Critical Race Theory

[scottw]

I think CRT stands for create racial tension
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[Pete F.]

When did schools become places where parents decide what children are taught? I thought the purpose of learning, especially higher learning, was to offer different perspectives and promote "open/out of the box thinking?"

If parents are dictating - let them teach at home.
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[Jim in CT]

There is no course in Loudon County called “critical race theory”. But there are kids who reportedly read in school a book called “not my idea”.

in this book, the devil makes deals with people, binding them to whiteness, promising riches of stolen land and stolen property. because that’s what all honkeys are guilty of.

it’s not called critical race theory. but if parents are being honest about kids reading this, then racially divisiveness crap is being forced in our kids there.

there is a limit to how much garbage americans are willing to have been dumped on them.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bos...outputType=amp
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

There is no course in Loudon County called “critical race theory”.

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this is correct, there is no CRT101 to select as a course but CRT is being woven into the curriculum just like every other leftists pet cause, they are not educating, they are attempting to indoctrinate children, turning them into useful little social justice warriors and probably democrat voters...and they'll mock you for pointing this out


there is no open/out of the box thinking in schools, teachers and administrators are more dictatorial and activist than ever and don't tolerate opinions that differ from theirs...no one spends more time on social media than the teachers I know, virtue signaling and sharing memes and making comments that they think make them appear smarter and more evolved that anyone who dares to disagree with them...it's pretty amusing

....if you spend any time with a teacher and see the materials that encourage and direct their teaching or if you are involved in schools and see what and how the kids are being taught it's abundantly obvious and it's poisonous

after Jan 6th, I got a letter from my kid's school superintendent telling me what to think about what happened there as it relates to racism and he provided lot's of links where I could go to tell me how to explain to my kids all of the racism involved in what happened on Jan 6th

that's not education, that's activism and propaganda and someone wandering WAY out of their lane using their position to push their beliefs .....they are not educators/administrators FIRST... but political activists

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

this is correct, there is no CRT101 to select as a course but CRT is being woven into the curriculum just like every other leftists pet cause, they are not educating, they are attempting to indoctrinate children, turning them into useful little social justice warriors and probably democrat voters...and they'll mock you for pointing this out


there is no open/out of the box thinking in schools, teachers and administrators are more dictatorial and activist than ever and don't tolerate opinions that differ from theirs...no one spends more time on social media than the teachers I know, virtue signaling and sharing memes and making comments that they think make them appear smarter and more evolved that anyone who dares to disagree with them...it's pretty amusing

....if you spend any time with a teacher and see the materials that encourage and direct their teaching or if you are involved in schools and see what and how the kids are being taught it's abundantly obvious and it's poisonous

after Jan 6th, I got a letter from my kid's school superintendent telling me what to think about what happened there as it relates to racism and he provided lot's of links where I could go to tell me how to explain to my kids all of the racism involved in what happened on Jan 6th

that's not education, that's activism and propaganda and someone wandering WAY out of their lane using their position to push their beliefs .....they are not educators/administrators FIRST... but political activists

and if you get angry over any of that, you’re a domestic terrorist,
according to the Biden administration.

and what happened in VA and NJ tuesday, in my opinion, was a repudiation of all that. Two states that a month ago no one doubted would remain blue, turned 10+ points to the right after 10 months of what you described. If those two states pivoted that far to the right, where are we in swing states like FL and NC?
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

and what happened in VA and NJ tuesday, in my opinion, was a repudiation of all that.

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lots of stupid misinformed voters obviously, should all be locked up in concentration camps probably...don't know what's best for them and their kids and need government led by leftists to decide for them

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

this is correct, there is no CRT101 to select as a course but CRT is being woven into the curriculum just like every other leftists pet cause, they are not educating, they are attempting to indoctrinate children, turning them into useful little social justice warriors and probably democrat voters...and they'll mock you for pointing this out


there is no open/out of the box thinking in schools, teachers and administrators are more dictatorial and activist than ever and don't tolerate opinions that differ from theirs...no one spends more time on social media than the teachers I know, virtue signaling and sharing memes and making comments that they think make them appear smarter and more evolved that anyone who dares to disagree with them...it's pretty amusing

....if you spend any time with a teacher and see the materials that encourage and direct their teaching or if you are involved in schools and see what and how the kids are being taught it's abundantly obvious and it's poisonous

after Jan 6th, I got a letter from my kid's school superintendent telling me what to think about what happened there as it relates to racism and he provided lot's of links where I could go to tell me how to explain to my kids all of the racism involved in what happened on Jan 6th

that's not education, that's activism and propaganda and someone wandering WAY out of their lane using their position to push their beliefs .....they are not educators/administrators FIRST... but political activists

Scotts on the kool aid ! and down the rabbit hole with the rest of the CRT is happening crowd .

Theses are the same parents who can’t do their kids math . Want schools to discipline their kids or just babysit till they get home from work . Never gone to a parent teacher conference.. but they know what CRT is and where it’s being taught…. Ya ok . But please keep convincing that’s what’s happening
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[Jim in CT]

Here, we see the young Loudon County teacher who quit this summer over racially divisiveness nonsense that was being rammed down her throat.

Again, there might not have been a pamphlet called "CRT", but we all know what we're talking about, the notion that whites all owe some debt because of our collective privilege.

Did this teacher walk away from her career, over something she fabricated?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...theory-lessons

Keep saying that they're all racists and liars, that strategy is working really well.

Biden won in 2020 because he wasn't Trump. Trump is gone now (hopefully for good, which somehow makes me a Trumplican for saying that), so the democrats are going to have to find something else to use, to appeal to Americans. They were unable to come up with that something, in the light-blue state of VA.

There's so many accomplishments the democrats can point to, as their selling point for 2022...not being able to pass an infastructure bill that everyone wants (even though they control the entire federal government), boys in girls bathrooms, boys competing against girls in physical sports, inflation, surging gas prices, late term abortions, defunding police (completely rejected in Minneapolis, the birthplace of the 2020 riots), teaching white children that they are born stained with sin, closing schools, tax increases, green new deals, open borders, wiping out student loans, calling everyone a racist who disagrees with you on any subject...I mean come on! These are issues that all of America will rally behind!

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Theses are the same parents who Never gone to a parent teacher conference..
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they go to BOE meetings, maybe you haven't seen the videos. And they get called domestic terrorists for being angry at BOE meetings...

how do you know they don't go to parent teacher conferences? I'd be very, very curious to know where you got that from?

Youre 180 degrees wrong. These are the parents who bothered to see what was being taught, and who are trying to change it. These are the involved parents, who McAulife said they had no right to a say in what gets taught.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Scotts on the kool aid !

Theses are the same parents who can’t do their kids math .


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that's original and....

you don't know the difference between ..your...you're

I wonder how your math is

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

There is no course in Loudon County called “critical race theory”. But there are kids who reportedly read in school a book called “not my idea”.

in this book, the devil makes deals with people, binding them to whiteness, promising riches of stolen land and stolen property. because that’s what all honkeys are guilty of.

it’s not called critical race theory. but if parents are being honest about kids reading this, then racially divisiveness crap is being forced in our kids there.

there is a limit to how much garbage americans are willing to have been dumped on them.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bos...outputType=amp
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Now is a slow drip. Goal post moving again .. so now it’s a secret attack that just started since Biden took office . Lol
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

There is no course in Loudon County called “critical race theory”. But there are kids who reportedly read in school a book called “not my idea”.
url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bostonglobe.com/2021/08/08/opinion/fallacy-whiteness/%3foutputType=amp[/url]
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Jim’s been radicalized and doesn’t even know it .

Conservative activists and pundits across the United States have weaponized the theory — a decades-old academic framework that holds that racism is woven into the country’s past and institutions — to claim that equity-conscious school systems are teaching children to hate one another, and White children to hate themselves.

Sucker born everyday

Loudoun, a county of roughly 420,000 just outside the nation’s capital, where the median income was $142,299 in 2019 (more than twice the national average).

So this county is also rich

Who or what motivates conservatives base more than the idea of rich white educated elites telling them what’s what..

GOP fear everything unless we say otherwise . And the sheep follow
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Jim’s been radicalized and doesn’t even know it .

Conservative activists and pundits across the United States have weaponized the theory — a decades-old academic framework that holds that racism is woven into the country’s past and institutions — to claim that equity-conscious school systems are teaching children to hate one another, and White children to hate themselves.

Sucker born everyday

Loudoun, a county of roughly 420,000 just outside the nation’s capital, where the median income was $142,299 in 2019 (more than twice the national average).

So this county is also rich

Who or what motivates conservatives base more than the idea of rich white educated elites telling them what’s what..

GOP fear everything unless we say otherwise . And the sheep follow
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wtf is this?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

wtf is this?

ranting gibberish.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Jim’s been radicalized and doesn’t even know it .

Conservative activists and pundits across the United States have weaponized the theory — a decades-old academic framework that holds that racism is woven into the country’s past and institutions — to claim that equity-conscious school systems are teaching children to hate one another, and White children to hate themselves.

Sucker born everyday

Loudoun, a county of roughly 420,000 just outside the nation’s capital, where the median income was $142,299 in 2019 (more than twice the national average).

So this county is also rich

Who or what motivates conservatives base more than the idea of rich white educated elites telling them what’s what..

GOP fear everything unless we say otherwise . And the sheep follow
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Loudon is indeed rich and white. it’s also very liberal, a county that McAuliffe won easily. they are liberal enough to be willing to sacrifice a few of their daughters on the altar of liberal woke virtue signaling.

it’s a deeply, deeply liberal place. that’s fact.

where the hell do you get your information? and what logic do you use,,to try and piece it together?

here’s a link. McAuluffe easily won Loudon County. f that county wasn’t so radically liberal, McAuliffe probably would have won. They LIED about a rape, because expanding the trans bathroom policy was more important. They are also very obviously using racial divisiveness in the classroom. public records show that state education officials referred to CRT very specifically by name, said it was a great tool in education.

i’m not making one speck of that up. if you can’t accept it because it doesn’t help your side, that’s your problem. it’s probably about to become a bigger problem
for you, because conservatives are going to be beyond energized and seizing on the formula that worked in blue VA.

https://www.vpap.org/electionresults...oun-county-va/

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[Pete F.]

This whole CRT moral panic isn't about white kids being made to feel guilty, it's about the anxiety some people feel about white kids learning to empathize with the pain and suffering of black people in the American past, and learning to condemn the white people who inflicted it.

If calling out the undeniably racist and oppressive actions of white people who lived over 150 years ago makes a 21st century white person feel guilty, then that's not really the teacher's fault, is it? Just seems like an invitation to some self-reflection.

Working to build cross-racial solidarity, empathy, and trust has long been part of the American democratic tradition. Working to undermine that has long been part of the American antidemocratic tradition. Choose accordingly.

It's also important to note that the history of enslaved people, when taught well, also teaches children to identify with the resilience and resistance of black people in the American past, and to recognize the bull#^&#^&#^&#^& justifications that white people gave for white supremacy.

The history of slavery, when taught well, also teaches kids to understand power in systemic terms. Slavery was not just interpersonal nastiness or some negative attitudes in some peoples' heads, it was an integrated political, economic, social, and cultural system.

That system was reproduced, day by day, by the actions and inactions of the overwhelming majority of white people who lived at the time. Trying to understand how so many otherwise "nice, well-educated, people of faith" could be complicit with such horror seems worthwhile.

But in a larger sense, it’s about preserving the notion of individualism that lies at the heart of American capitalism. As soon as you begin to doubt that, you begin to question the underlying premises of consumer capitalism on which monopoly capitalism rests.

[Pete F.]

Pretty close recital of Fox headlines

Ironically, Critical Race Theory is exactly the framework you need to explain why Critical Race Theory is the exact boogeyman for Republicans to employ to win elections.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Pretty close recital of Fox headlines

.

that's original

[Pete F.]

I read an interview with the author of Not My Idea, interesting viewpoint.
Oddly enough, the same people who are upset that the Suess family pulled some titles from publication are upset that their children can read this book.

"I made a book for white children that encourages them to connect with their heartbreak about racism. I urge them to tune into their deepest instincts about justice—which I trust—and to nourish those instincts like bean sprouts in a milk carton. I assure them that racism is not their idea and they don’t need to defend it; they can be curious instead.

Rather than being curious about your own experience, you fuss at me about the book I made and how much it leaves to kids’ imaginations: They might not like themselves; they might think police only kill Black people; they might draw sweeping conclusions about white supremacy being evil.

I’m cool with all of that. As long as kids continue to be curious, those beliefs will shift. I want kids clued in on the fact that racism is a system, a setup, a game that has been rigged, and to let them know they get to choose how they want to be. The experience of race they most need to understand is their own. The people they most need to talk to about race are their own family members. That’s where I started and where I am content to stop."

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...llings/619087/

You can watch someone read the book for free here

[scottw]

not my idea is for ages 8-12...

this is like teaching 8-12 or "encouraging them to connect with their heartbreak about" rape....rape/racism are not something on their radar...why not let these kids grow up loving and respecting their peers regardless of color instead of injecting racism and pointing out differences based on those at this age?

here some favorable reviews

"Not My Idea is a sincere look at racial hierarchies—usually unspoken"

Not My Idea: A Book About Whiteness is packed with information and context but avoids being preachy

Not My Idea a Book About Whiteness is a picture book about racism and racial justice, inviting white children and parents to become curious about racism

“Not My Idea Helping young white people dismantle white supremacy is urgently needed; this book is a primer on how to begin.”

again..8-12 year olds...probably can't spell hierarchies

there is quite a list of interesting books that target 8-12 year olds regarding race, sexuality etc....

it's a long way from Stars Upon Thars....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

not my idea is for ages 8-12...

this is like teaching 8-12 or "encouraging them to connect with their heartbreak about" rape....rape/racism are not something on their radar...why not let these kids grow up loving and respecting their peers regardless of color instead of injecting racism and pointing out differences based on those at this age?

here some favorable reviews

"Not My Idea is a sincere look at racial hierarchies—usually unspoken"

Not My Idea: A Book About Whiteness is packed with information and context but avoids being preachy

Not My Idea a Book About Whiteness is a picture book about racism and racial justice, inviting white children and parents to become curious about racism

“Not My Idea Helping young white people dismantle white supremacy is urgently needed; this book is a primer on how to begin.”

again..8-12 year olds...probably can't spell hierarchies

there is quite a list of interesting books that target 8-12 year olds regarding race, sexuality etc....

it's a long way from Stars Upon Thars....

you made that all up.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

not my idea is for ages 8-12...

this is like teaching 8-12 or "encouraging them to connect with their heartbreak about" rape....rape/racism are not something on their radar...why not let these kids grow up loving and respecting their peers regardless of color instead of injecting racism and pointing out differences based on those at this age?

here some favorable reviews

"Not My Idea is a sincere look at racial hierarchies—usually unspoken"

Not My Idea: A Book About Whiteness is packed with information and context but avoids being preachy

Not My Idea a Book About Whiteness is a picture book about racism and racial justice, inviting white children and parents to become curious about racism

“Not My Idea Helping young white people dismantle white supremacy is urgently needed; this book is a primer on how to begin.”

again..8-12 year olds...probably can't spell hierarchies

there is quite a list of interesting books that target 8-12 year olds regarding race, sexuality etc....

it's a long way from Stars Upon Thars....

and i haven’t heard education officials in Loudon deny that this book ( not my idea) is in classrooms. so we’re only wrong to the extent that it’s not all called CRT, but that’s clearly what it is. call it whatever you want. parents don’t care what it’s called, they just want it out of public schools. liberals want it in. that’s clearly a winning issue for republicans.
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[Pete F.]

Let me get this straight
White parents are fine with their children being exposed to a deadly, highly-communicable airborne disease which has killed 750,000 people in the U.S. alone, but teaching them the actual history of the U.S. is harmful to their kids. OK.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Let me get this straight
White parents are fine with their children being exposed to a deadly, highly-communicable airborne disease which has killed 750,000 people in the U.S. alone, but teaching them the actual history of the U.S. is harmful to their kids. OK.

if that's how you rationalize things...well.....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Let me get this straight
White parents are fine with their children being exposed to a deadly, highly-communicable airborne disease which has killed 750,000 people in the U.S. alone, but teaching them the actual history of the U.S. is harmful to their kids. OK.

blacks have much lower vaccination rates
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[Jim in CT]

Pete, do you know who said on TV, that the nazi salute was protected free speech? Merrick Garland said that. He said that, when asked by Senator Ted Cruz.

Remind me, which party does he belong to?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Pete, do you know who said on TV, that the nazi salute was protected free speech? Merrick Garland said that. He said that, when asked by Senator Ted Cruz.

Remind me, which party does he belong to?

Apparently he looks like a political operative to you

Perhaps you can explain just what makes Liz Cheney a RINO?

2021-Present: U.S. attorney general
1997-2021: Judge, United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit
2013-2020: Chief judge
1994-1997: Principal Associate Deputy U.S. Attorney General
1993-1994: Deputy Assistant U.S. Attorney, Criminal Prosecutions Division of the United States Department of Justice
1992-1993: Attorney, private practice
1989-1992: Assistant U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia
1981-1989: Attorney, private practice
1979-1981: Special Assistant United States Attorney General, United States Department of Justice
1978-1979: Law clerk for Associate Justice of the United States William J. Brennan, Jr.
1977-1978: Law clerk for Judge Henry Friendly in the United States Second Circuit Court of Appeals

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Apparently he looks like a political operative to you

Perhaps you can explain just what makes Liz Cheney a RINO?

2021-Present: U.S. attorney general
1997-2021: Judge, United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit
2013-2020: Chief judge
1994-1997: Principal Associate Deputy U.S. Attorney General
1993-1994: Deputy Assistant U.S. Attorney, Criminal Prosecutions Division of the United States Department of Justice
1992-1993: Attorney, private practice
1989-1992: Assistant U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia
1981-1989: Attorney, private practice
1979-1981: Special Assistant United States Attorney General, United States Department of Justice
1978-1979: Law clerk for Associate Justice of the United States William J. Brennan, Jr.
1977-1978: Law clerk for Judge Henry Friendly in the United States Second Circuit Court of Appeals

"Apparently he looks like a political operative to you"

Where did you say political operatives? You criticized republicans for saying the nazi salute is free speech. Garland agrees. And you STILL can't admit I made a point.

Why on earth, would you point out that Liz Cheney was in private practice from 1981-1989, as evidence she's not a RINO? How could that POSSIBLY mean she's not a RINO?

There was a civil war within the GOP. It's over. Liz Cheney's side lost. And I don't intensely dislike Liz Cheney or anything, but she's no longer the preferred brand of Republican.

The civil war among democrats is just beginning, and lord almighty is it entertaining.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"Apparently he looks like a political operative to you"

Where did you say political operatives? You criticized republicans for saying the nazi salute is free speech. Garland agrees. And you STILL can't admit I made a point.

Why on earth, would you point out that Liz Cheney was in private practice from 1981-1989, as evidence she's not a RINO? How could that POSSIBLY mean she's not a RINO?

There was a civil war within the GOP. It's over. Liz Cheney's side lost. And I don't intensely dislike Liz Cheney or anything, but she's no longer the preferred brand of Republican.

The civil war among democrats is just beginning, and lord almighty is it entertaining.

That's Merrick Garland's CV

The preferred brand are all Trumplicans, he is the leader of the Republican party

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Once again you pick a couple of items out of a list

You've don that a lot.

Would you be upset if a teacher said this?

“Think about this. For 246 years, slavery was legal in America. It wasn’t made illegal until 154 years ago,” the 26-year-old teacher told the 23 students sitting before him at Fort Dodge Middle School. “So, what does that mean? It means slavery has been a part of America much longer than it hasn’t been a part of America.”

It is a simple observation, but it is also a revelatory way to think about slavery in America and its inextricable role in the country’s founding, evolution and present. Ours is a nation born as much in chains as in freedom. A century and a half after slavery was made illegal — and 400 years after the first documented arrival of enslaved people from Africa in Virginia — the trauma of this inherited disease lingers.

I would be upset if someone as myopic as the teacher you refer to was actually allowed to teach history.

Slavery has been a part of the recorded world longer than it not being part of it. It's even still part of the world that is older than "America."

So, by this teacher's reasoning, the whole world of human nations must have been "born" as much in chains as in freedom. The whole world must need CRT.

The amalgamation of what was referred to as America was not a separate sovereign nation during most of the 400 years. And since it became a sovereign republic, slavery was only part of the republic for 89 of it's 245 years, so it has been a part of the U.S. far less than when it wasn't a part of the U.S..

So, if this more than less formula is a model for needing CRT, maybe we are less in need of CRT than most. If in need at all. If CRT can actually and satisfactorily solve racial inequity without creating a worse systemic monster. In my opinion, it is the old authoritarian, actually dictatorial, way of throwing out the baby with the bathwater.