3 more cops assassinated, Obama says we eed to focus on words that unite

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Jim, face it you're a hypocrite. You can justify your actions but someone you hate won't get the same benefit.

I think you are coming un-glued

I asked you if you were capable of criticizing Hilary as I did Trump - and you dodged completely, instead calling me a hypocrite.

I'll try one. Last. Time.

I will immediately admit that Trump is a boorish, crass, loud-mouthed jerk.

OK?

Now, can you concede that Hilary is a serial liar who denigrated the female victims of her husband's predation? Yes or no?

I called out Dems for being unable to criticize Hilary. You refuse to criticize her. In other words, you prove my point exactly. And you say I am thy hypocrite.

You hold Trump accountable for his flaws. You refuse to do the same with Hilary. And I am the hypocrite? So pointing out glaring hypocrisy, makes me a hypocrite, I see!

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I think you are coming un-glued

I asked you if you were capable of criticizing Hilary as I did Trump - and you dodged completely, instead calling me a hypocrite.Yes, I think you're a hypocrite on his bc your justifing your voting for him (supporting?) even though you don't agree with everything he says/does yet you can't apply that same standard to Pre. Obama.

I'll try one. Last. Time.

I will immediately admit that Trump is a boorish, crass, loud-mouthed jerk.

OK?

Now, can you concede that Hilary is a serial liar who denigrated the female victims of her husband's predation? Yes or no? I don't think she is a serial liar. Has she been wrong (who knows if they are lies or what. If you want to call them lies, you can.

I called out Dems for being unable to criticize Hilary. You refuse to criticize her. I criticize her plenty. Not my #1 Dem. candidateIn other words, you prove my point exactly. And you say I am thy hypocrite.

You hold Trump accountable for his flaws. You refuse to do the same with Hilary. And I am the hypocrite? So pointing out glaring hypocrisy, makes me a hypocrite, I see!

Every indep. fact checking org. says Trump has been more dishonest than Hillary (and more than every other Rep. and Dem. candidate and when I've pointed that out in the past you say something along the lines of "Who says they are independent?".

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Every indep. fact checking org. says Trump has been more dishonest than Hillary (and more than every other Rep. and Dem. candidate .

this needs to be fact checked


most polls show Americans believe Trump is far more honest and trustworthy than Shill...and that is actually what matters

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

this needs to be fact checked


most polls show Americans believe Trump is far more honest and trustworthy than Shill...and that is actually what matters

Correct. He does better than her (more accurately, doesn't do as bad as her) in trustworthiness.

He's a jerk. She is a George Costanza-class liar. Two beauties.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Every indep. fact checking org. says Trump has been more dishonest than Hillary (and more than every other Rep. and Dem. candidate and when I've pointed that out in the past you say something along the lines of "Who says they are independent?".

So you 'don't know' if she was lying when she said she came under sniper fire at that airport? Have you seen the video?

Paul, correct me if I'm wrong. The only way she wasn't lying, is if she truly believes a sniper tried to shoot her. In which case she isn't a liar, she is a lunatic.

You say I am a hypocrite because I am voting for trump, even though I recognize his ethical lapses. Again, does that mean you don't admit that Hilary has ethical lapses? You agree with every single thing she has ever said or done?

I have yet to meet a perfect politician. I have to vote for somebody, I have to vote for the best available fit. Not sure how that makes me a hypocrite.

Neither you nor Spence can bring yourself to admit that she lied about the sniper thing. That is absolutely incredible to me. Is she blackmailing you guys? What do you think would happen, if you said out loud, "yes she is a liar, but I am voting for her, because I like her policies more than those of Trump". I promise, the world will keep spinning if you say that.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

So you 'don't know' if she was lying when she said she came under sniper fire at that airport? Have you seen the video? I said I didn't think she was a "serial liar". She acknowledged her lie, apologized and that is good enough for me. Same as I would have done with Trump on a few statements. However, his go on and on and on. I don't view every wrong thing that comes out of someone's mouth as a lie. 24 hour news cycle, their being tired, constantly being asked questions, everyone disecting every word, etc.

Paul, correct me if I'm wrong. The only way she wasn't lying, is if she truly believes a sniper tried to shoot her. In which case she isn't a liar, she is a lunatic.

You say I am a hypocrite because I am voting for trump, even though I recognize his ethical lapses. No, I'm saying you're a hypocrite for not recognizing someone can support someone even though they don't agree with 100% of what they do/say. Yes, you view that he has lapses but you can overlook some aspect bc you think the other aspects of him are better than the alternative. Again, does that mean you don't admit that Hilary has ethical lapses? You agree with every single thing she has ever said or done?Abs. not. I don't and have never agreed to everything any politition has ever done. I try to vote for whom I think will most likely support my positions.

I have yet to meet a perfect politician. I have to vote for somebody, I have to vote for the best available fit. Not sure how that makes me a hypocrite.

Neither you nor Spence can bring yourself to admit that she lied about the sniper thing. That is absolutely incredible to me. Is she blackmailing you guys? What do you think would happen, if you said out loud, "yes she is a liar, but I am voting for her, because I like her policies more than those of Trump". I promise, the world will keep spinning if you say that.

NM

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

NM

"I said I didn't think she was a "serial liar".

No, you said you don't know if she lied at all. "who knows if they are lies or what. If you want to call them lies, you can"

What do you call them, out of curiosity?

"She acknowledged her lie"

Where and when did she do that?

"However, his go on and on and on"

And so do her lies. Republicans hate women, blacks, gays, etc, etc, etc. All lies. Have you aver called her on that? You sure don't like it when I paint a large group with a broad brush. Have you ever criticized her for doing it?

I'm not saying I expect liberals not to vote for her. I am saying it would be nice if they'd hold her accountable for her actions, they way they do with Trump. And they don't. In this thread, you are bending over backwards to avoid saying she lied. If being tired leads her to think that a smiling child handing her a flower is actually an enemy sniper, what the hell is going to happen when she gets woken up in the middle of the night to deal with a crisis?

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"I said I didn't think she was a "serial liar".

No, you said you don't know if she lied at all. "who knows if they are lies or what. If you want to call them lies, you can"

Actually, I did say that in post 222 and 228.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Every indep. fact checking org. says Trump has been more dishonest than Hillary (and more than every other Rep. and Dem. candidate and when I've pointed that out in the past you say something along the lines of "Who says they are independent?".

What I say about those studies, is that honesty is a tough thing to quantify. For example, Hilary says all the time that I am anti woman because I am pro life. She says that in just about every speech. Does that get counted among the lies? If not, then who cares what the study concludes? I mean, you can't take a random sample of 50 quotes and determine the % that are lies. You'd have to look at everything they ever said.

Take it from a professional number cruncher...it's not remotely reliable.