump news and in any interviews of GOP senators. It’s like they all have a weekly briefing so the talking points are echoed by all. No point in debating at this point EVERY single supporter of Trump on this site is an echo chamber and they of course are entitled to their opinions, but everyone on the other side of the issues are pretty convinced of the wrong doing. I’ve chimed in less as I see this as just a merry go round making everyone dizzy, it’s just going round and round.
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11-06-2019, 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Got Stripers
Talking point it’s all the evil dems have thought about, undoing an election, couldn’t possibly have anything to do with the criminal impeachable behavior by our president. It’s just more of the same, here, on Fox aka Trump news and in any interviews of GOP senators. It’s like they all have a weekly briefing so the talking points are echoed by all. No point in debating at this point EVERY single supporter of Trump on this site is an echo chamber and they of course are entitled to their opinions, but everyone on the other side of the issues are pretty convinced of the wrong doing. I’ve chimed in less as I see this as just a merry go round making everyone dizzy, it’s just going round and round.
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this is hilarious |
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11-06-2019, 03:55 PM
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Ledge Runner Baits
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Originally Posted by scottw
this is hilarious
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Keep the echo chamber up, hey Trump predicted how you'd behave long before now. |
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11-06-2019, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Got Stripers
Keep the echo chamber up,
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did someone else from the echo chamber say "this is hilarious"? |
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11-06-2019, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Got Stripers
couldn’t possibly have anything to do with the criminal impeachable behavior by our president. .
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Again, when they were saying "impeach the mother*cker" before his first day, a rational person would conclude they made their minds up first, then never stopped digging until they found something to hang their red hats on. That's not how it's supposed to work. STill doesn't mean their claims can't be valid, but at a minimum, standards have been changed, as democrats have done similar things and no one called them out on it, let alone suggested impeachment. |
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11-05-2019, 09:44 PM
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So after today’s reveals and tonights results do the Republican Senators feel safe in Trumptown or are they starting to think they should get out before it really becomes a suicide pact.
Tomorrow Floridaman will start throwing more people under the bus.
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11-06-2019, 04:31 PM
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Ledge Runner Baits
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Dig, what are you smoking, nobody needed to dig; Trump’s corruption is always in plain sight.
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11-06-2019, 04:59 PM
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This afternoon Colludy is claiming he was working as Floridamans defense lawyer, a short while ago he was working at the behest of the State Department.
“The investigation I conducted concerning 2016 Ukrainian collusion and corruption, was done solely as a defense attorney to defend my client against false charges, that kept changing as one after another were disproven.”
So thanks for admitting it was all for 45's personal gain and had nothing to do with the best interests of the United States.
He’s being represented by Costello. Costello is the lawyer who emailed Michael Cohen saying, “Sleep well tonight, you have friends in high places.”
He’s f’d
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11-06-2019, 06:03 PM
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What is not so funny, is Moscow Mitch proclaiming if the trial gets to the senate, Trump will not be removed. So the judge is also the jury, no fair trail or look at the evidence. Between the public testimony and the Stone trial and Rudy’s trouble, Trump must not be getting any sleep.
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11-06-2019, 09:37 PM
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Trump has the local flakes acting like hamsters on a wheel. Great entertainment by the 3 stooges.
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11-06-2019, 10:48 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sea Dangles
Trump has the local flakes acting like hamsters on a wheel. Great entertainment by the 3 stooges.
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I also found Meadows, Jordan and Nunes quite comical, Graham has had a few slapstick walkons too
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Lets Go Darwin
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11-07-2019, 07:45 AM
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Rudy Haha
Time to get a new lawyer when he constantly gets you in trouble instead of getting you out of trouble.
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11-08-2019, 09:15 AM
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1) The new defense of Trump from Trumplicans is a joke.
Their claim now is that, yes, there may have been a quid pro quo, but you can't show Trump himself was behind it.
But the already known facts show this is steaming nonsense.
2) Go step by step.
Trump himself personally ordered the military aid frozen.
White House officials were ordered not to share details about it with lawmakers.
3) Giuliani publicly confirmed the whole plot as early as May, and continued to do so for months.
Here's an important quote from Giuliani:
“I don’t do anything that involves my client without speaking with my client.”
4) Pence himself directly delivered the message to Zelensky about the withheld military aid.
He said Zelensky needed to do more about "corruption."
But prior texts show that Ukraine had already been told the statement had to target Crowdstrike/Biden.
5) After all this, Trump's spinners are actually trying to argue that Sondland freelanced the extortion piece of the plot on his own.
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Lets Go Darwin
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11-08-2019, 09:25 AM
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Thanks for the update,this is very important news to some.
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11-09-2019, 04:31 AM
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Wait. If the reason not to impeach Trump is because Ukraine got the aid and Trump didn’t get his investigation, then why is Barr investigating the origins of the Russia investigation. Obviously it didn't prevent Trump from being elected and didn't succeed in removing him from office. No harm, no foul.
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11-09-2019, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
Wait. If the reason not to impeach Trump is because Ukraine got the aid and Trump didn’t get his investigation, then why is Barr investigating the origins of the Russia investigation. Obviously it didn't prevent Trump from being elected and didn't succeed in removing him from office. No harm, no foul.
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In neither case was the investigation into Trump warranted. In fact, the impeachment case is a result of the Russia investigation. If the phony Russia thing hadn't happened, the following chain of events would not have occurred and would not have resulted into this impeachment and investigation into Ukrainian corruption, and we would not have this obstruction of productive government that is going on now. Maybe some other phony obstruction, but not this one.
Getting to the bottom of how and who were the causes of the Russia hoax could expose the seeds of the unwarranted impeachment inquiry. |
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11-09-2019, 07:54 AM
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11-09-2019, 09:30 AM
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The whistleblower is a disgrace to our country... and the whistleblower because of that should be revealed,"
And his lawyer who said the worst things possible two years ago, he should be sued, and maybe for treason."
Just another example of what happens when you don't bend the knee..
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11-09-2019, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
The whistleblower is a disgrace to our country... and the whistleblower because of that should be revealed,"
And his lawyer who said the worst things possible two years ago, he should be sued, and maybe for treason."
Just another example of what happens when you don't bend the knee..
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Why is what Trump said (which was a response) somehow worse (or even inaccurate) than what the lawyer said? Wasn't what the lawyer said treasonous? Do you know what the lawyer said? |
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11-09-2019, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by detbuch
Why is what Trump said (which was a response) somehow worse (or even inaccurate) than what the lawyer said? Wasn't what the lawyer said treasonous? Do you know what the lawyer said?
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Again you fail to understand that a lawyer ( private citizen with zero power or influence)
And POTUS ( using his position and influence as POTUS (not private as citizen) are not the same
The Whistleblower Complaint Has Largely Been Corroborated
You do know what Corroborated means
No matter the reasons why he or she filed the complaint. It actually happened
And Trump defenders no matter whom it is or no matter their record
Will tear them apart for not kissing Trumps Ring
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11-09-2019, 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
Again you fail to understand that a lawyer ( private citizen with zero power or influence)
You fail to understand that a "private" citizen can commit treason or say treasonous things.
And POTUS ( using his position and influence as POTUS (not private as citizen) are not the same
Who said they were?
The Whistleblower Complaint Has Largely Been Corroborated
You do know what Corroborated means
That has nothing to do with what the lawyer said and if it was treasonous. Nor has it been substantiated that Trump committed an impeachable offense.
You do know what substantiated means?
No matter the reasons why he or she filed the complaint. It actually happened
"It" doesn't mean that Trump did something impeachable.
And Trump defenders no matter whom it is or no matter their record
Will tear them apart for not kissing Trumps Ring
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And, again, I failed to understand that it is better to stay away, not respond, to your less than worth wile posts. |
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11-09-2019, 05:29 PM
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And, again, I failed to understand that it is better to stay away, not respond, to your less than worth wile posts.
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I forgot your the superior mind on this board.. Lol. Ps is there a list of impeachable offenses in the Constitution . That only you are aware of?
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11-09-2019, 09:46 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wdmso
The whistleblower is a disgrace to our country... and the whistleblower because of that should be revealed,"
And his lawyer who said the worst things possible two years ago, he should be sued, and maybe for treason."
Just another example of what happens when you don't bend the knee..
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stop calling him a whistleblower...he's a deep state partisan hack and obama, biden, brennan lackey...about as legit as balsey ford |
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11-09-2019, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by scottw
stop calling him a whistleblower...he's a deep state partisan hack and obama, biden, brennan lackey...about as legit as balsey ford
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And this: https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/201...02d7fd625046d4 |
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11-09-2019, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by scottw
stop calling him a whistleblower...he's a deep state partisan hack and obama, biden, brennan lackey...about as legit as balsey ford
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Desperation looks good on you.
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11-09-2019, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by spence
Desperation looks good on you.
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11-09-2019, 11:33 AM
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This process should not be behind closed doors. It should be out in the open.
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