Illinois teen arrested in fatal shooting at Kenosha protest, police say

[TheSpecialist]

So all of you BLM supporters, is this what you are supporting? I mean lets be honest here are these people getting a point across, even the woman a protestor knows the difference , or are people getting sick of it, and saying no more....

https://www.mrcolionnoir.com/kenosha...nGHs7Dn2XFQvkw

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by TheSpecialist

So all of you BLM supporters, is this what you are supporting? I mean lets be honest here are these people getting a point across, even the woman a protestor knows the difference , or are people getting sick of it, and saying no more....

https://www.mrcolionnoir.com/kenosha...nGHs7Dn2XFQvkw

Far less then you support the illegally armed teen murdering people in the streets, or the Cliven Bundy criminals, or the criminal behavior of the huge number of people that have gone through his white house, I am sure. Likely the charlottsville crowd too. The j.a. in the white house loves all of them too.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by zimmy

Far less then you support the illegally armed teen murdering people in the streets, or the Cliven Bundy criminals, or the criminal behavior of the huge number of people that have gone through his white house, I am sure.
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Look at Portland death last night .. counter protesters ya ok if they weren't rolling in with Trump flags .. I dont see BLM or other protesters waving Biden Flags Socialist flags or any other agenda then having police stop killing civilians

And again separate the rioters from normal protesters..


Where else in the world do milita groups operate in support of presidents not good places


https://www.lawfareblog.com/armed-mi...eets-seriously


Dated Oct 2 2019

March 15th. 2019. Trump said: "I can tell you I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of the Bikers for Trump – I have the tough people, but they don’t play it tough — until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad."



Hes been setting the table since then and now he'll go to Wisconsin and light the candles. Aka fuse

But hes no authoritarian

[TheSpecialist]

Originally Posted by zimmy

Far less then you support the illegally armed teen murdering people in the streets, or the Cliven Bundy criminals, or the criminal behavior of the huge number of people that have gone through his white house, I am sure. Likely the charlottsville crowd too. The j.a. in the white house loves all of them too.
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His lawyer is going to pick apart any charges... He works in Kenosha as a lifeguard. He was working in Kenosha that day. He went with a friend after work to clean graffiti off of a public building. In the process of graphiti removal, they received a call for help protecting a mechanics shop owned a man who car dealership was destroyed the night before. Someone in Kenosha gave him the rifle, and according to his lawyer he is not a prohibited because it is not a Short Barreled Rifle, or sawed off shotgun, and Wisconsin is an open carry state. Every chronology of video evidence shows that this was self defense, including an interview with a reporter who was interviewing him , before he was chased, and was there when the first guy was shot.. Everything the reporter has detailed to police shows that the first guy was trying to take the rifle, for no reason other than he thought he was a tough guy who could get one over on a younger person.

Mark this post, that kid is getting off, with at most a misdemeanor

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by TheSpecialist

His lawyer is going to pick apart any charges... He works in Kenosha as a lifeguard. He was working in Kenosha that day. He went with a friend after work to clean graffiti off of a public building. In the process of graphiti removal, they received a call for help protecting a mechanics shop owned a man who car dealership was destroyed the night before. Someone in Kenosha gave him the rifle, and according to his lawyer he is not a prohibited because it is not a Short Barreled Rifle, or sawed off shotgun, and Wisconsin is an open carry state. Every chronology of video evidence shows that this was self defense, including an interview with a reporter who was interviewing him , before he was chased, and was there when the first guy was shot.. Everything the reporter has detailed to police shows that the first guy was trying to take the rifle, for no reason other than he thought he was a tough guy who could get one over on a younger person.

Mark this post, that kid is getting off, with at most a misdemeanor

I have seen all this info. If it's all true, you may well be right. At a minimum, once again, this event was more complicated than the leftist mob spun it as. Once again, the left went nuts without having the facts, and once again, looks like they have egg on their faces. They never learn to wait for the facts, they are not capable of waiting for the facts, not if there's political capital to gain.

[TheSpecialist]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I have seen all this info. If it's all true, you may well be right. At a minimum, once again, this event was more complicated than the leftist mob spun it as. Once again, the left went nuts without having the facts, and once again, looks like they have egg on their faces. They never learn to wait for the facts, they are not capable of waiting for the facts, not if there's political capital to gain.

I get it, cause I am sometimes guilty of it as well, this stuff gets emotional on both sides. When it comes to Constitutionally protected rights though, I get pissed. This whole thing is also making a perfect case that
1. The AR platform is a perfect platform for self protection
2. The need for hi capacity magazines to protect yourself for legal gun owners. Why should we be at a disadvantage, did you see how many people were attacking this kid.

Everyone commenting on this should watch the youtube video which show a very good chronology of the events from right before the first shooting. The only thing it doesn't show is the widely circulated video of the first guy, taunting the patriots, called them the N word, even though there were actually some armed black patriots in the group with Kyle. This guy was highly agitated and it would not surprise me if he was on something too

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by TheSpecialist

I get it, cause I am sometimes guilty of it as well, this stuff gets emotional on both sides. When it comes to Constitutionally protected rights though, I get pissed. This whole thing is also making a perfect case that
1. The AR platform is a perfect platform for self protection
2. The need for hi capacity magazines to protect yourself for legal gun owners. Why should we be at a disadvantage, did you see how many people were attacking this kid.

Everyone commenting on this should watch the youtube video which show a very good chronology of the events from right before the first shooting. The only thing it doesn't show is the widely circulated video of the first guy, taunting the patriots, called them the N word, even though there were actually some armed black patriots in the group with Kyle. This guy was highly agitated and it would not surprise me if he was on something too

Sure, you get pissed. But you don't riot, or incite others to riot, and then blame someone else for the blood on your hands.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by TheSpecialist

His lawyer is going to pick apart any charges... He works in Kenosha as a lifeguard. He was working in Kenosha that day. He went with a friend after work to clean graffiti off of a public building. In the process of graphiti removal, they received a call for help protecting a mechanics shop owned a man who car dealership was destroyed the night before. Someone in Kenosha gave him the rifle, and according to his lawyer he is not a prohibited because it is not a Short Barreled Rifle, or sawed off shotgun, and Wisconsin is an open carry state. Every chronology of video evidence shows that this was self defense, including an interview with a reporter who was interviewing him , before he was chased, and was there when the first guy was shot.. Everything the reporter has detailed to police shows that the first guy was trying to take the rifle, for no reason other than he thought he was a tough guy who could get one over on a younger person.

Mark this post, that kid is getting off, with at most a misdemeanor

Where are you getting your info? He needed a permit and he needed to be 18 according to Wisconsin law. He's in for it.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by TheSpecialist

His lawyer is going to pick apart any charges... He works in Kenosha as a lifeguard. He was working in Kenosha that day. He went with a friend after work to clean graffiti off of a public building. In the process of graphiti removal, they received a call for help protecting a mechanics shop owned a man who car dealership was destroyed the night before. Someone in Kenosha gave him the rifle, and according to his lawyer he is not a prohibited because it is not a Short Barreled Rifle, or sawed off shotgun, and Wisconsin is an open carry state. Every chronology of video evidence shows that this was self defense, including an interview with a reporter who was interviewing him , before he was chased, and was there when the first guy was shot.. Everything the reporter has detailed to police shows that the first guy was trying to take the rifle, for no reason other than he thought he was a tough guy who could get one over on a younger person.

Mark this post, that kid is getting off, with at most a misdemeanor

You can't carry a firearm in WI at 17 unless you are hunting. A friend gave it to him which could lead to accessory charges. You also can't shoot someone just because they might be about to or are damaging property.

The homicide charges are extremely serious, I don't think a self defense claim is going to fly when you intentionally put yourself in the situation with a weapon. It will be interesting to see if the can conclusively prove what led to the first shooting. Expect his social media activity to get a lot of scrutiny.

His defense should be I'm dumb, immature and listened to too much Trump.

[TheSpecialist]

Originally Posted by spence

You can't carry a firearm in WI at 17 unless you are hunting. A friend gave it to him which could lead to accessory charges. You also can't shoot someone just because they might be about to or are damaging property.

The homicide charges are extremely serious, I don't think a self defense claim is going to fly when you intentionally put yourself in the situation with a weapon. It will be interesting to see if the can conclusively prove what led to the first shooting. Expect his social media activity to get a lot of scrutiny.

His defense should be I'm dumb, immature and listened to too much Trump.

It's a good thing your not a lawyer..



Gun laws in Wisconsin
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Location of Wisconsin in the United States
Gun laws in Wisconsin regulate the sale, possession, and use of firearms and ammunition in the U.S. state of Wisconsin.


Contents
1 Summary table
2 Constitutional protection
3 Preemption
4 Concealed carry
5 Open carry
6 Castle Doctrine
7 No duty to inform
8 Guns in vehicles
8.1 Boats
8.2 Aircraft
8.3 Exceptions
9 Buying and selling
10 Title II firearms
11 State parks, fish hatcheries, and wildlife refuges
12 Other laws
13 Firearms and minors
14 School zones
15 Additional Wisconsin laws table
16 References
17 External links
Summary table[edit]
Subject/Law Long guns Handguns Relevant Statutes Notes
Constitutional right to bear arms Yes 1:25 "The people have the right to keep and bear arms for security, defense, hunting, recreation or any other lawful purpose."
State preemption of local restrictions? Yes 66.0409
State permit required to purchase? No No A purchaser is prohibited from receiving a handgun from a FFL dealer until they’ve paid a background check fee and the state DOJ conducts an additional background check (over and above the Federal 4473).
License required for concealed carry? N/A Yes 175.60 Permit is given on a shall-issue basis. Concealed carry of knives (not intended for use as weapons) is legal without a permit.
Campus carry is allowed, but buildings may be exempted if signs forbidding firearms are posted.
License required for open carry? No No 947.01 948.60 66.0409
941.28
29.304
Open carry of loaded handguns and long guns and knives is permitted without a license for adults over 18, or for minors 16 or older when carrying a long gun that doesn't violate WS 941.28.
Owner license required? No No 941.29
Castle Doctrine/Self Defense Statutes Yes 895.62 Immunity from prosecution and civil damages in the home, with conditions and exceptions
939.48 No duty to retreat in the "dwelling" or owned/operated place of business. No deadly force solely to protect property. 3rd party protection. If attack is provoked, self defense may only be used if reasonable belief of imminent death or great bodily harm. If attack is provoked deadly force only allowed if all other reasonable means of avoidance exhausted.
940.01 "the state must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the facts constituting the defense did not exist in order to sustain a finding of guilt"
Firearm registration? No No
Assault weapon law? No No
Magazine capacity restrictions? No No
NFA weapons restricted? No No 941.298
941.26
Machine guns allowed, but may not shoot pistol cartridges and may not be possessed aggressively or offensively. Suppressors, SBR, and SBS are allowed if NFA rules followed, otherwise felony.
Background checks required for private sales? No



Since it points to wether or not said minor is not in violation of 941.28, which his rifle does not violate, since it is not a short barreled rifle or sawed off shotgun...



941.28  Possession of short-barreled shotgun or short-barreled rifle.
(1)  In this section:
(a) “Rifle" means a firearm designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder or hip and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of a propellant in a metallic cartridge to fire through a rifled barrel a single projectile for each pull of the trigger.
(b) “Short-barreled rifle" means a rifle having one or more barrels having a length of less than 16 inches measured from closed breech or bolt face to muzzle or a rifle having an overall length of less than 26 inches.
(c) “Short-barreled shotgun" means a shotgun having one or more barrels having a length of less than 18 inches measured from closed breech or bolt face to muzzle or a shotgun having an overall length of less than 26 inches.
(d) “Shotgun" means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder or hip and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of a propellant in a fixed shotgun shell to fire through a smooth bore either a number of ball shot or a single projectile for each single pull of the trigger.
(2) No person may sell or offer to sell, transport, purchase, possess or go armed with a short-barreled shotgun or short-barreled rifle.
(3) Any person violating this section is guilty of a Class H felony.
(4) This section does not apply to the sale, purchase, possession, use or transportation of a short-barreled shotgun or short-barreled rifle to or by any armed forces or national guard personnel in line of duty, any peace officer of the United States or of any political subdivision of the United States or any person who has complied with the licensing and registration requirements under 26 USC 5801 to 5872. This section does not apply to the manufacture of short-barreled shotguns or short-barreled rifles for any person or group authorized to possess these weapons. The restriction on transportation contained in this section does not apply to common carriers. This section shall not apply to any firearm that may be lawfully possessed under federal law, or any firearm that could have been lawfully registered at the time of the enactment of the national firearms act of 1968.
(5) Any firearm seized under this section is subject to s. 968.20 (3) and is presumed to be contraband.
History: 1979 c. 115; 2001 a. 109.
The intent in sub. (1) (d) is that of the fabricator; that the gun is incapable of being fired or not intended to be fired by the possessor is immaterial. State v. Johnson, 171 Wis. 2d 175, 491 N.W.2d 110 (Ct. App. 1992).
“Firearm" means a weapon that acts by force of gunpowder to fire a projectile, regardless of whether it is inoperable due to disassembly. State v. Rardon, 185 Wis. 2d 701, 518 N.W.2d 330 (Ct. App. 1994).



Here is a pretty well put together timeline of videos some of which is shot by a reporter or blogger who was there, you will see the Kyle Rittenhouse was not the aggressor, and in fact was targeted and attacked. In the bag that was thrown at him was a brick...


https://youtu.be/NSU9ZvnudFE

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by TheSpecialist

His lawyer is going to pick apart any charges... He works in Kenosha as a lifeguard. He was working in Kenosha that day. He went with a friend after work to clean graffiti off of a public building. In the process of graphiti removal, they received a call for help protecting a mechanics shop owned a man who car dealership was destroyed the night before. Someone in Kenosha gave him the rifle, and according to his lawyer he is not a prohibited because it is not a Short Barreled Rifle, or sawed off shotgun, and Wisconsin is an open carry state. Every chronology of video evidence shows that this was self defense, including an interview with a reporter who was interviewing him , before he was chased, and was there when the first guy was shot.. Everything the reporter has detailed to police shows that the first guy was trying to take the rifle, for no reason other than he thought he was a tough guy who could get one over on a younger person.

Mark this post, that kid is getting off, with at most a misdemeanor

Sad you would support him as if it's a 2A . And self defense. Argument

Classics. Blame everyone but the guy who pulled the trigger that's a go to message from conservatives... from the women who got shot in a police raid. They blamed her for her boyfriend, or the boy who police shot in the park they blamed him for playing with a toy gun , the man who told police he had a gun and had a permit to carry , then shot by cop he told. The excuse he shouldn't have had it or he moved to fast
Man jogging shoot by 2 guys in a truck.. excuses he shouldn't have been in the neighborhood or in the construction site ..


Yea but god forbid you say this kid shouldn't have the gun or he shouldn't have been there

Or that shooti g someone in the back 7 times is excessive.. funny how that works

[TheSpecialist]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Sad you would support him as if it's a 2A . And self defense. Argument

Classics. Blame everyone but the guy who pulled the trigger that's a go to message from conservatives... from the women who got shot in a police raid. They blamed her for her boyfriend, or the boy who police shot in the park they blamed him for playing with a toy gun , the man who told police he had a gun and had a permit to carry , then shot by cop he told. The excuse he shouldn't have had it or he moved to fast
Man jogging shoot by 2 guys in a truck.. excuses he shouldn't have been in the neighborhood or in the construction site ..


Yea but god forbid you say this kid shouldn't have the gun or he shouldn't have been there

Or that shooti g someone in the back 7 times is excessive.. funny how that works

See above you have no idea what your talking about

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by TheSpecialist

See above you have no idea what your talking about

And you do Ok
PS sounds Like your trying to sell More guns

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

And you do Ok
PS sounds Like your trying to sell More guns

Have you bothered to listen to what the kids lawyer is saying, or the reporter who was standing right there?

This isn't as simple as the Left wants it to be. It's just not.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by TheSpecialist

See above you have no idea what your talking about

But he knows the Narrative, and that's all that matters.