House to vote on impeachment

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

From the Guy who dismissed sexual abuse complaints..
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and the evidence of that is????

school hired a team of lawyers who interviewed hundreds of people, there was zero evidence that Jordan knew what was going on. there are two lawsuits that claim he knew. but no evidence yet.

your standards for what constitutes evidence of wrongdoing are quite, shall we say, flexible, aren’t they? depending upon the politics?
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

and the evidence of that is????

school hired a team of lawyers who interviewed hundreds of people, there was zero evidence that Jordan knew what was going on. there are two lawsuits that claim he knew. but no evidence yet.

your standards for what constitutes evidence of wrongdoing are quite, shall we say, flexible, aren’t they? depending upon the politics?
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In fact the law firm said that it was common knowledge amongst everyone there at the time that the perv. was doing stuff (jerking off in the shower, etc). Jordan was not named.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

In fact the law firm said that it was common knowledge amongst everyone there at the time that the perv. was doing stuff (jerking off in the shower, etc). Jordan was not named.

Where the hell else is he supposed to jerk-off??

Geesh, talk about Nit-picking
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Where the hell else is he supposed to jerk-off??

Geesh, talk about Nit-picking
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Tissue - like every other man in America.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

In fact the law firm said that it was common knowledge amongst everyone there at the time that the perv. was doing stuff (jerking off in the shower, etc). Jordan was not named.

the report said one person ( not jordan) knew, didn’t conclude
anyone else knew.

that is known as legally innocent.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

the report said one person ( not jordan) knew, didn’t conclude
anyone else knew.

that is known as legally innocent.
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Seems like based on the following people should be examining Jordan.


A professional referee says in a lawsuit filed Thursday that disgraced doctor Richard Strauss masturbated in front of him in a shower after a wrestling match at Ohio State University, and that he reported the encounter directly to Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, who was then the assistant coach.


John Doe 42 is the second person to say he told Jordan directly about either being approached or molested by Strauss, who was found by independent investigators to have sexually abused 177 male students over two decades.

Other former Ohio State wrestlers have said Jordan had to know about Strauss because he shared a locker room with them and took part in discussions about the doctor, who died in 2005.

An investigation commissioned by the university and conducted by the Perkins Coie law firm found that what Strauss was doing was an “open secret” and that the coaches and administrators at Ohio State knew for two decades that the doctor was abusing students but failed to stop him, according to a report released in May

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

and the evidence of that is????

school hired a team of lawyers who interviewed hundreds of people, there was zero evidence that Jordan knew what was going on. there are two lawsuits that claim he knew. but no evidence yet.

your standards for what constitutes evidence of wrongdoing are quite, shall we say, flexible, aren’t they? depending upon the politics?
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Knew that would get your attention and run to his defense ..

Yet we have had several people interviewed about Trumps doings . And your talk to me about standards of evidence.. lol....
So seeing Jordan didnt witness the abuse 1st hand but heard about , he bears no responsiblity..
Heres the lastest i am sure its a dem lead smear campaign against Jordan
8 nov 2019

A college wrestling referee claimed in a new lawsuit that he told Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, and another coach two decades ago that an Ohio State University team doctor had masturbated in the shower in front of him.
But Jordan, who at the time was an assistant Ohio State wrestling coach, and then OSU head coach Russ Hellickson just shrugged off the shocking claim about Dr. Richard Strauss, the suit says.
Jordan and Hellickson responded, "Yeah, that's Strauss," according to the lawsuit filed Thursday in federal court in Columbus, Ohio.

I would think he would be a mandated reporter a person who, because of his or her profession, (coach) is legally required to report any suspicion of child abuse or neglect to the relevant authorities.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Knew that would get your attention and run to his defense ..

Yet we have had several people interviewed about Trumps doings . And your talk to me about standards of evidence.. lol....
So seeing Jordan didnt witness the abuse 1st hand but heard about , he bears no responsiblity..
Heres the lastest i am sure its a dem lead smear campaign against Jordan
8 nov 2019

A college wrestling referee claimed in a new lawsuit that he told Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, and another coach two decades ago that an Ohio State University team doctor had masturbated in the shower in front of him.
But Jordan, who at the time was an assistant Ohio State wrestling coach, and then OSU head coach Russ Hellickson just shrugged off the shocking claim about Dr. Richard Strauss, the suit says.
Jordan and Hellickson responded, "Yeah, that's Strauss," according to the lawsuit filed Thursday in federal court in Columbus, Ohio.

I would think he would be a mandated reporter a person who, because of his or her profession, (coach) is legally required to report any suspicion of child abuse or neglect to the relevant authorities.
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gibberish.

there’s zero evidence, zero, that jordan knew what was happening. but he’s conservative, so an allegation is enough for
you to convict.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

gibberish.

there’s zero evidence, zero, that jordan knew what was happening. but he’s conservative, so an allegation is enough for
you to convict.
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There is far, far more evidence that Jordan knew than there is evidence J. Biden did anything wrong w/Burisma and H. Biden. There are people who are claiming they have first hand evidence that Jordan was told and did nothing.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

gibberish.

there’s zero evidence, zero, that jordan knew what was happening. but he’s conservative, so an allegation is enough for
you to convict.
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How did I know you were going to land on were picking on him cuz hes a Republican

Just pointing out you dont need to see or witness wrong doings to have an idea somethings not right... in ohio or the whitehouse
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[Pete F.]

Don't get lost in the other guy with anger issues, that is the goal of injecting him into the hearing.

Meanwhile, in the House, the evidence from the Roger Stone hearing is attracting attention. When it rains, it pours.......

The House of Representatives is now investigating whether President Donald Trump lied to special counsel Robert Mueller in written answers he provided in the Russia investigation, the House's general counsel said in federal court Monday.

"Did the President lie? Was the President not truthful in his responses to the Mueller investigation?" House general counsel Douglas Letter told the US Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit about why the House now needs access to grand jury material Mueller collected in his investigation.

[Got Stripers]

Going to be another rough week for the GOP and I hope Trump has a good supply of Cheetos for all the “executive” time when he’s not (wink-wink) watching the testimony’s of the never Trumpers.
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[wdmso]

so far its all been The Bidens were up to no good in Ukraine and Ukraine was against Trump ,,

and that bursma was left out of the official Transcript of the call???


and Tump again can't help himself


In Sunday tweet, Trump resurfaced an unfounded accusation he has raised against other officials who have testified in the probe, characterizing Williams as a Never Trumper.... this defense only seems to work for his base

[wdmso]

just saw this

On the eve of Vindman's testimony, Republican Senator Ron Johnson issued an 11-page letter to top Republicans, suggesting the Purple Heart recipient may have participated "in the ongoing effort to sabotage" Trump's policies "and if possible, remove him from office".

do the conspiracy ever stop

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

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"in the ongoing effort to sabotage" Trump's policies "and if possible, remove him from office".

no surprise here

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

no surprise here

To bad getting dirt for ones self Aka Trump from the Ukraines isn't . US policy
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

A college wrestling referee claimed in a new lawsuit that he told Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, and another coach two decades ago that an Ohio State University team doctor had masturbated in the shower in front of him.
But Jordan, who at the time was an assistant Ohio State wrestling coach, and then OSU head coach Russ Hellickson just shrugged off the shocking claim about Dr. Richard Strauss, the suit says.
Jordan and Hellickson responded, "Yeah, that's Strauss,"

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Jordan's response was a prescient understanding of a newly discovered gender--penist exhibitionist. It is a condition that has long manifested itself throughout human history, but has not been understood and has wrongly been condemned as an anti-social act and punished by harsh penalties that merely exacerbate the inherent need to share ones identity with other human beings. It is understood by the penist exhibistionist (a corollary gender also exists, vulvatist exhibitionist) as an act of love, and suppressing or punishing this genetic drive is a cruel and unnecessary criminalization which deprives innocent humans of actuating and expressing their gender identity. Gender studies experts believe that rather than punishing the behavior, it should be socialized by providing various safe-type spaces where it can be more humanely practiced.

[Pete F.]

Jim Jordan says the Mueller investigation came back with nothing, which is an interesting way to characterize multiple, well-evidenced allegations of obstruction of justice by the President & plenty of evidence of contacts between the campaign & Russia.

The Stone trial testimony shows that Floridaman likely perjured himself in his written take home “test”imony
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[scottw]

democraps got nothin'....this is great...hope it never ends

[Sea Dangles]

Prepare yourselves for more nothing.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Prepare yourselves for more nothing.
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Yes Republicans have presented nothing you are correct . And I expect more of the Same
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[Pete F.]

WILLIAMS: The call was unusual, political, surprising. Never seen anything like it.

VINDMAN: The call was inappropriate. Never seen anything like it.

GOP: See! They don't agree! And they won't say "bribery"!

ALL ATTORNEYS in the world: Uh, these are fact witnesses. That's not their role.

Every GOP defense today was a lie, a misstatement of evidence, a deliberate obfuscation, a slander, the creation of a false distinction, a misapplication of legal principles, or deceit about how due process works.
That is not how criminal defense works.

The Trumplicans never refuted a single point.

If it was a criminal defense, you would have a "theory of the case." Every question develops and brings forward that theory. I've watched/listened to these hearings and there is no Trumplican theory here. They're just throwing smoke grenades everywhere, like Floridaman with a sideshow of Gym Jordan screaming verbiage loud and fast.

What were Trumplicans trying to tell America about Vindman? Is he a liar? A bad soldier? A spy? A man with poor memory? No one watching these hearings could have any idea. Or see how any of these create a theory of the case or any semblance thereof. And that's because the Trumplicans don't have any defense at all.

Even if you claim Trumplicans weren't trying to defend Floridaman, but merely hurling political rhetoric during an impeachment, how is it politically wise to falsely claim that a decorated American soldier somehow is disloyal to America? Who's desperately looking for that case to be made? A little projection from Floridaman, perhaps?

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Yes Republicans have presented nothing you are correct . And I expect more of the Same
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There is no reason to do so. I hope you are joking.
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[Pete F.]

The facts so far establish that Floridaman used his office to try and secure his own power in 2020.

He did this in a way that undermined the written national security policy of the United States, which he signed, as well as the interests of the American people.

There is no alternative version of events offered by Trumplicans.

The only Trumplican argument left is: You can’t make us care what Floridaman did and he can do whatever he wants as President.

If “we don't care” is an entire political party’s view of a sitting President asking a foreign power to interfere in our elections, then something has gone very, very wrong.

And the problem does not stop with Floridaman.

Will the next election be decided by whomever receives the best dirt on their opponent by saying "If you're listening, give me some dirt on my opponent and you will be very well rewarded.
Russia, I'll give you Ukraine and Finland
China, you'll get Taiwan
Israel, we already gave you the West Bank, produce already.

[scottw]

nobody cares, even the networks are bailing on this joke

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

There is no reason to do so. I hope you are joking.
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OMG Devin Nunes has done nothing but cry on national television, you guys should be embarrassed

and of course Trumpists to Alexander Vindman: ‘#^&#^&#^&#^& You for Your Service’

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

and of course Trumpists to Alexander Vindman: ‘#^&#^&#^&#^& You for Your Service’

so are you suggesting that if someone serves in the military they can never be questioned for the rest of their life?

[wdmso]

Nunes closing statements
Another embarrassment. For a member of congress
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[Pete F.]

CASTRO: Putting President Trump aside, do you believe that it is proper for any president…to ask a foreign govt. to investigate a U.S. citizen, and specifically a U.S. citizen that could be a political rival?

VOLKER: I don't believe it is appropriate

MORRISON: I agree
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

CASTRO: Putting President Trump aside, do you believe that it is proper for any president…to ask a foreign govt. to investigate a U.S. citizen, and specifically a U.S. citizen that could be a political rival?

VOLKER: I don't believe it is appropriate

MORRISON: I agree
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Phew . . . good thing there were more questions and answers than that.