More red state Idiocy

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Yeah that's exactly what we are saying, my goodness Jim you are amazing at reading in between the lines and creating your own narrative out of thin air. By the way I was talking about the validity of being able to arm civilians with weapons of war, in order to create a militia of equal fire power to what might come from foreign enemies, but you as usual wanted to take the discussion where you wanted it to go.

"keep and bear" arms" Does this sound like the writers of the Constitution meant that the people should individually have cannons in their homes or battleships and tanks stored in their yards or even the latest fighter jets?

That would be a scary sight to see a hundred men coming at you as they each carried a howitzer and a tank on their shoulders to accompany their rifles. Even one such guy would be frightening.

It sounds more, as they explicitly said, as the right to own arms that you can carry such as an "assault rifle" or semi-automatic hand gun or some type of military looking knife.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

"keep and bear" arms" Does this sound like the writers of the Constitution meant that the people should individually have cannons in their homes or battleships and tanks stored in their yards or even the latest fighter jets?

That would be a scary sight to see a hundred men coming at you as they each carried a howitzer and a tank on their shoulders to accompany their rifles. Even one such guy would be frightening.

It sounds more, as they explicitly said, as the right to own arms that you can carry such as an "assault rifle" or semi-automatic hand gun or some type of military looking knife.

So you’re doing exactly what I said I originalist do make it up to fit what you want it to fit

You’re a few more examples of why is a lazy position


1. Originalism reduces the likelihood the judiciary will create law, a duty of the legislative branch. [History shows that originalist judges can be as activist as non-originalist judges]

2. Non-originalism leads to judges using their own personal values as opposed to the law. [Yet, originalist judges apply their personal opinions about the intent of the framers.]

3. Originalism allows voters to amend their Constitution when necessary to change the law. [An extremely difficult, time consuming task, that forces the population to suffer bad law for an extended time]

4. Originalism strengthens the Constitution as a binding contract. [Circular thinking. It’s a binding contract only if the citizens agree on the original intent.]

5. Originalism forces lawmakers to avoid creating bad laws, rather than leaving them to the courts to amend. [Good hypothesis; bad reality. It has done no such thing.]

The correct name for originalism is ”The Historian’s Fallacy” – “a logical fallacy that occurs when one assumes decision makers of the past viewed events from the same perspective and having the same information as those subsequently analyzing the decision.”


Such as an arm is is an arm is a arm .. the only people contesting the meaning of armed are the 2a fanatics .any weapon any time or place with out restrictions or limitations.. and this new interpretation is less than 35 years old ? Go figure
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

So you’re doing exactly what I said I originalist do make it up to fit what you want it to fit

You’re a few more examples of why is a lazy position


1. Originalism reduces the likelihood the judiciary will create law, a duty of the legislative branch. [History shows that originalist judges can be as activist as non-originalist judges]

2. Non-originalism leads to judges using their own personal values as opposed to the law. [Yet, originalist judges apply their personal opinions about the intent of the framers.]

3. Originalism allows voters to amend their Constitution when necessary to change the law. [An extremely difficult, time consuming task, that forces the population to suffer bad law for an extended time]

4. Originalism strengthens the Constitution as a binding contract. [Circular thinking. It’s a binding contract only if the citizens agree on the original intent.]

5. Originalism forces lawmakers to avoid creating bad laws, rather than leaving them to the courts to amend. [Good hypothesis; bad reality. It has done no such thing.]

The correct name for originalism is ”The Historian’s Fallacy” – “a logical fallacy that occurs when one assumes decision makers of the past viewed events from the same perspective and having the same information as those subsequently analyzing the decision.”


Such as an arm is is an arm is a arm .. the only people contesting the meaning of armed are the 2a fanatics .any weapon any time or place with out restrictions or limitations.. and this new interpretation is less than 35 years old ? Go figure
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you want judges making laws? that’s not why they exist. that’s why legislatures exist.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

you want judges making laws? that’s not why they exist. that’s why legislatures exist.

Jim clearly you don’t understand that laws are not written to address every eventuality

So you love when the right uses obscure the 1873 Comstock Act — to try to prohibit most mailing of abortion medications or supplies,

So you want a judge to rule on what’s written ? It makes no sense

All judges. Originalist or not always include their interpretations of the law into their decisions.

To think otherwise is just absurd.

The problem arises when Judges only use their personal beliefs and perceptions as the main ingredient in their decisions.

And Partisan elections make that happen ,

partisan elections are held to select most or all judges in 13 States and for some judges in an additional 8 States. Nonpartisan elections are held to select most or all judges in 17 States and for some judges in an additional 3 States. One-half of the States hold elections for State supreme court judges. Seventeen States out of the 32 which have intermediate appellate courts elect judges to these courts.

Partisan elections for judges you should be more concerned with that most Americans don’t think that’s how it work

The race between Gustafson and Brown was the most expensive judicial election in the state’s history, with more than $1.5 million spent independently by interest groups. Conservative groups invested heavily to support Brown, who identified as a “constitutional conservative” and said that Republican Gov. Greg Gianforte asked him to run for the seat. Ads by both Brown and supportive groups attacked Gustafson as unethical and anti-business and sought to tie her to President Biden.

Buying judges or pleasing constituents is all that partisan election are good for …. The Law suffers

and look what states love doing it that way

Alabama
Illinois
Louisiana
New Mexico
North Carolina
Ohio
Pennsylvania
Texas (two courts)

[wdmso]

At least 9 GOP-led state legislatures want to restrict or criminalize drag shows


Yep that’s the real threat to America Youth !
Firearms recently became the number one cause of death for children in the United States, surpassing motor vehicle deaths and those caused by other injuries.

But those Drag queens are down right Dangerous

Funny my examples of Red state idiocy is Government Driven and current events

Blue State examples are unelected people’s views. And old news ?


And don’t forget get marjorie taylor greene on display at state of the union last night.

she made Jerry springer proud

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

At least 9 GOP-led state legislatures want to restrict or criminalize drag shows


Yep that’s the real threat to America Youth !
Firearms recently became the number one cause of death for children in the United States, surpassing motor vehicle deaths and those caused by other injuries.

But those Drag queens are down right Dangerous

Funny my examples of Red state idiocy is Government Driven and current events

Blue State examples are unelected people’s views. And old news ?


And don’t forget get marjorie taylor greene on display at state of the union last night.

she made Jerry springer proud

do any of those states want to ban all drag shows? or only for kids?

i’m against total bans. i’m fine with banning kids from them.

“that’s the real threat to american youth.”

no, the real threat to american youth is lousy parents, and the internet, and fentanyl, and gang violence for youth in cities. the liberal plan for those risks, is to ignore them.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

At least 9 GOP-led state legislatures want to restrict or criminalize drag shows


Yep that’s the real threat to America Youth !
Firearms recently became the number one cause of death for children in the United States, surpassing motor vehicle deaths and those caused by other injuries.

But those Drag queens are down right Dangerous

Funny my examples of Red state idiocy is Government Driven and current events

Blue State examples are unelected people’s views. And old news ?


And don’t forget get marjorie taylor greene on display at state of the union last night.

she made Jerry springer proud

"But those Drag queens are down right Dangerous"

Right. The real danger we should focus on, is bathrooms that allow girls but not boys.

"Blue State examples are unelected people’s views. And old news ?"

You want current blue state lunacy? California giving us Kamala Harris. Democrats saying its disqualifying that Santos lied, but no big deal that Warren, Biden, Schiff, Blumenthal lie. Telling Americans that cops are the problem in the city. Voting against giving medical care to babies bornin alive. All lunacy. All current.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"But those Drag queens are down right Dangerous"

Right. The real danger we should focus on, is bathrooms that allow girls but not boys.

"Blue State examples are unelected people’s views. And old news ?"

You want current blue state lunacy? California giving us Kamala Harris. Democrats saying its disqualifying that Santos lied, but no big deal that Warren, Biden, Schiff, Blumenthal lie. Telling Americans that cops are the problem in the city. Voting against giving medical care to babies bornin alive. All lunacy. All current.

Poor #^&#^&#^&#^&tim
You suck up every single right wing trope.

Luckily the rest of Americans aren’t as psychotic as you, contrary to Sarah Sanders faceplant last night.

That’s why while Joe Biden was wiping the floor with Republican tears in his State of the Union Address, Pennsylvania Democrats took back state House control with three special election wins.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Jim clearly you don’t understand that laws are not written to address every eventuality

So you love when the right uses obscure the 1873 Comstock Act — to try to prohibit most mailing of abortion medications or supplies,

So you want a judge to rule on what’s written ? It makes no sense

All judges. Originalist or not always include their interpretations of the law into their decisions.

To think otherwise is just absurd.

The problem arises when Judges only use their personal beliefs and perceptions as the main ingredient in their decisions.

And Partisan elections make that happen ,

partisan elections are held to select most or all judges in 13 States and for some judges in an additional 8 States. Nonpartisan elections are held to select most or all judges in 17 States and for some judges in an additional 3 States. One-half of the States hold elections for State supreme court judges. Seventeen States out of the 32 which have intermediate appellate courts elect judges to these courts.

Partisan elections for judges you should be more concerned with that most Americans don’t think that’s how it work

The race between Gustafson and Brown was the most expensive judicial election in the state’s history, with more than $1.5 million spent independently by interest groups. Conservative groups invested heavily to support Brown, who identified as a “constitutional conservative” and said that Republican Gov. Greg Gianforte asked him to run for the seat. Ads by both Brown and supportive groups attacked Gustafson as unethical and anti-business and sought to tie her to President Biden.

Buying judges or pleasing constituents is all that partisan election are good for …. The Law suffers

and look what states love doing it that way

Alabama
Illinois
Louisiana
New Mexico
North Carolina
Ohio
Pennsylvania
Texas (two courts)

wayne clearly you never gut above an F in middle school
civics.

Legislatures exist to write laws.

what’s absurd to me, is that any supreme court judge could say with a straight face, that the right to protection against illegal search and seizure, applies to a woman’s right to abortion.

that’s judicial activism. Which you were always in favor of, i til conservatives took a majority.

Well wayne, what’s good for the goose…