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spence · 11-05-2020, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Agreed 100%. I'm responding to the kooks here who believe that overall case counts are all that matter.

I don't know anyone who thinks overall case counts are all that matter. Positivity rate is a big factor. You would think that with increased testing the positivity rate would be going down if the virus was under control but it's actually going up which is really bad.

Pete F. · 11-05-2020, 10:22 AM

And soon to come, COVID-19 as a pre-existing condition
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Pete F. · 11-05-2020, 11:03 AM

You have to do testing along with tracking, isolation, hygiene and social distancing.

It has worked here in Vermont, even though there are some idiots around.

The magic vaccine will take awhile to arrive and longer yet to reduce the infections to a manageable level.

“It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear” is baloney.

If and that is a big if, we make a concerted effort it will likely take a year.

Pete F. · 11-05-2020, 11:35 AM

Pretty hard to have one without the other.
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Jim in CT · 11-05-2020, 05:33 PM

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Pretty hard to have one without the other.
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That's brilliant.

You are looking for any statistic that trends bad, and holding that up as the definitive indicator.

How do you not have an increase in cases, as you expand testing? That's not a bad thing, is it?

liberal=good, conservative=bad, no exceptions, not ever.

scottw · 11-05-2020, 06:46 PM

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liberal=good, conservative=bad, pete=crazy no exceptions, not ever.

fixed it

detbuch · 11-05-2020, 05:19 PM

Covid immune response faster and stronger post-infection, scientists say:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...Mp?ocid=msnews

detbuch · 11-05-2020, 05:25 PM

The World Health Organization (WHO) in Europe on Thursday said it was seeing an "explosion" of coronavirus cases in the region and warned of a "tough time" ahead as mortality rates rose.

Europe spans 53 countries, including Russia and countries in Central Asia, and on Thursday reported a total of over 12 million cases in the region, with nearly two million in the last seven days.
"We do see an explosion.... in the sense it only takes a couple of days to have over the European region an increase of one million cases," WHO's regional director for Europe Hans Kluge told AFP.

Pete F. · 11-05-2020, 07:17 PM

If Fox was still behind Trump, I'd be intensely concerned and predicting dire days ahead.

But since they're not, I'm only a little concerned. And most of my horror is for the long-term institutional damage that he's inflicting through his efforts to undermine American democracy.

Just keep loving him
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wdmso · 11-07-2020, 08:12 AM

Jim haven't you told us you work with liabilitie insurance

If you used what ever model they use to forcast risk any increase in infection is
Naturally going to show an increase in deaths. That the law of probability

Its not a 1 to 1 ratio. And its not just due to an increasing due to testing we have never stopped testing. Its people have the virus 133k new cases yesterday

So kind of what pete was saying you can't have an increase in cases with out an increase in Deaths.

And to depend on therapeutics or trying to run out the clock betting on a vaccine hasn't worked to slow the spread and once again its impacts are rippling thru small business like restaurants gyms schools . Reduced infection rate is our solution in the short term

piemma · 11-07-2020, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso

Jim haven't you told us you work with liabilitie insurance

If you used what ever model they use to forcast risk any increase in infection is
Naturally going to show an increase in deaths. That the law of probability

Its not a 1 to 1 ratio. And its not just due to an increasing due to testing we have never stopped testing. Its people have the virus 133k new cases yesterday

So kind of what pete was saying you can't have an increase in cases with out an increase in Deaths.

And to depend on therapeutics or trying to run out the clock betting on a vaccine hasn't worked to slow the spread and once again its impacts are rippling thru small business like restaurants gyms schools . Reduced infection rate is our solution in the short term

Had a BIL and his wife (Jeanne's youngest sister) come down with Covid-19. They were in Miriam Hospital Covid ICU for a week. Recovering now but they were VERY sick.
Fortunately we have been staying away from everyone.

Pete F. · 11-07-2020, 10:57 AM

Guess who’s got it along with eight or more other people in the White House and campaign

White House chief of staff Mark Meadows said last Sunday that the US is "not going to control" the coronavirus pandemic, as cases surge across the country and nearly 225,000 Americans have died from the virus.

"We are not going to control the pandemic. We are going to control the fact that we get vaccines, therapeutics and other mitigation areas," Meadows told CNN's Jake Tapper on "State of the Union."
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detbuch · 11-07-2020, 11:11 AM

The World Health Organization (WHO) in Europe on Thursday said it was seeing an "explosion" of coronavirus cases in the region and warned of a "tough time" ahead as mortality rates rose.

scottw · 11-08-2020, 02:03 AM

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The World Health Organization (WHO) in Europe on Thursday said it was seeing an "explosion" of coronavirus cases in the region and warned of a "tough time" ahead as mortality rates rose.

we should send biden immediately, he has a plan....then send him to that non-mask wearing conservative republican state of illinios....they are shattering records

seems like we have more cases now...than we did in the spring when we were advised NOT to wear masks...could be wrong...just an observation

in RI we are currently double our daily cases compared to spring #'s with mask wearing....our mask mandate began in RI May 8th which was on the downside of the peak and when people were still resisting wearing masks...probably just the result of more testing right?

I still wear my mask when I'm out but I think the ridiculous overemphasis on masks(it makes you a good person virtue signaling) has led people to believe simply wearing a mask gives them immunity which clearly is not the case...

and...disposable masks and rubber gloves are the new cigarette butts

Pete F. · 11-08-2020, 07:40 AM

Don’t worry, the suburbs turn is coming

At a clinic in Corona, a working-class neighborhood in Queens, more than 68 percent of people tested positive for antibodies to the new coronavirus. At another clinic in Jackson Heights, Queens, that number was 56 percent. But at a clinic in Cobble Hill, a mostly white and wealthy neighborhood in Brooklyn, only 13 percent of people tested positive for antibodies.
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detbuch · 11-08-2020, 12:01 PM

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Don’t worry, the suburbs turn is coming

At a clinic in Corona, a working-class neighborhood in Queens, more than 68 percent of people tested positive for antibodies to the new coronavirus. At another clinic in Jackson Heights, Queens, that number was 56 percent. But at a clinic in Cobble Hill, a mostly white and wealthy neighborhood in Brooklyn, only 13 percent of people tested positive for antibodies.
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Anti-bodies is the goal. That's what vaccines provide. It's called herd immunity.

Got Stripers · 11-09-2020, 07:45 AM

Hey I thought this virus was going away after the election, what happened to the conspiracy theory that this was a democratic hoax and death and infection rates were fabricated to hurt Trump.

scottw · 11-09-2020, 11:01 AM

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Hey I thought this virus was going away after the election, .

Apparently it has, at least at CNN. Sounds like they’ve suddenly removed their corona stats tracker as soon as Biden decided he won....
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Pete F. · 11-09-2020, 11:11 AM

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Apparently it has, at least at CNN. Sounds like they’ve suddenly removed their corona stats tracker as soon as Biden decided he won....
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CNN headlines

Analysis: Trump denies defeat. Biden launches pandemic plan

LIVE UPDATES This is who will sit on Biden's coronavirus board

Strategy: How Biden plans to change the US pandemic response

scottw · 11-09-2020, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F.

CNN headlines

Analysis: Trump denies defeat. Biden launches pandemic plan

LIVE UPDATES This is who will sit on Biden's coronavirus board

Strategy: How Biden plans to change the US pandemic response

yes...everything regarding covid will be spun as positive propoganda for biden going forward....

be thankful for Operation Warp Speed

The Dad Fisherman · 11-09-2020, 11:29 AM

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Apparently it has, at least at CNN. Sounds like they’ve suddenly removed their corona stats tracker as soon as Biden decided he won....
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And Pfizer announced this morning that they had a vaccine that has proven 90% effective.
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scottw · 11-09-2020, 11:33 AM

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And Pfizer announced this morning that they had a vaccine that has proven 90% effective.
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is that the biden vaccine????

or is that the trump vaccine that kamala won't take because trump....wait...they are the same vaccine...I bet she's happy to mandate it now

Jim in CT · 11-09-2020, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw

is that the biden vaccine????

or is that the trump vaccine that kamala won't take because trump....wait...they are the same vaccine...I bet she's happy to mandate it now

all it took was trump
to lose for the vaccine to be developed.
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Pete F. · 11-09-2020, 11:40 AM

Pfizer head of vaccine development Dr. Kathrin Jansen told the NY Times: “We were never part of the Warp Speed ... We have never taken any money from the U.S. government, or from anyone.”

To make something clear here about Pfizer and Warp Speed: Pfizer had already sunk its own money into developing the vaccine before getting the July HHS contract. HHS simply bought up a quantity of production.

And from the Covid spreading administration that gets the good drugs:

Secretary Ben Carson attended the election night party at the White House and tested positive for COVID-19 this morning. His deputy chief of staff says he's "in good spirits & feels fortunate to have access to effective therapeutics which aid and markedly speed his recovery."