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[Pete F.]

“Defending anonymous tactical units gassing, beating, and snatching people off the streets of Portland and shoving them into unmarked vans” is a strange hill for conservatism to die on, but that’s what has become of the Republican Party under Tweety
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[Pete F.]

“Anyone, including federal law enforcement, who unlawfully assaults and kidnaps people will face criminal charges from my office.” - Philadelphia D.A. Larry Krasner

[spence]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

“Anyone, including federal law enforcement, who unlawfully assaults and kidnaps people will face criminal charges from my office.” - Philadelphia D.A. Larry Krasner

And Tom Ridge...

"Had I been governor even now, I would welcome the opportunity to work with any federal agency to reduce crime or lawlessness in any of the cities. But ... it would be a cold day in hell before I would consent to a unilateral, uninvited intervention into one of my cities."

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

And Tom Ridge..."Had I been governor even now, I would welcome the opportunity to work with any federal agency to reduce crime or lawlessness in any of the cities. But ... it would be a cold day in hell before I would consent to a unilateral, uninvited intervention into one of my cities."

It sounds like Ridge would not allow rioters to destroy property and injure or kill people including the police. Like he would stop the rioting and looting and maiming, with force if necessary, rather than let it continue for several weeks. And like he would also direct his police force to protect federal property as well.

It sounds like Ridge would not need a federal intervention. On the other hand. If he was not able to prevent the destruction of federal property, his consent would not be needed for federal agents to do so.

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

It sounds like Ridge would not allow rioters to destroy property and injure or kill people including the police. Like he would stop the rioting and looting and maiming, with force if necessary, rather than let it continue for several weeks. And like he would also direct his police force to protect federal property as well.

It sounds like Ridge would not need a federal intervention. On the other hand. If he was not able to prevent the destruction of federal property, his consent would not be needed for federal agents to do so.

Total spin.
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by spence

Total spin.
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Trained eye Jeff?

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

Total spin.
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Oh, so you think Ridge would allow rioters to destroy property and injure people. And that he would not stop the rioting, and would let it continue for several weeks. And that he would not direct his police force to protect federal property. And that the Federal government would require his consent in order to send federal agents to protect federal property.

[Pete F.]

All the video I’ve seen shows federal “agents” escalating the conflict.
Of course if your agenda is to increase conflict by interfering with and assaulting citizens legally exercising their constitutional rights then they are doing a wonderful job.
Who’s big fear is that they will take your guns away because you might do something?
Acting DHS Secretary Chad Wolf tells Fox that they're "proactive arrest[ing] people" in Portland.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

I think he put a lot of thoughts into his remarks which speak for themselves.
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"Had I been governor even now, I would welcome the opportunity to work with any federal agency to reduce crime or lawlessness in any of the cities.

So he put a lot of thought in saying that he would welcome the opportunity to do what the mayor of Portland does not welcome? This is supposed to support your and the mayor's opinion?

But ... it would be a cold day in hell before I would consent to a unilateral, uninvited intervention into one of my cities."

So he put a lot of thought in using the word "intervention"? The federal agents aren't intervening (interfering, intruding, meddling, interposing, mediating, etc.) in Portland's handling of the riots. The feds are doing their own work of protecting federal property and personnel authorized by US code 1315. They are not "intervening" in Portland's efforts. They are not involving themselves in Portland's efforts. If, coincidentally, there is an unavoidable intersection, that is collateral, incidental, not intentional intervention. That coincidence could be seen in the reverse as Portland "intervening" in legal federal law enforcement if you want to loosely and inappropriately use the word "intervene."

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

All the video I’ve seen shows federal “agents” escalating the conflict.

A selected video clip does not show overall escalation or de-escalation. It shows a slice of something the video maker wants to show. The "conflict" has been going on for a long time. A video of the whole thing showing everything that has happened, everything, from all angles, from the beginning, including all the words spoken and shouted, by everybody on all sides, might give a better perspective on whether the "conflict" was escalated.

And I would think that actually doing something (making arrests, etc.) about the damage and "conflict" being perpetrated on federal property and on federal personnel, instead of just letting it happen without repercussion, would look like "escalation." Most likely, a necessary and proper escalation.

Of course if your agenda is to increase conflict by interfering with and assaulting citizens legally exercising their constitutional rights then they are doing a wonderful job.

Citizens don't have a constitutional right to destroy federal property or to assault federal personnel or to interfere with federal law enforcement bringing those who illegally destroy federal property to justice.

Who’s big fear is that they will take your guns away because you might do something?

People like the couple in St. Louis who are being prosecuted and who's guns were taken away because they bore their legally owned arms on their own property, when they perceived that they were being threatened by a mob.

Acting DHS Secretary Chad Wolf tells Fox that they're "proactive arrest[ing] people" in Portland.

Arresting people is inherently proactive, not passive or inactive.

[detbuch]

This is a really, really good video explaining what the federal agencies are doing in Portland. It is specific and detailed. It points out the misinformation that has been disseminated by various media. It answers some of the specific allegations made against the agents. It is far, far more informative as to what is going on than the highly selective video clips made to portray the agents as thugs, storm troopers, Nazis, etc. If you're serious about actually wanting to know, rather than just relying on anything that bolsters your opinion of Trump--who BTW, does not have much to do with what FDS, DHS, and other fed agencies are doing in Portland. Please watch the whole thing. It's not boring, far from it:

[Pete F.]

Just remember, this is Donald Trump’s America.
As I said weeks ago this is what he wanted to divert attention from his incompetent response to the Trump virus.
146,000 dead

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[wdmso]

Just declare martial law in all the Dem controlled cities and arrest the rioters and the

A response from Trumps base on him sending in the feds .. the person who posted it must think of themselves as a Real American

[Sea Dangles]

Cherry picking dolts

[Pete F.]

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Yes doing just that makes this country not china not russia and a host of other nations.
, no one is defending their lawlessness , were against law enforcement and this administration justifying law enforcement ,,action of , snatching people off the street wisking them to unknown locations and yet pressing no charges

They are not just randomly "snatching" people off the street. Because local law enforcement will not prevent the criminals from destroying federal property, the federal agents are constantly on the alert and observing who is doing the destruction. So they have probable cause to question someone they have observed doing criminal behavior against the federal facilities and personnel.

When a perpetrator does something and then sneaks back into the crowd, they have been observed, and the federal agents go to question them. When they are menaced by the crowd, they remove the perp to a safe place and question him there. This was all explained in the video I posted above in post #75. You probably chose to not watch it and remain ignorant.

But your acceptance of these action goes to the root cause of BLM and the out cry against police brutality, you enable police to step outside the law to exact retribution ...rather than demanding they operate with in the law

They are operating within the law. Watch the video.

You clear have ingnored Trumps rhetoric on the topic ,,, or the absent of their presence in years past in some of these same areas or Trumps pattern of trying to please his base.like sending Troops to stop those horrible Mexicans caravan prior to the mid term elections,,

The federal agents were already in Portland, haave been there for years. They are the ones who requested help from other federal agencies because of the peculiar situation in Porland. Watch the video or just remain ignorant.

Also the right after every mass shooting the right continue to defend the criminals and their lawlessness and act as though they have "rights" as they trample the rights of others.... and complain about gun control and those who's rights were taken aka killed get T&P.

I don't recall the "right" defending mass shooters.

ALSO. Were are all these tough guy sheriffs who go on Fox proclaiming they wont do this or wont do that because it unconstitutional. It wont help them in a reelection iam guessing?

???? Are you having a wdmso moment here?

Look at what happen to liz Cheney attacked for not be loyal enough to the dear leader. Wake up your supporting a character not a POTUS who thinks he has absolute power.. and his base thinks so as well

He has the "absolute" power enumerated in Article 2 of the Constitution. If that offends you, start a campaign to amend the Constitution. Or just vote in enough Progressives until they have the absolute power to do as they wish and to appoint SCOTUS justices who will "interpret" the Constitution in a way that won't offend you.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

He has the "absolute" power enumerated in Article 2 of the Constitution. If that offends you, start a campaign to amend the Constitution. Or just vote in enough Progressives until they have the absolute power to do as they wish and to appoint SCOTUS justices who will "interpret" the Constitution in a way that won't offend you.

That's the issue with guys like you .. you never take the time to consider even if you believe he has absolute power ,,if he. Should. Of course unless the behavior is conducted by a someone with a D next to their name... your answer is always hell no .. no matter the action

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

That's the issue with guys like you .. you never take the time to consider even if you believe he has absolute power ,,if he. Should. Of course unless the behavior is conducted by a someone with a D next to their name... your answer is always hell no .. no matter the action

You demonstrate the issue with guys like you here by making broad statements of opinion as if they are true because you say so, but they are stupid, false statements that you could not possibly substantiate because they are not true.

Not saying you're a liar. But that you are obstinately and falsely opinionated when you make statements like this. Why you need to say stuff like this, I am not qualified to have an opinion on.

[Pete F.]

Words matter

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

. Why you need to say stuff like this, .

Watch and listen to the videos below..is why

my disdain for Trump is based on his action his words his personal lack of integrity he is a man with zero moral character... it has nothing to do with the word Republican. Because he isnt one .. he is a RINO of the highest order .. you cant drain a swamp if you've lived in one your whole life and just replaced it with creatures from your own swamp . Who put their loyalty to Trump before country

DHS director as case in point lobbyists and only acting ... the law states Acting Secretary can only serve for 210 days following vacancy by a Senate-confirmed officehold.

So much for I am the law an order president,,, I'd like to know who's driving and making Trumps decisions,,, because hes not coming up with these end arounds or his article 2 position on his own...

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Watch and listen to the videos below..is why

Don't know which videos you refer to, but when I post videos you pay them no credence so I don't know what special credence I should give to yours. Most video clips, from both "sides" are slices from a whole meant to disparage in some way. You used to chide me for relying on the net which is supposedly full of junk, but you don't mind searching it to find what suits you.

my disdain for Trump is based on his action his words

Words from anyone, selected for a purpose, can distort for a purpose. Trump has spoken lots of conciliatory, unifying, patriotic, attempts at compromise, that you won't quote. Words have been selected from Obama, Clinton, Biden, Schumer, Pelosi, to make them look bad. It's easy to do.

his personal lack of integrity he is a man with zero moral character...

If we don't personally know the man, we can only depend on what others say. And how they slant it. In terms of what has been said about Trump, it depends on the source. There certainly have been testimonials to his showing "moral" character as well as the opposite. How you arrive at zero moral character, I don't know.

I suspect it's what you want to be true.

And, for whatever reason, other politicians, don't seem to get incessant scrutiny of their character. I suspect that Biden wouldn't do all that great on the moral count if fly speck scrutiny were done on his past.

it has nothing to do with the word Republican. Because he isnt one .. he is a RINO of the highest order ..

I don't know what an accurate definition of "Republican" is other than claiming to be one. There is a lot of diversity between all the pols within each party. Trump has governed as, or more, conservatively than most of the recent Republican Presidents.

you cant drain a swamp if you've lived in one your whole life

Sure you can.

and just replaced it with creatures from your own swamp . Who put their loyalty to Trump before country

Another one of your unsubstantiated opinions.

DHS director as case in point lobbyists and only acting ... the law states Acting Secretary can only serve for 210 days following vacancy by a Senate-confirmed officehold.
So much for I am the law an order president,,, I'd like to know who's driving and making Trumps decisions,,, because hes not coming up with these end arounds or his article 2 position on his own...

Don't know much about that. Apparently, there are ways to get around the 210 days. Every administration has pulled shenanigans. No doubt Trump's has its share.

For me reputed character is far down on the list of reasons to vote. Leading Democrats are no more "moral" in any important way, as far as I'm concerned, than Trump.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Don't know much about that. Apparently, there are ways to get around the 210 days. Every administration has pulled shenanigans. No doubt Trump's has its share.

For me reputed character is far down on the list of reasons to vote. Leading Democrats are no more "moral" in any important way, as far as I'm concerned, than Trump.

The way he gets around it is other people not doing their job, they failed in January.

An innocent man doesn’t hide his tax returns. A successful man doesn’t lie about his crowd size. An honest man doesn’t cheat to win an election.

Everything Tweety accuses Biden of doing, he does himself, only worse. So when Tweety World tried to shop the idea that Biden was creepy with women, all it really did was remind people that Tweety has more than two dozen sexual assault allegations on his rap sheet. There is a current court case looking for a DNA sample for the alleged rape of E. Jean Carrol but Tweety claims he doesn't have the time. Be pretty easy to do one when he's having his daily Covid test.

When Tweety World pushed the idea that Hunter Biden was somehow corrupt, you couldn’t help but think about Javanka and DJTJ and all the ways Tweety's family has been siphoning cash out of any place they can.

Tweety World tried painting Joe as doddering and old at the same time that Tweety was rambling through daily press conferences and struggling to walk down a ramp. Then for his encore performance Tweety did his person woman man camera tv routine.

A federal judge on Thursday ordered the release from prison of Tweety’s former lawyer and fixer Michael Cohen by Friday afternoon.
The judge found that Cohen was sent back to prison in retaliation for not agreeing not to publish a book about Tweety while on furlough from prison. There will be more of that story emerging.

I can think of four times when Tweety has publicly extended his best wishes to people charged with federal crimes by DOJ: Roger Stone, Michael Flynn, Paul Manafort — and now Ghislaine Maxwell.

So now, Tweety is no longer the outsider promising to blow things up and got elected because what did you have to lose?
Well, he’s the guy in charge and he blew everything up. Promises made, promises kept!

Now his problem is that Americans can see exactly how much they’ve lost and are very aware of how much they still could lose.

And it’s a lot.

[Sea Dangles]

I wonder what Bitch slapped boy is afraid of...

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The way he gets around it is other people not doing their job, they failed in January.

Sounds like our typical incompetent and, or, corrupt American politics. Can't think of too many administrations or congresses (maybe Coolidge admin.) in the past 150 years or so that didn't mix in some monkey business or didn't get around some rule or other. That's not to excuse it, just find it hard to get worked up enough about it to vote for the other side who'll do likewise.

An innocent man doesn’t hide his tax returns.

Trump's returns are not hidden. They are in the hands of the IRS which has found nothing wrong with them. I'm not interested in publicizing my returns. Don't know anybody who is. I think a lot of innocent men would not want to publicize their returns, especially not want some enemy to pore over them. If the IRS found nothing wrong with them, then I can't conceive of anything in them that would make me want to put Progressives in control of this country.

A successful man doesn’t lie about his crowd size.

The inauguration crowd? That's debatable. There are several videos made by those who wanted to attend of hundreds who were turned away. And the internet viewers were reported by some to be record numbers.

And there have been attempts by media and anti-Trumpers to severely downplay the numbers of his rallies in the past So there have either been errors or lies about the size of those crowds. And, they have mostly been larger than typical Biden or Hillary crowds.

An honest man doesn’t cheat to win an election.

An honest man doesn't accuse someone of cheating if he can't prove it.

Everything Tweety accuses Biden of doing, he does himself, only worse. So when Tweety World tried to shop the idea that Biden was creepy with women, all it really did was remind people that Tweety has more than two dozen sexual assault allegations on his rap sheet. There is a current court case looking for a DNA sample for the alleged rape of E. Jean Carrol but Tweety claims he doesn't have the time. Be pretty easy to do one when he's having his daily Covid test.

So is this supposed to be a contest of who is worse?
Well, for me, it is not who is worse, but what is worse. The Progressive transformation of this country into a regulatory state instead of a constitutional republic is worse.

When Tweety World pushed the idea that Hunter Biden was somehow corrupt, you couldn’t help but think about Javanka and DJTJ and all the ways Tweety's family has been siphoning cash out of any place they can.

Actually I could help to not think about it. Actually, before Covid, the country was doing far better than it had been before Trump. Getting back to that would be more important than the supposed Trump family siphoning. And it would especially be what I want as opposed to the Progressive takeover of this country.

Tweety World tried painting Joe as doddering and old at the same time that Tweety was rambling through daily press conferences and struggling to walk down a ramp. Then for his encore performance Tweety did his person woman man camera tv routine.

This is the kind of stuff that makes some difference to you?

A federal judge on Thursday ordered the release from prison of Tweety’s former lawyer and fixer Michael Cohen by Friday afternoon.
The judge found that Cohen was sent back to prison in retaliation for not agreeing not to publish a book about Tweety while on furlough from prison. There will be more of that story emerging.

Oh, no doubt, there will be more and more stories emerging. And, no doubt, you will gleefully tell us about them.

I can think of four times when Tweety has publicly extended his best wishes to people charged with federal crimes by DOJ: Roger Stone, Michael Flynn, Paul Manafort — and now Ghislaine Maxwell.

Oh . . . the horror.

So now, Tweety is no longer the outsider promising to blow things up and got elected because what did you have to lose?
Well, he’s the guy in charge and he blew everything up. Promises made, promises kept!

I was quite happy with what Trump was doing before Covid. The whole world has been economically devastated since then.
Only thing worse than that is a Progressive takeover of America.

Now his problem is that Americans can see exactly how much they’ve lost and are very aware of how much they still could lose.

And it’s a lot.

Yes, we can lose our Republic with our unalienable rights if we place the Progressives in total power. And to do that just in order to get rid of Trump is a real sick form of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Yes, we can lose our Republic with our unalienable rights if we place the Progressives in total power. And to do that just in order to get rid of Trump is a real sick form of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

You can keep believing in the barking carnival clown
If this ZTI thing is correct and not just some unit patch misunderstanding, the Tweety administration and interior minister Bill Barr Have released a private mercenary army on to our streets.

The truth and reconciliation commission is going to be amazing.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

the Tweety administration and interior minister Bill Barr Have released a private mercenary army on to our streets.


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time for your medication....

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

time for your medication....

Ok Yoho
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

You can keep believing in the barking carnival clown
If this ZTI thing is correct and not just some unit patch misunderstanding, the Tweety administration and interior minister Bill Barr Have released a private mercenary army on to our streets.

The truth and reconciliation commission is going to be amazing.
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You referring to this:

"A photo is going viral on social media showing a federal agent holding a gun in Portland, Oregon while wearing what appears to be a patch that reads “ZTI.” Some people on social media are speculating that this is connected to a private company called ZTi. However, that is not accurate. The patch actually reads ZT1 and is part of an identifier system that federal agencies are using right now in Portland instead of placing an officer’s name

[scottw]

MINNEAPOLIS (WCCO) — Minnesotans marched Thursday in protest of the Trump administration’s use of federal officers on the West Coast.

The group met at the federal courthouse in downtown Minneapolis earlier in the evening before marching through the city.


rent-a-mob...these people need jobs to go to...protesting should not be an occupation

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

MINNEAPOLIS (WCCO) — Minnesotans marched Thursday in protest of the Trump administration’s use of federal officers on the West Coast.

The group met at the federal courthouse in downtown Minneapolis earlier in the evening before marching through the city.


rent-a-mob...these people need jobs to go to...protesting should not be an occupation

Watch the video of just one antifa terrorist. This was from Portland last night.


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