| |
 |
|
|
|
 |
|
 |
| |
| Political Threads This section is for Political Threads - Enter at your own risk. If you say you don't want to see what someone posts - don't read it :hihi: |
06-22-2016, 02:49 PM
|
#1
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: RI
Posts: 21,182
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by justplugit
How do the terrorist's win, and why should we let people in that come from countries that support terrorism?
|
If terrorists influence the US to take an irrational position that the majority believes compromises our values = terrorists win. |
|
|
|
|
|
06-22-2016, 02:56 PM
|
#2
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Easton, MA
Posts: 5,736
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by spence
If terrorists influence the US to take an irrational position that the majority believes compromises our values = terrorists win.
|
So, is that more of a "win" than committing more mass murders on our soil?
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
Conservatism is not about leaving people behind. Conservatism is about empowering people to catch up, to give them tools at their disposal that make it possible for them to access all the hope, all the promise, all the opportunity that America offers. - Marco Rubio
|
|
|
|
|
06-22-2016, 03:09 PM
|
#3
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: RI
Posts: 21,182
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by fishbones
So, is that more of a "win" than committing more mass murders on our soil?
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
|
So far I'm only aware of a single Muslim immigrant who's been involved in a mass shooting on US soil. The experts seem to agree the bigger threat is self radicalization of people already here many who are citizens and can walk into gun stores and legally buy assault weapons.
Taking irrational action at the border to discriminate against Islam is not only going to be ineffective it's going drive self radicalization.
Newsflash, the worst mass shooting in US history appears to be a lover scorned.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...-mateen-224644 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
06-22-2016, 04:38 PM
|
#4
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Mansfield
Posts: 4,834
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by spence
So far I'm only aware of a single Muslim immigrant who's been involved in a mass shooting on US soil. The experts seem to agree the bigger threat is self radicalization of people already here many who are citizens and can walk into gun stores and legally buy assault weapons.
Taking irrational action at the border to discriminate against Islam is not only going to be ineffective it's going drive self radicalization.
Newsflash, the worst mass shooting in US history appears to be a lover scorned.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...-mateen-224644 |
But we do have other countries that are having more attacks and that should be a lesson to us . What exactly is wrong with slowing the process down? When our parents immigrated here they needed sponsors and jobs . It was very strict . What was wrong with that system ? What purpose does it serve to have unlimited immigration? Do you not see the financial and social burden it creates ?
Oh scorned lover.. Lmao . Is that the new "work place violence "?
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
|
|
|
|
|
|
06-22-2016, 05:26 PM
|
#5
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: RI
Posts: 21,182
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by buckman
But we do have other countries that are having more attacks and that should be a lesson to us . What exactly is wrong with slowing the process down? When our parents immigrated here they needed sponsors and jobs . It was very strict . What was wrong with that system ? What purpose does it serve to have unlimited immigration? Do you not see the financial and social burden it creates ?
Oh scorned lover.. Lmao . Is that the new "work place violence "?
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
|
The attacks in France and Belgium were by EU citizens.
The process for refugees to come to the US is not the same as the EU either. It's much harder, takes longer and I don't believe refugees even have any say where they are sent. They are fingerprinted and have their retinas scanned.
Sure there's always a possibility and we should be vigilant, but trying to sneak a terrorist into the US as a refugee is probably the most difficult path to take. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
06-22-2016, 05:45 PM
|
#6
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Mansfield
Posts: 4,834
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by spence
The attacks in France and Belgium were by EU citizens.
The process for refugees to come to the US is not the same as the EU either. It's much harder, takes longer and I don't believe refugees even have any say where they are sent. They are fingerprinted and have their retinas scanned.
Sure there's always a possibility and we should be vigilant, but trying to sneak a terrorist into the US as a refugee is probably the most difficult path to take.
|
And my other questions ?
Btw who is " radicalizing " these US citizens?
If we let our fear that radicalized Muslim legal immigrants could be the result of stricter immigration controls , then the terrorist win. No ?
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
|
|
|
|
|
|
06-22-2016, 06:35 PM
|
#7
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 7,688
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by buckman
And my other questions ?
Btw who is " radicalizing " these US citizens?
If we let our fear that radicalized Muslim legal immigrants could be the result of stricter immigration controls , then the terrorist win. No ?
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
|
Yeah, Spence is so brainwashed by the administration and liberal media talking points he can't see the Catch 22 contradiction. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
06-23-2016, 05:43 PM
|
#8
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: RI
Posts: 21,182
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by buckman
What exactly is wrong with slowing the process down?
|
The process is already pretty slow.
Quote:
|
When our parents immigrated here they needed sponsors and jobs . It was very strict . What was wrong with that system ?
|
A lot has changed since then and the system is much more strict today. Have you seen the process?
https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2015...-united-states
Quote:
|
What purpose does it serve to have unlimited immigration?
|
We do not have nor has anyone I'm aware of called for unlimited immigration.
Quote:
|
Do you not see the financial and social burden it creates ?
|
Tell that to the last 200 years of immigrants that created the most powerful country in modern history.
Quote:
Oh scorned lover.. Lmao . Is that the new "work place violence "?
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
|
It's a dynamic that would have significant implications on his real motive. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
06-23-2016, 07:11 PM
|
#9
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Mansfield
Posts: 4,834
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by spence
The process is already pretty slow.
A lot has changed since then and the system is much more strict today. Have you seen the process?
https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2015...-united-states
We do not have nor has anyone I'm aware of called for unlimited immigration.
Tell that to the last 200 years of immigrants that created the most powerful country in modern history.
It's a dynamic that would have significant implications on his real motive. |
What Fishbones said
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
|
|
|
|
|
|
06-23-2016, 07:40 AM
|
#10
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Easton, MA
Posts: 5,736
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by spence
So far I'm only aware of a single Muslim immigrant who's been involved in a mass shooting on US soil. The experts seem to agree the bigger threat is self radicalization of people already here many who are citizens and can walk into gun stores and legally buy assault weapons.
|
You don't pay attention, do you? I didn't mention shootings, yet you based your response on that. This thread is about immigration, not buying guns. Please try to come up with a response that fits the topic of the thread. You must have conveniently forgot about the marathon bombings and 9/11.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
Conservatism is not about leaving people behind. Conservatism is about empowering people to catch up, to give them tools at their disposal that make it possible for them to access all the hope, all the promise, all the opportunity that America offers. - Marco Rubio
|
|
|
|
|
06-28-2016, 10:10 AM
|
#11
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 20,429
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by spence
So far I'm only aware of a single Muslim immigrant who's been involved in a mass shooting on US soil. The experts seem to agree the bigger threat is self radicalization of people already here many who are citizens and can walk into gun stores and legally buy assault weapons.
Taking irrational action at the border to discriminate against Islam is not only going to be ineffective it's going drive self radicalization.
Newsflash, the worst mass shooting in US history appears to be a lover scorned.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...-mateen-224644 |
"So far I'm only aware of a single Muslim immigrant who's been involved in a mass shooting on US soil"
Spence, I'll do you one better...I'm not aware of a Muslim immigrant who has gotten a parking ticket. But I don't know why that matters. So we should wait until it happens, and THEN devise a policy to prevent it?
My point was this...it's much easier for the FBI to investigate an American citizen, than it is for anyone, in any agency, to investigate someone from a mountaintop village which has no electricity or computers. So forgive me if I'm not relieved when Obama says "don't worry, we are vetting these people". |
|
|
|
|
|
|
06-28-2016, 10:40 AM
|
#12
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: RI
Posts: 21,182
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim in CT
My point was this...it's much easier for the FBI to investigate an American citizen, than it is for anyone, in any agency, to investigate someone from a mountaintop village which has no electricity or computers. So forgive me if I'm not relieved when Obama says "don't worry, we are vetting these people".
|
Totally different processes. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
06-28-2016, 11:30 AM
|
#13
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 20,429
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by spence
Totally different processes.
|
As I said, I agree. One process (FBI vetting citizens) is a lot easier. And they still failed miserably in teh case of the Orlando guy.
You said that if we implement bad policies, terrorists win. How does the removal of second amendment rights fit into that argument? |
|
|
|
|
|
|
06-28-2016, 04:49 PM
|
#14
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: RI
Posts: 21,182
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim in CT
As I said, I agree. One process (FBI vetting citizens) is a lot easier. And they still failed miserably in teh case of the Orlando guy.
|
I'd think vetting citizens is probably a lot harder. There are significant protections that limit how far the FBI can go without violating a presumption of innocence. Refugees applying for UN sponsored status have no such protections and face a rigorous process that goes well beyond the scope of the FBI.
Quote:
|
You said that if we implement bad policies, terrorists win. How does the removal of second amendment rights fit into that argument?
|
Who is calling for the removal of second amendment rights? |
|
|
|
|
|
|
06-23-2016, 05:36 PM
|
#15
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: RI
Posts: 21,182
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by fishbones
So, is that more of a "win" than committing more mass murders on our soil?
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
|
Circle back around and think about why the mass murders happened in the first place. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
06-23-2016, 07:06 PM
|
#16
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Easton, MA
Posts: 5,736
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by spence
Circle back around and think about why the mass murders happened in the first place.
|
Stop it. You're making yourself look even more foolish.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
Conservatism is not about leaving people behind. Conservatism is about empowering people to catch up, to give them tools at their disposal that make it possible for them to access all the hope, all the promise, all the opportunity that America offers. - Marco Rubio
|
|
|
|
|
06-23-2016, 07:35 PM
|
#17
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: RI
Posts: 21,182
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by fishbones
Stop it. You're making yourself look even more foolish.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
|
Sorry, I didn't mean to have asked you to think. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
06-23-2016, 11:54 PM
|
#18
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Easton, MA
Posts: 5,736
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by spence
Sorry, I didn't mean to have asked you to think.
|
Actually, you didn't ask. You just continue to say things to detract from the fact that you can't support your argument here.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
Conservatism is not about leaving people behind. Conservatism is about empowering people to catch up, to give them tools at their disposal that make it possible for them to access all the hope, all the promise, all the opportunity that America offers. - Marco Rubio
|
|
|
|
|
06-22-2016, 08:48 PM
|
#19
|
|
Registered Grandpa
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: east coast
Posts: 8,592
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by spence
If terrorists influence the US to take an irrational position that the majority believes compromises our values = terrorists win.
|
It would be an irrational decision to allow immigrants from countries that support terrorism the priviledge (sp ?) to enter our country. |
" Choose Life "
|
|
|
|
|
06-23-2016, 07:34 PM
|
#20
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: RI
Posts: 21,182
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by justplugit
It would be an irrational decision to allow immigrants from countries that support terrorism the priviledge (sp ?) to enter our country.
|
Why? |
|
|
|
|
|
|
06-23-2016, 09:19 PM
|
#21
|
|
Registered Grandpa
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: east coast
Posts: 8,592
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by spence
Why?
|
Common sense. Shouldn't have to spell out the dangers of countries who
support the terrorism that wants to do us in. |
" Choose Life "
|
|
|
|
|
06-24-2016, 06:36 AM
|
#22
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Libtardia
Posts: 21,559
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by justplugit
Common sense. Shouldn't have to spell out the dangers of countries who
support the terrorism that wants to do us in.
|
The biggest supporter of terrorism is the opponent who fuels the fire of jihad. Every bomb we drop is just fertilizer for more hate of the west. So in a way, we are the biggest funders of terrorism.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
|
|
|
|
|
|
06-28-2016, 10:11 AM
|
#23
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 20,429
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nebe
The biggest supporter of terrorism is the opponent who fuels the fire of jihad. Every bomb we drop is just fertilizer for more hate of the west. So in a way, we are the biggest funders of terrorism.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
|
So we should leave them alone. That's brilliant. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
06-23-2016, 03:40 AM
|
#24
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 12,632
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by spence
If terrorists influence the US to take an irrational position that the majority believes compromises our values = terrorists win.
|
"If terrorists influence the US to take an irrational position that the majority believes compromises our values"= utter nonsense 
Last edited by scottw; 06-23-2016 at 05:06 AM..
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:43 AM.
|
| |
Hybrid Mode