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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

there isn’t anyone of real influence on the right telling people
not to get vaccinated. there just isn’t.

but there are still a lot of unvaccinated republicans. Too many.
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Wow you are completely detached from reality.. you convince yourself Abrams insist the election was stolen , yet she clearly conceded who won and now you suggest no conservatives of real influence every said don’t get vaccinated

Seems you are out of touch where conservatives get their info and whom they consider influential

Phil Valentine, a prominent Tennessee rightwing talk radio host, had released a song called Vaxman, an anti-Covid vaccination ditty based on the Beatles track Taxman.

Marc Bernier, a host in Daytona Beach, Florida, had declared himself “Mr Anti-Vax”. #^&#^&#^&#^& Farrel, also from Florida, urged his listeners not to get vaccinated, and Jimmy DeYoung asked on air whether the vaccine could be a “form of government control of the people”.

All four men died in August of coronavirus. A fifth conservative radio host, Bob Enyart, died on 13 September, weeks after he told his listeners to boycott vaccines that were “immorally developed”.



Jim Jordan says 'real America is done with Covid.

Trump's White House doctor calls omicron a midterm elections trick
“Here comes the MEV - the Midterm Election Variant!” Ronny Jackson tweeted Saturday.



Seems Jim and Scott don’t do many internet searches

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisond...ne-poll-finds/


Republicans have consistently told pollsters they’re not planning to be vaccinated —


Tucker Members and staffers would be required to get a shot that the CDC told us today doesn’t work very well and, by the way, whose long-term effects cannot be known.” (The CDC did not say this.)

Carlson’s Facebook followers commented eagerly on the video clip, spreading unfounded fears about vaccination among themselves. “Completely disappointed in our government, don’t believe a word they speak! Will not get the shot!” one person wrote. Together, Carlson and his viewers are a placenta and embryo, gestating dangerous ideas and keeping the pandemic alive.

Republican senator was booed and catcalled when he told a party audience in South Carolina to think about getting a vaccine against Covid-19.

It was Lindsey Graham

Then you have ivermectin

Fox News host Laura Ingraham, who pitched the drug long before many in conservative media or even on Fox itself joined her.
On Dec. 1, Ingraham welcomed a doctor who had advised Trump and claimed social distancing and quarantining don’t work

Chairman Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) hosted a controversial hearing featuring, among his witnesses, two doctors who advocated for ivermectin. Johnson claimed at the hearing that the information his witnesses provided was being censored on social media.
That was kibble for conservative media. The next day, Ingraham floated a conspiracy theory that rears its head to this day: the idea that drugs like ivermectin are being suppressed as coronavirus treatments because they are too cheap — or even that they would jeopardize the emergency approvals of the vaccines.


NPR looked at deaths per 100,000 people in roughly 3,000 counties across the U.S. from May 2021, the point at which vaccinations widely became available. People living in counties that went 60% or higher for Trump in November 2020 had 2.78 times the death rates of those that went for Biden. Counties with an even higher share of the vote for Trump saw higher COVID-19 mortality rates.

Statistics don’t lie

Inside the growing alliance between anti-vaccine activists and pro-Trump Republicans

There are examples after examples of why Republicans won’t get vaccinated..

59 percent of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents say that believing Trump won the 2020 election is "important" to being a Republican⁠

These are the same core supporters who are more than likely to be against vaccines… and it’s not based in any factual reality..


Yet Jim’s introduced Race with what about blacks
When honestly the topic is about Republicans ( some whom are actually black or have a PHD or both). In an effort to defend a party that no longer exist as it once did

So here’s a question to anyone

If there isn’t anyone of real influence on the right telling people
not to get vaccinated.

Then who what or where is this moment rooted ?


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[wdmso]

Rep. Devin Nunes is resigning from Congress to be CEO of Trump's new media company

Integrity clearly not a job requirement
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Rep. Devin Nunes is resigning from Congress to be CEO of Trump's new media company

Integrity clearly not a job requirement
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What catchy name will he use, maybe the “truth network”, if we have learned anything, Trump is very good at setting up a new money grab.
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[Pete F.]

Viruses don’t care about your color, politics or really anything at all.
All they want is a host.
They mutate as a matter of course, rates depending on the particular virus.
The more virus, the better the odds of mutation.
So unfortunately while I could just say T&P for the unvaccinated, they do by some amount endanger the rest of us.
More than lots of other things people are claiming they are afraid of
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Viruses don’t care about your color, politics or really anything at all.
All they want is a host.
They mutate as a matter of course, rates depending on the particular virus.
The more virus, the better the odds of mutation.
So unfortunately while I could just say T&P for the unvaccinated, they do by some amount endanger the rest of us.
More than lots of other things people are claiming they are afraid of
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seems like all of the omicron is riding into the country on fully vaccinated hosts...

these people are a danger to us all...

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

seems like all of the omicron is riding into the country on fully vaccinated hosts...

these people are a danger to us all...

You’re spreading misinformation
While you find it comical, it’s actually the opposite
Omicron was discovered by SA immunologists several weeks ago and both vaccinated and unvaccinated have been diagnosed as positive.
The data is not complete enough yet to determine the efficacy of the various vaccines.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

You’re spreading misinformation
While you find it comical, it’s actually the opposite
Omicron was discovered by SA immunologists several weeks ago and both vaccinated and unvaccinated have been diagnosed as positive.
The data is not complete enough yet to determine the efficacy of the various vaccines.
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that's not what I wrote idiot

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

I'm vaccinated, I don't care if someone else is vaccinated or not, I work with people who aren't vaccinated, I don't feel threatened by them, I don't give them dirty looks or criticize them either to their faces or behind their backs because they aren't vaccinated, I don't think they are stupid, they are actually very smart and informed and have made a personal choice...

but carry on vax nazi....

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Viruses don’t care about your color, politics or really anything at all.
All they want is a host.
They mutate as a matter of course, rates depending on the particular virus.
The more virus, the better the odds of mutation.
So unfortunately while I could just say T&P for the unvaccinated, they do by some amount endanger the rest of us.
More than lots of other things people are claiming they are afraid of
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Originally Posted by scottw

seems like all of the omicron is riding into the country on fully vaccinated hosts...

these people are a danger to us all...

Originally Posted by Pete F.

You’re spreading misinformation
While you find it comical, it’s actually the opposite
Omicron was discovered by SA immunologists several weeks ago and both vaccinated and unvaccinated have been diagnosed as positive.
The data is not complete enough yet to determine the efficacy of the various vaccines.
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Originally Posted by scottw

that's not what I wrote idiot

It's what you wrote

[Pete F.]

Is this what you’re referring to?

The United States is imposing sanctions on 16 individuals and 24 entities connected to transnational organized crime activities in Europe and the Western Hemisphere. It is a national security priority to combat corruption, which facilitates transnational organized crime.
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[wdmso]

Trump 30 Top Failures:

1.Trump failed Insurrection
2.Trump promised infrastructure deal{ never happened}
3.Trump Border Wall {never fully built & Mexico never paid}
4.Trump promised troop pullout from Afghanistan {never happened}
5.Trump COVID response
6.Trump entire Presidency {ranks 41 out of 44}
7.Trump Marriages & children
8.Trump BLOG {lasted 29 days!}
9.Trump’s Toupee
10. Trump Foundation
11. Trump Airlines
12. Trump Cologne
13. Trump Travel
14. Trump TWITTER and FACEBOOK accounts
15. Trump Vodka
16. Trump Mortgage
17. Trump: The Game
18. Trump Magazine
19. Trump University
20. Trump Ice
21. The New Jersey Generals
22. Tour de Trump
23. Trump Network
24. Trumped!
25. Trump Taj Mahal
26. Trump’s Castle
27. Trump Plaza Casinos
28. Trump Plaza Hotel
29. Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts
30.Trump Entertainment Resorts

That about sums it up

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Trump 30 Top Failures:

1.Trump failed Insurrection
2.Trump promised infrastructure deal{ never happened}
3.Trump Border Wall {never fully built & Mexico never paid}
4.Trump promised troop pullout from Afghanistan {never happened}
5.Trump COVID response
6.Trump entire Presidency {ranks 41 out of 44}
7.Trump Marriages & children
8.Trump BLOG {lasted 29 days!}
9.Trump’s Toupee
10. Trump Foundation
11. Trump Airlines
12. Trump Cologne
13. Trump Travel
14. Trump TWITTER and FACEBOOK accounts
15. Trump Vodka
16. Trump Mortgage
17. Trump: The Game
18. Trump Magazine
19. Trump University
20. Trump Ice
21. The New Jersey Generals
22. Tour de Trump
23. Trump Network
24. Trumped!
25. Trump Taj Mahal
26. Trump’s Castle
27. Trump Plaza Casinos
28. Trump Plaza Hotel
29. Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts
30.Trump Entertainment Resorts

That about sums it up

you trumps covid response failed.

ok.

biden inherited an infastructure where a million people a day were getting vaccinated. yet 2021 deaths, before december 1, were already higher than 2020. Deaths are increasing.

so how would you say biden’s covid response isn’t a failure? more deaths isn’t worse than fewer deaths?
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[scottw]

(CNN)Joe Biden's presidential campaign was built on two pillars -- "I'm going to shut down the virus" and I am not Donald Trump. He is failing on both promises, as Covid rages and Biden's behavior more and more mirrors his predecessor's.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

(CNN)Joe Biden's presidential campaign was built on two pillars -- "I'm going to shut down the virus" and I am not Donald Trump. He is failing on both promises, as Covid rages and Biden's behavior more and more mirrors his predecessor's.

Seem. You lack the understanding of the difference between trying to shut down a virus and refusing to admit their was a virus .. and please how is his behavior mirrored Trumps. This should be fascinating
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

you trumps covid response failed.

ok.

biden inherited an infastructure where a million people a day were getting vaccinated. yet 2021 deaths, before december 1, were already higher than 2020. Deaths are increasing.

so how would you say biden’s covid response isn’t a failure? more deaths isn’t worse than fewer deaths?
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30 failures and you praise the one thing as POTUS he did right he spent money on a vaccine? But was against every other mitigation approach under the sun.., and even his followers refuse to take. Because joe Biden has asked them to.. big picture Jim big picture

Ps unvaccinated ever hear of them? So It’s Biden’s fault people are unvaccinated. And dying Love the logic

Unvaccinated people are about 29 times more likely to be hospitalized with Covid-19 than those who are fully vaccinated, according to a CDC study released Tuesday.
The new study also found that unvaccinated people were nearly five times more likely to be infected with Covid than vaccinated people.Imagine that

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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

as POTUS he did right he spent money on a vaccine.. big picture Jim big picture

You say that he refused to admit there was a virus, and then you say he spent big money on a vaccine . . . is that some novel version of a big picture?

Big picture, if the President is responsible for stopping the virus, is that Biden is failing.

[wdmso]

Former US President Donald Trump has launched a scathing attack on his once-close ally, ex-Israeli leader Benjamin Netanyahu, accusing him of disloyalty.


Still waiting on Biden to accuse a former head of state of disloyalty to a nation that’s not his own?
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[wdmso]

Mr Trump said he was furious at Mr Netanyahu for the way he congratulated Joe Biden on his election victory, using an expletive towards him.

Such a shinning example of a former US President classy as his supporters
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Mr Trump said he was furious at Mr Netanyahu for the way he congratulated Joe Biden on his election victory, using an expletive towards him.

Such a shinning example of a former US President classy as his supporters
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more evidence that trump is a jerk, we agree.

now, can we move on? yiu said tromps covid response was a failure. fine. but more americans are dying under biden in 2021, than died in 2020, and biden inherited an infastructure of testing and vaccines. trump had to start from scratch.

given the advantages biden had ( plus trump had to deal with a NY governor who acted as if his mission was to kill everyone in nursing homes), how is Biden’s covid response not also a “failure”?

isnt more deaths, a bigger failure than fewer deaths?

have fun with that.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

more evidence that trump is a jerk, we agree.

now, can we move on? yiu said tromps covid response was a failure. fine. but more americans are dying under biden in 2021, than died in 2020, and biden inherited an infastructure of testing and vaccines. trump had to start from scratch.

given the advantages biden had ( plus trump had to deal with a NY governor who acted as if his mission was to kill everyone in nursing homes), how is Biden’s covid response not also a “failure”?

isnt more deaths, a bigger failure than fewer deaths?

have fun with that.
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Jim now your using. Calendar dates
And again regurgitation right wing talking points

Only you would show Trump starting at zero and then handing Biden a country overflowing with virus and deaths already in the pipeline and suggest Trump did a better Job.. lol

The spread of the highly contagious Delta variant and low vaccination rates in some communities were important factors, But lower-than-expected immunization rates as well as fatigue with precautionary measures like masks allowed the highly contagious Delta variant to spread, largely among the unvaccinated, epidemiologists say.

But your such an honest broker of information… you’ll ignore the why
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Jim now your using. Calendar dates
And again regurgitation right wing talking points

Only you would show Trump starting at zero and then handing Biden a country overflowing with virus and deaths already in the pipeline and suggest Trump did a better Job.. lol

The spread of the highly contagious Delta variant and low vaccination rates in some communities were important factors, But lower-than-expected immunization rates as well as fatigue with precautionary measures like masks allowed the highly contagious Delta variant to spread, largely among the unvaccinated, epidemiologists say.

But your such an honest broker of information… you’ll ignore the why
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“jim now you’re using calendar dates…”

so it’s inappropriate to judge trump on what happened during his term, and do the same with biden

we should
all do what you do, which is blame trump for everything bad that happened during his 4 years, and ignore the bad results when the potus is a democrat.

i mean, that’s just so consistent and rational!

if using deaths isn’t a good way to measure covid response, how would you do it? what statistic would you use?

“lower than expected immunization rates”…

according to whom?
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

“jim now you’re using calendar dates…”

so it’s inappropriate to judge trump on what happened during his term, and do the same with biden

we should
all do what you do, which is blame trump for everything bad that happened during his 4 years, and ignore the bad results when the potus is a democrat.

i mean, that’s just so consistent and rational!

if using deaths isn’t a good way to measure covid response, how would you do it? what statistic would you use?

“lower than expected immunization rates”…

according to whom?
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So Trump gets a boat no holes or dents it starts leaking worse during his ownership and he does nothing to slow the flow ...then he loses the election and gives biden a boat sinking full of water and full of holes due to the previous owners neglect (covid) and on his way out Door presents Biden with a half gallon milk jug (vaccine) and says start bailing .. this should fix it.... so Biden Starts with a boat full of holes and filled with water one bailer nothing to plug the holes and Jim thinks as usual the Both have started from the same spot

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

“jim now you’re using calendar dates…”


if using deaths isn’t a good way to measure covid response, how would you do it? what statistic would you use?

“lower than expected immunization rates”…

according to whom? not you thats for sure
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Yes Jim lets use deaths and not surprising From Jan. 15, 2021 to Oct. 1, 2021, unvaccinated people were 40 times more likely to experience COVID-19-associated death than fully vaccinated people.

DEATH RATE FROM TEXAS

Rate per 100,000 in
Unvaccinated People was 463.7

Rate per 100,000 in Fully
Vaccinated 11.6

https://www.dshs.texas.gov/immunize/...s-11082021.pdf

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Mr Trump said he was furious at Mr Netanyahu for the way he congratulated Joe Biden on his election victory, using an expletive towards him.

Such a shinning example of a former US President classy as his supporters
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what does this have to do with biden being a lousy president?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

what does this have to do with biden being a lousy president?

still waiting on your reasons he's a lousy POTUS compared to Trump you suggested they were the same

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

still waiting on your reasons he's a lousy POTUS compared to Trump you suggested they were the same

I didn’t say trump wasn’t just pointed out that someone on CNN said Biden basically sucks too despite promises and claims to be the anti-trump….if Biden loses CNN that would be pretty bad for the regime. He’s already lost Kamala
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

I didn’t say trump wasn’t just pointed out that someone on CNN said Biden basically sucks too despite promises and claims to be the anti-trump….if Biden loses CNN that would be pretty bad for the regime. He’s already lost Kamala
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Even the jerks on The View are bashing Biden for breaking promises.

[Pete F.]

We can do states if you would like, but as was apparent early in the pandemic, Trumps downplaying, political manipulation of the Covid response and total ignorance of the pandemic after the November election had a disastrous effect for Americans

South Korea
Deaths per 100k is 8
Vaccination 80%
USA
Deaths per 100K is 239
Vaccination 60%
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

We can do states if you would like, but as was apparent early in the pandemic, Trumps downplaying, political manipulation of the Covid response and total ignorance of the pandemic after the November election had a disastrous effect for Americans

South Korea
Deaths per 100k is 8
Vaccination 80%
USA
Deaths per 100K is 239
Vaccination 60%
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our results are worse than south koreas. when does biden have responsibility for that? ever? does he even own the results for his time as potus? or does biden get a complete free pass. no matter what?

south korea doesn’t have our constitution. apples and oranges.
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[scottw]

yeah but Iceland......

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

yeah but Iceland......

on the day covid is eradicated, that will coincidentally be the day that biden starts owning the results.

like talking to a poster of Obama.
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