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[Pete F.]

It was Horowitz that made the criminal referral.

Horowitz also said the FISA warrant was sufficiently predicated without this lie.

Question for you and Barr: how are Flynn’s confessed lies to the FBI (repeated to the VP) not a crime, but Clinesmith changing an email (the full version of which he also sent to DOJ) is?
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

It was Horowitz that made the criminal referral.

Horowitz also said the FISA warrant was sufficiently predicated without this lie.

Question for you and Barr: how are Flynn’s confessed lies to the FBI (repeated to the VP) not a crime, but Clinesmith changing an email (the full version of which he also sent to DOJ) is?
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Clinesmith wasn't under a phony investigation for the purpose of removing him from a position in the Trump administsration and when found to have done nothing wrong was coerced under duress into a process crime, perjury trap, "lie," which he later denies and fought against in court. But that served the original purpose of getting rid of him.

Rather, Clinesmith committed an uninstigated, unforced, uncoerced crime that was not strictly and only a result of the process of convicting him, but was the causal, willful. conscious, and intentional committing of a crime for the specific purpose of illegally affecting an investigation in order to bring down a presidency.

Clinesmith's "lie" was not a statement or plea deal to avoid some penalty, it was an act of unprovoked sabotage. Flynn had committed no crime before his coerced process "lie." Clinesmith "lie" was not a lie of process but the original act of deliberate sabotage. And your framing it as a lie is a semantic way of trying to create some sort of equivalence.

[Pete F.]

Nobody forced Flynn to lie, he made that choice.

You and the rest of the Tweety's henchmen are the predictable ones. Russian active measures for Tweety have been proven. Tweety's campaign actively trying to capitalize on Russian efforts AND obstruction of justice also proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

The FBI attorney is pleading guilty today to precise conduct described in IG report, which we already knew was basis of criminal exposure and which in no way supports the Tweetyworld claim of a Deep State conspiracy.

See Page 250 of the IG report. Nothing in this is new, nothing suggests that this is implicating others to save himself. It is just the identical facts and you are pretending as if it's a shocking revelation.

https://www.justice.gov/storage/120919-examination.pdf

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Nobody forced Flynn to lie, he made that choice.

I didn't say he was forced. I said he was coerced. Coercion doesn't necessarily denote or imply force.
Coercion: The intimidation of a victim to compel the individual to do some act against his or her will by the use of psychological pressure, physical force, or threats.

You and the rest of the Tweety's henchmen are the predictable ones. Russian active measures for Tweety have been proven. Tweety's campaign actively trying to capitalize on Russian efforts AND obstruction of justice also proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

The FBI attorney is pleading guilty today to precise conduct described in IG report, which we already knew was basis of criminal exposure and which in no way supports the Tweetyworld claim of a Deep State conspiracy.

See Page 250 of the IG report. Nothing in this is new, nothing suggests that this is implicating others to save himself. It is just the identical facts and you are pretending as if it's a shocking revelation.

https://www.justice.gov/storage/120919-examination.pdf

Oh, but that's all old news. No big deal. We already knew that stuff. And some of it is fake like "obstruction of justice also proven beyond a reasonable doubt."

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

didn't say he was forced. I said he was coerced. Coercion doesn't necessarily denote or imply force.
Coercion: The intimidation of a victim to compel the individual to do some act against his or her will by the use of psychological pressure, physical force, or threats.
Oh, but that's all old news. No big deal. We already knew that stuff. And some of it is fake like "obstruction of justice also proven beyond a reasonable doubt."

So it’s kinda like what Tweety did to Zelensky, just a quid pro quo
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

So it’s kinda like what Tweety did to Zelensky, just a quid pro quo
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No