Truth and trust abandoned...

[Pete F.]

Can you imagine how many similar calls on other issues happened over the past four years that weren’t recorded.
It’s amazing how similar this call is to the “beautiful” call that caused his impeachment.
That’s the pattern of corruption that Trumplicans want to either turn a blind eye to or wholeheartedly support.

Because “I know the tape is bad, and vaccination is behind schedule and we’re going to pass 400,000 deaths (!) by Inauguration Day, but just remember how high the corporate tax rate used to be and how much lower it is now. And the judges.....”
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Can you imagine how many similar calls on other issues happened over the past four years that weren’t recorded.

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probably thousands...you should investigate..let us know what you find out...keep it brief

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

probably thousands...you should investigate..let us know what you find out...keep it brief

Don't need them at this point.

The lowest predicate for opening an FBI investigation is whether there is "information or an allegation" that a person has violated federal law. The higher standard is whether there are "specific articulable facts" that a person has violated federal law. Both have been met with this call.

And it's not just Tweety that's indictable, you think the other people on the call who kept speaking up are willing to go to jail for him?

In the Nixon adminstration there were 69 people indicted and 48 people—many of them top administration officials—were convicted.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Don't need them at this point.

The lowest predicate for opening an FBI investigation is whether there is "information or an allegation" that a person has violated federal law. The higher standard is whether there are "specific articulable facts" that a person has violated federal law. Both have been met with this call.

And it's not just Tweety that's indictable, you think the other people on the call who kept speaking up are willing to go to jail for him?

In the Nixon adminstration there were 69 people indicted and 48 people—many of them top administration officials—were convicted.

keep hope alive pete...

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

keep hope alive pete...

Silly troll, Tweety lost and he's just trying to avoid the inevitable.

It's important to remember that investigating and prosecuting are two different things. There may be reasons that Biden's AG choose not to prosecute Tweety for crimes he may have committed, taking into account various factors -- that is prosecutorial discretion.
But the FBI is duty-bound to investigate violations of federal law if they have any basis to believe that a crime has occurred. they don't get to pick and choose. This was articulated in the Mueller Report, in explaining why they investigated obstruction even though they knew that DOJ policy would prevent them from bringing charges against a sitting President: They needed to gather evidence while it was available, and memories still fresh. Then it was up to a future AG, or Congress, to decide.
Remember that if the FBI investigates, they will interview everyone. And unlike in Mueller's investigation, Tweety's attorneys and pals won't have a get out of jail free card if they lie to the FBI...because Tweety isn't going to be President after Jan. 20.
Although: One thing to keep an eye out for, in light of the above, is whether Tweety's pardoning spree in the home stretch will include the lawyers and staff who were on this call with him.
P.S. Tweety can't pardon future crimes, so none of these people can be pardoned for lying to the FBI before they do it. But he can pardon them for any (federal) crimes they might be liable for in participating on the call.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Silly troll, Tweety lost and he's just trying to avoid the inevitable.

It's important to remember that investigating and prosecuting are two different things. There may be reasons that Biden's AG choose not to prosecute Tweety for crimes he may have committed, taking into account various factors -- that is prosecutorial discretion.
But the FBI is duty-bound to investigate violations of federal law if they have any basis to believe that a crime has occurred. they don't get to pick and choose. This was articulated in the Mueller Report, in explaining why they investigated obstruction even though they knew that DOJ policy would prevent them from bringing charges against a sitting President: They needed to gather evidence while it was available, and memories still fresh. Then it was up to a future AG, or Congress, to decide.
Remember that if the FBI investigates, they will interview everyone. And unlike in Mueller's investigation, Tweety's attorneys and pals won't have a get out of jail free card if they lie to the FBI...because Tweety isn't going to be President after Jan. 20.
Although: One thing to keep an eye out for, in light of the above, is whether Tweety's pardoning spree in the home stretch will include the lawyers and staff who were on this call with him.
P.S. Tweety can't pardon future crimes, so none of these people can be pardoned for lying to the FBI before they do it. But he can pardon them for any (federal) crimes they might be liable for in participating on the call.

Please keep your lectures brief. Nobody actually cares what you 🤔
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

surely they'll all be arrested
spoken like a true totalitarian....
just imagine how many votes biden would have gotten if not for the republicans preventing all of those people from voting and if trump hadn't killed all those people with covid...probably 100 million plus!!
then, as with your countless other predictions of him being put in handcuffs for one thing or another...it's should be any moment now
you need some new material...they already tried the phone call thing....the "497 former experts of something or other signed a letter" thing has been done a million times....it's like they just recycle the narratives and the sheep gobble it up and regurgitate it..next you'll claim the russians are taking over the country.....lighten up...redecorate the bunker for 2021 pete(or is it 2121?)...have a little fun....if all that you claim is true nothing can or will come of what you currently fret about and they'll drag trump out of the whitehouse one way or another in short order and biden will lead us to victory
why?...this will be a fun week
so bitter
probably thousands...you should investigate..let us know what you find out...keep it brief
keep hope alive pete..
Please keep your lectures brief. Nobody actually cares what you 🤔
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Sure Troll

So many parts of the tape evidence Tweety’s criminal intent:
-lies, and no facts, to support demands
-seeking to find the precise number of votes to win (vs impartial scrub of votes)
-reminding Secretary he’s a Republican (how is that relevant?)
-reminding him of criminal consequences