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Nice. Pull out the veteran card like he was suppose to know.
Try to discredit people who are old as stupid and you may eat a little crow That's a big problem in America. We don't tap into the vast wealth of knowledge and life experiences our older people have to offer.
Some of us think we are more knowledgable but we are not smarter. There is a difference.
I hear you..I just got back from the hardware store and 3 elderly gentlemen were discussing the bill and Obama and they were pissed off. They were talking about all his lies.. "Worst President ever"..and the guy that said that was like 90.
I'm sure the next sentence was going to be "and the damm government should keep their hands of my medicare"
Nope, he doesn't... but he will and I've acknowledged that he will with:
"When the bill passes and he signs it, then signing off on it is completely on his shoulders, as is his current campaigning for it."
This is no fun!!! No one want's to defend any of this. Isn't this what you Obama lovers wanted???
just wait till next year...VAT tax..they're talking a financial transactions tax, Charlie Wrangle and Geitner are planning to "tweak" the tax code to make sure everyone is paying their fair share even though neither pay their own taxes, amnesty for millions and millions, Cap and Trade, extend unemployment again and again, more stimulus, Card Check, maybe save or create a job or two....hope the Obama's enjoy their Hawiian holiday...seems like they never get away in these difficult financial times when everyone is struggling....
hey, what ever happened to Kawanzaa?...I swear I have not heard the word once this season...don't tell me it's gone the way of Ebonics? I used to think it was cool when the kids came home from school with the Kawanzaa hats...oh well... Happy Kawanzaa to all....and to American Freedom and Liberty...good night...
This is no fun!!! No one want's to defend any of this. Isn't this what you Obama lovers wanted???
Nope.
I wanted what he campaigned on.
Reform, reduced costs and Universal care for minors.
you know what sucks?
It seems to be this or nothing. The republicans had 6 years under bush and it got worse, costs rose, and even more people are unemployed. Now at least something is being tried. If it starts to fail it will get yanked long before the 10 years is up. I know more than a few people on here are uninsured, but according to Scott, if you're under 40, it isn't a big deal. Or was it under 30? or under 25?
regardless. Happy holidays everyone.
Bryan
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"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
Nope.
I wanted what he campaigned on.
Reform, reduced costs and Universal care for minors.
you know what sucks?
It seems to be this or nothing. The republicans had 6 years under bush and it got worse, costs rose, and even more people are unemployed. Now at least something is being tried. If it starts to fail it will get yanked long before the 10 years is up. I know more than a few people on here are uninsured, but according to Scott, if you're under 40, it isn't a big deal. Or was it under 30? or under 25?
I know more than a few people on here are uninsured, but according to Scott, if you're under 40, it isn't a big deal. Or was it under 30? or under 25?
HUH? when did I say that?...aready hittin' the eggnog with visions of Global Warming dancing in your head? I'm buying land in Greenland next year and opening a winery when it melts or collapses, did you know that the Vikings grew some kick ass grapes up there the last time that it melted?
hey Bry...name the last government program that was ever yanked for it's failure or ended after it cured the ill that it was created to solve and promised to resolve
baby's first Christmas is magical...really enjoy it!!!
Nope.
I wanted what he campaigned on.
Reform, reduced costs and Universal care for minors.
you know what sucks?
It seems to be this or nothing. The republicans had 6 years under bush and it got worse, costs rose, and even more people are unemployed. Now at least something is being tried. If it starts to fail it will get yanked long before the 10 years is up. I know more than a few people on here are uninsured, but according to Scott, if you're under 40, it isn't a big deal. Or was it under 30? or under 25?
regardless. Happy holidays everyone.
Not to let a little thing called the Constitution get in the Dems way Brian, but they put wording in the bill to prevent this "something" from being revoked.
Not to let a little thing called the Constitution get in the Dems way Brian, but they put wording in the bill to prevent this "something" from being revoked.
can someone please define for me what "affordable health insurance" would be?
Spence is unhappy with his $13,000 a year policy(how much of that do you pay Spence?)
Jimmy's mom was admirably willing to work her butt off to provide their health care insurance for her famly while many would rather complain and whine for divine government intervention rather than put down their cell phone, turn off their big screen, down size their vehical or give up any other lifestyle amenity because they believe someone else should bear the costs of their healthcare and/or insurance
Joe thinks everything would be better if we had affordable insurance..is that 100/month?....300/month?...does this include all the healthcare that you desire and require, dental, specialists, perscriptions, marriage counseling and sex change operations? etc...
seems to me the folks that have the best health insurance situation...government workers, unions ..find themselves complaining about having to pay "COPAYS" !!!!!
so, what exactly is affordable? how much do you want for little or nothing out of your own pocket ?
and even if you get it for little or nothing, will you still be unhappy?
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Edit...ScottW I don't need or want any handouts I just want them to fix this bloated %$%$%$%$ed up broken system they have right now.
I wasn't suggesting that Salty...much of the problem with the system is government involvement currently, RI has I believe more than 1000 mandates for coverage and requirements for h-ins companies presently, as a result there are only 3 providers in RI...many states will not let you purchase catastrophic policies which I believe are the most sensible solution...I've had one for years, I mentioned this before..my family of 5 premium is 300 per month...I pay out of pocket for checkups, dentist, perscriptions up to a max deductible and still come out far ahead after many years of paying BC/BS individually...I spent this morning "shopping" for an abdominal CT scan for my wife... I spoke to the head of the department at Newport Hospital regarding his fee for reading the catscan, when he found out that we were self pay he reduced the cost by 50%...we found the same to be true with the scan itself....I'm not done "shopping" because there are scores of facitities within 50 miles that provide that service at many different prices...few people ever consider what these things cost, they simply pull out their card and someone else takes care of everything...with that reality it's hard to complain when you think that things have gone amuck, in some cases you have no choice but to head right to the emergency room...but in most cases you could absolutely shop around for a doctor that you liked/preferred and felt was not robbing you if you actually had the incentive, you don't with most insurance these days because you purchase through someone else like an employer, a policy that includes for more coverage than you will ever require because they are in most cases mandated to include scores of things by the state....if you purchased individually a policy with things that you felt were necessary and didn't expect an insurance policy to pay for every little bit of medical attention as well as anything that could somehow be construed as medical care(botox, viagara) you'd be far better off and you'd have far more freedom to "shop" for what is best for your particular situation...
in my opinion far too many people now assume that healhcare as well as insurance and medical services are just something that someone else should be paying for, providing and taking care of all of the nasty paperwork so that they may use it at will...
when I say "you"...I'm not saying..you Salty...just you...anyone you..
Stop the frivolous lawsuits, and give actual US citizens matching funds dollar for dollar that they put away in a tax free Health savings plan. and also along the same standards as EIC, give lower income families a 5,000 tax credit each year for their health savings account, then each family only pay for a low cost catastrophic plan to cover the major crisis like cancer.
Many doctor visits and hospital visits are up to 40% cheaper if you pay cash, with these accounts they could pay up front for additional saving..
This simple plan would work and cost way less than the public option.
Of course this health savings account cannot be used for anything not medically related.
How come in the US we pay 6000-10000 for a stent, but in other countries it is like 1000-2000? There is something wrong with that. There is something wrong wrong with the health care system, when in the us an MRI cost 1200, but in Japan it is only 98 bucks. We are subsidizing everyone.
How come in the US we pay 6000-10000 for a stent, but in other countries it is like 1000-2000? There is something wrong with that. There is something wrong wrong with the health care system, when in the us an MRI cost 1200, but in Japan it is only 98 bucks. We are subsidizing everyone.
How come in the US we pay 6000-10000 for a stent, but in other countries it is like 1000-2000? There is something wrong with that. There is something wrong wrong with the health care system, when in the us an MRI cost 1200, but in Japan it is only 98 bucks. We are subsidizing everyone.
I find it interesting that the Japanese make HC "more affordable" by having a government version of "out of pocket" payment (Charge what payer can afford or go out of business). The gov. is a proxy representative of all the individual payers and insurance companies (of which there are many) and states this is what we can afford to pay. Accept it, or go out of business. What a concept!
As for Japan's best-in-world macro health indicators (infant mortality and longevity), it is demonstrably because of their lifestyle, homegeneous culture and lack of immigration problems, etc., NOT because of health care. Their need of health care is less pressing than U.S. citizens who are rather careless, in general, about their health, and who are a far more diverse, uncontrolled population. But survival rates of those undergoing U.S. medical procedures is tops.
Ikegami favors socialistic over market approach to HC only because, in his opinion, HC is a life and death situation. Actually, most HC is not, and what is could be covered by various private ins. cos.--catastrophic, health savings, etc.
Amazing that only 70% of Japanese favor the universal package--80% of US are happy with what they have.
$5,000 instead of earned income credit, deposited directly into their Health Saving Account, that can be accessed only via an ATM like card that is valid only at medical facilities.
Conservatism is not about leaving people behind. Conservatism is about empowering people to catch up, to give them tools at their disposal that make it possible for them to access all the hope, all the promise, all the opportunity that America offers. - Marco Rubio
Once in a while I've been able to sneak an article past someone that didn't know about The Onion.
You know that there are people who would believe this if you presented it to them. Probably no one in here, but plenty of people that don't spend most of their free time on fishing websites.
Conservatism is not about leaving people behind. Conservatism is about empowering people to catch up, to give them tools at their disposal that make it possible for them to access all the hope, all the promise, all the opportunity that America offers. - Marco Rubio
You know that there are people who would believe this if you presented it to them. Probably no one in here, but plenty of people that don't spend most of their free time on fishing websites.
Absolutely. There are a large number of people that check this forum but never post. I'm sure at least one of them was fooled.
I guess I should be saving for my health care taxes rather than my biodiesel plant,
Big business strikes again. How many healthcare lobbyists per member? of congress 4?
That's a big problem in America. We don't tap into the vast wealth of knowledge and life experiences our older people have to offer.
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