This is insanity

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Meanwhile in the real world
Twitter thinks Trump is a permanent national security threat
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Twitter is not the real world. It is a corporate left leaning authoritarian tool. It will begin to lose market to new formed competitors such as Parler. Facebook likewise to Rumble. Unless . . . "In a letter to the developers of Parler, Apple said it will pull the app in 24 hours if it does not get a plan to moderate the service more" . . . censorious crony corporate authoritarianism on the rise

Thought control. Language control. Mind control. The so-called American Experiment is in serious decline.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Twitter is not the real world. It is a corporate left leaning authoritarian tool. It will begin to lose market to new formed competitors such as Parler. Facebook likewise to Rumble. Unless . . . "In a letter to the developers of Parler, Apple said it will pull the app in 24 hours if it does not get a plan to moderate the service more" . . . censorious crony corporate authoritarianism on the rise

Thought control. Language control. Mind control. The so-called American Experiment is in serious decline.

By now, you may have heard of the hacker who says she scraped 99 percent of posts from Parler, the Twitter-wannabe site used by Trump supporters to help organize last Wednesday’s violent insurrection on Capitol Hill. What you may not know yet is the abysmal coding and security that made the scraping so easy.

To recap, the scraping was pulled off by a hacker who goes by the handle donk_enby. She originally set out to archive content posted to Parler last Wednesday in hopes of preserving self-incriminating material before account holders came to their senses and deleted it. By Sunday, donk_enby said she had collected roughly 80 terabytes of posts, including more than 1 million videos, many of which contained the GPS metadata identifying the exact locations of where the videos were shot.

“For the journalists DMing me to ask, in non-technical terms, I'd describe the current Parler archival situation as ‘a bunch of people running into a burning building trying to grab as many things as we can,’” donk_enby wrote on Twitter on Sunday. “Things will be available in a more accessible form later.”

The reason for urgency: Amazon, Apple, and Google all informed Parler that its lack of content moderation violated their terms of service. The archivists wanted to obtain the posts while the site remained online. But as it turned out, donk_enby was able to retrieve posts even after they had been deleted.

Coding mess
A key reason for her success: Parler’s site was a mess. Its public API used no authentication. When users deleted their posts, the site failed to remove the content and instead only added a delete flag to it. Oh, and each post carried a numerical ID that was incremented from the ID of the most recently published one.

The rookie code made it easy to automate the scraping, as this script—used by donk_enby’s archival team—demonstrates. As a result, massive numbers of posts that discussed the insurrection before, during, and after it was carried out will be preserved indefinitely so that they’re available to researchers, journalists, prosecutors, and others.

Another amateur mistake was Parler’s failure to scrub geolocations from images and videos posted online. Sites like Twitter and Google routinely remove such metadata from content posted by their users. The video files hosted on Parler, by contrast, were “raw,” meaning they still contained this information.

Parler’s moderation policies—even more lax than those of Twitter, Facebook, and Youtube—already made the site popular with far-right users looking for a forum to discuss debunked conspiracy theories. With Twitter permanently banning Trump, the president’s supporters embraced the site even more enthusiastically.

Prosecutors are already pursuing more than 150 suspects in Wednesday’s riot. The preservation of some 80TB of Parler posts, including more than 1 million raw video files, may result in more people being charged.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

By now, you may have heard of the hacker who says she scraped 99 percent of posts from Parler, the Twitter-wannabe site used by Trump supporters to help organize last Wednesday’s violent insurrection on Capitol Hill. What you may not know yet is the abysmal coding and security that made the scraping so easy.

To recap, the scraping was pulled off by a hacker who goes by the handle donk_enby. She originally set out to archive content posted to Parler last Wednesday in hopes of preserving self-incriminating material before account holders came to their senses and deleted it. By Sunday, donk_enby said she had collected roughly 80 terabytes of posts, including more than 1 million videos, many of which contained the GPS metadata identifying the exact locations of where the videos were shot.

“For the journalists DMing me to ask, in non-technical terms, I'd describe the current Parler archival situation as ‘a bunch of people running into a burning building trying to grab as many things as we can,’” donk_enby wrote on Twitter on Sunday. “Things will be available in a more accessible form later.”

The reason for urgency: Amazon, Apple, and Google all informed Parler that its lack of content moderation violated their terms of service. The archivists wanted to obtain the posts while the site remained online. But as it turned out, donk_enby was able to retrieve posts even after they had been deleted.

Coding mess
A key reason for her success: Parler’s site was a mess. Its public API used no authentication. When users deleted their posts, the site failed to remove the content and instead only added a delete flag to it. Oh, and each post carried a numerical ID that was incremented from the ID of the most recently published one.

The rookie code made it easy to automate the scraping, as this script—used by donk_enby’s archival team—demonstrates. As a result, massive numbers of posts that discussed the insurrection before, during, and after it was carried out will be preserved indefinitely so that they’re available to researchers, journalists, prosecutors, and others.

Another amateur mistake was Parler’s failure to scrub geolocations from images and videos posted online. Sites like Twitter and Google routinely remove such metadata from content posted by their users. The video files hosted on Parler, by contrast, were “raw,” meaning they still contained this information.

Parler’s moderation policies—even more lax than those of Twitter, Facebook, and Youtube—already made the site popular with far-right users looking for a forum to discuss debunked conspiracy theories. With Twitter permanently banning Trump, the president’s supporters embraced the site even more enthusiastically.

Prosecutors are already pursuing more than 150 suspects in Wednesday’s riot. The preservation of some 80TB of Parler posts, including more than 1 million raw video files, may result in more people being charged.

This really doesn't address what Detbuch was talking about.

From what I gather He is talking about Big Tech using its influence to censor content, manipulate the conversation, and stifle any competition that doesn't adhere to it's "Group Think".

All you posted was how crappy Parlers developers were. Nothing really to do in response to his concerns.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

This really doesn't address what Detbuch was talking about.

From what I gather He is talking about Big Tech using its influence to censor content, manipulate the conversation, and stifle any competition that doesn't adhere to it's "Group Think".

All you posted was how crappy Parlers developers were. Nothing really to do in response to his concerns.
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Detbuch claimed "It will begin to lose market to new formed competitors such as Parler."

If your product sucks and is dangerous, then buyer beware.

Telegram says it had 25M new signups in the last 72 hours.

He's plenty willing to attempt to censor anyone who disagrees with him or rebuts his lies.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Meanwhile in the real world
Twitter thinks Trump is a permanent national security threat
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And, yeah, this video is the real world of what those you try to marginalize and destroy really think about your biased, reactionary, inflammatory parroting of the left wing authoritarian narrative (refusing to watch it exposes your narrow minded insularity, your willful ignorance):

[Pete F.]

Twitter says it has seen conversation on and off Twitter of a “proposed secondary attack on the US Capitol and state capitol buildings on January 17, 2021.”
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Twitter says it has seen conversation on and off Twitter of a “proposed secondary attack on the US Capitol and state capitol buildings on January 17, 2021.”
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Did they inform the FBI? Probably don't need to. Our massive government surveillance of Americans has probably already caught that. Has Twitter banned the CCP or the Iranian death to America crowd yet?

And there's youtube--watch that video just posted above? Or are you just too comfortable in your radical ignorance?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Did they inform the FBI? Probably don't need to. Our massive government surveillance of Americans has probably already caught that. Has Twitter banned the CCP or the Iranian death to America crowd yet?

And there's youtube--watch that video just posted above? Or are you just too comfortable in your radical ignorance?

Just run off to Parler or Rumble and live in your imaginary world with President Donnie Camacho.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Just run off to Parler or Rumble and live in your imaginary world with President Donnie Camacho.
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This is exactly the kind of stupid willfully ignorant comment that divides us.

But the content of this video is not imaginary. It is real:

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Did they inform the FBI? Probably don't need to. Our massive government surveillance of Americans has probably already caught that. Has Twitter banned the CCP or the Iranian death to America crowd yet?

And there's youtube--watch that video just posted above? Or are you just too comfortable in your radical ignorance?

"It takes bomb-makers to build bombs. It takes leaders to create insurrection & sedition. We need to know who they are & make sure they’re no longer capable of harming us."
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

"It takes bomb-makers to build bombs. It takes leaders to create insurrection & sedition. We need to know who they are & make sure they’re no longer capable of harming us."
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Ok. Get those who built the bombs. You do realize it was a "mostly peaceful protest" not an insurrection.

[Ian]

This particular thread is a microcosm of what’s wrong with this country
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[detbuch]

There is a sort of insanity to what is being done to make it difficult for "right wingers" to publicly speak their version. Check out the first twenty minutes of this video:

[Ian]

Originally Posted by detbuch

There is a sort of insanity to what is being done to make it difficult for "right wingers" to publicly speak their version. Check out the first twenty minutes of this video:

Alternate facts are a buuuuuuitch
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Ian

Alternate facts are a buuuuuuitch
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How do you resolve the difference between alternate facts? Separate? Or find a common ground? I don't see the common ground between the Progressive agenda and the constitutional order. It's been a discussion I have tried to start. No one seems to want to participate. Do you?

[scottw]

got this from my kid's high school superintendent...

"tips on how to talk to your child about what happened in Washington"

You can also use this as a teachable moment to help older kids and teens develop critical-thinking and media literacy skills as they witness this historic moment.

The differences between how pro-Trump protestors and how Black and Brown protestors are treated by police and described in the media can exacerbate feelings of inequality. It's important to acknowledge these triggers and give everyone the space they need to express their feelings.

Which words are journalists or social media influencers using to talk about the situation or the people involved? Do you think they would use different words if the rioters were Black, Latinx, or Muslim?

How was the police response and the news coverage different from the Black Lives Matter protests?

What differences do you see in the way the media is talking about the situation compared to the Black Lives Matter protests? Do they use different words to refer to this event and the people involved?

I don't remember the superintendent sending any letters out over the last year tell us how to talk(what to think) to our kids about the violence and destruction going on around the country by leftist groups...and there was plenty of material there.....

[scottw]

UMass Memorial employee who 'may have been involved' in violence at Capitol loses job

UMass Memorial Health Care said an employee who "may have been involved" in the violence in Washington on Wednesday is no "longer part of our organization."

The hospital released a statement Friday via Twitter, saying they learned one their employees could have been involved in the violence at the Capitol.


wow...if they weren't do they get their job back?

[Pete F.]

I am old enough to remember the anti-anti-Trumpers who decided they were being forced to support the president because of the radicalism of Democrats and their associated mobs. Are you?
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[Got Stripers]

Trumps melt down is in high gear, he hasn’t called, talked to or met with Pence since the chamber was breached. Trump supporters heard find and hang Pence, no call to ask how are you doing my friend, oh forget friends are enemies quickly in Trump world. If only he could fire him in his closing weeks he could have his revenge.

No recount, no Twitter, potentially making history by being impeached twice, cold shoulder for Pence and he will pout in the residence during inauguration if he makes it that far.

So what are the odds that he will actually pull a Nixon and smartly resign so Pence can pardon him.

[Pete F.]

This is not playing out the way elected GOP thought or hoped. Smart ones will start throwing Trump under the bus now.
One could argue that members of his administration and enablers are at least complicit in aiding & abetting rebellion, insurrection, treason, vandalism...2nd degree murder & involuntary manslaughter. There must be consequences.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

One could argue that members of his administration and enablers are at least complicit in aiding & abetting rebellion, insurrection, treason, vandalism...2nd degree murder & involuntary manslaughter.

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one could argue that all of us are enablers and at least complicit in your insanity....

you and Got Traitors should start a consulting company hunting down enemies of the state through the internets....

[Sea Dangles]

He is clearly the greatest president of our lifetime
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[Pete F.]

Joe Biden is being pushed to support impeaching Trump because of far left forces including Chris Christie, the WSJ, Arnold Schwarzenegger and Senator Toomey, etc
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Joe Biden is being pushed to support impeaching Trump because of far left forces including Chris Christie, the WSJ, Arnold Schwarzenegger and Senator Toomey, etc
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All antifa
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

All antifa
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a sincere question for you, not a gotcha questions...

what is the worst language that trump used in DC? is it calling for conservatives to “fight”, which is language that all politicians use these days? or is it his continued aims that the election was stolen? that’s a sincere question.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

a sincere question for you, not a gotcha questions...

what is the worst language that trump used in DC? is it calling for conservatives to “fight”, which is language that all politicians use these days? or is it his continued aims that the election was stolen? that’s a sincere question.
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i’ll ask again, what was the language that trump used, which a reasonable person would
infer, was responsible for the rally turning into a riot?

did he say “ go storm the capital”?

i rember obama saying democrats would bring a gun to the fight, that sure didn’t trigger any condemnation.

Chris Cuomo said on the air this summer, “show me where it says protests are supposed to be peaceful.”.
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[Pete F.]

Silly Troll, you need to learn how to quote.
Are you spending your time looking for Tweety’s missing votes?

“This is not playing out the way elected GOP thought or hoped. Smart ones will start throwing Trump under the bus now.
One could argue that members of his administration and enablers are at least complicit in aiding & abetting rebellion, insurrection, treason, vandalism...2nd degree murder & involuntary manslaughter. There must be consequences.”
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[Pete F.]

"People took him literally. I never thought I'd see that," former White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney said about the domestic terrorist attack on Meet the Press.

Isn’t the implication here that “Everyone who worked for him knew he was a serial liar and we’re surprised his voters weren’t in on the joke.” That’s not what they were telling us the last four years.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Did Apple and Google refuse to make it available because the Code sucked, or because they needed to make changes in their allowed content?

If they put out a crappy product, then they will fail on their own.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Did Apple and Google refuse to make it available because the Code sucked, or because they needed to make changes in their allowed content?

If they put out a crappy product, then they will fail on their own.
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I haven’t read up on it but do have experience with clients trying to get apps approved in the app stores. Apple is very restrictive compared to Android. They are much more concerned with brand equity and if an app because of bad tech or other issues is a problem they’ll take action. Likely with Parlor they were holding their nose but both factors just blew up.
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