Feinstein’s opening statement in Barrett hearings

[PaulS]

Everyone (other than Trump) has learned a lot since early on - and will continue to learn new things. You go on the best science based info. you have. Trump ignores science (and frequently does the opposite).

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Everyone (other than Trump) has learned a lot since early on - and will continue to learn new things. You go on the best science based info. you have. Trump ignores science (and frequently does the opposite).

Oh, I see...

You allow democrats the benefit of a learning curve.

"go on the best science based info. you have"

So how is it, back in January, that Trump saw the need for travel restrictions, but the democrats all missed it?

And back in January/February when Cuomo was forcing nursing homes to admit infected residents, most people knew at that time, that the disease was especially dangerous for seniors. Yet Cuomo forced nursing homes to admit covid-positive residents, and prohibited nursing homes from allowing healthy people to visit loved ones. You're saying with a straight face, that this was based on the best science available at the time.

Liberal=good, conservative=bad, no exceptions, not ever.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Oh, I see...

You allow democrats the benefit of a learning curve.

"go on the best science based info. you have"

So how is it, back in January, that Trump saw the need for travel restrictions, but the democrats all missed it?

And back in January/February when Cuomo was forcing nursing homes to admit infected residents, most people knew at that time, that the disease was especially dangerous for seniors. Yet Cuomo forced nursing homes to admit covid-positive residents, and prohibited nursing homes from allowing healthy people to visit loved ones. You're saying with a straight face, that this was based on the best science available at the time.

Liberal=good, conservative=bad, no exceptions, not ever.

You always come back to the famous “partial” travel ban, boy are you stuck on that, consider it did nothing to prevent Covid coming in from Europe or from US citizens allowed back in from China with little testing or quarantine. Like a screen door on a submarine, but you hang your MAGA hat on it with pride.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

You always come back to the famous “partial” travel ban, boy are you stuck on that, consider it did nothing to prevent Covid coming in from Europe or from US citizens allowed back in from China with little testing or quarantine. Like a screen door on a submarine, but you hang your MAGA hat on it with pride.

"You always come back to the famous “partial” travel ban, boy are you stuck on that"

It's th eone thing Trump did. It the democrats said it was an overreaction.

"it did nothing to prevent Covid coming in from Europe or from US citizens allowed back in from China with little testing or quarantine"

I'm not saying the travel restrictions helped or didn't help. I'm saying he implemented that ban early, and all the elected democrats and everyone in the media, said it was an overreaction. You had very prominent democrats - Pelosi and Diblasio - encouraging people to go to crowded public places in late February. You have Biden saying Trumps travel restrictions were "hysterical" and "xenophobic". If they get a pass, then on what basis do you attack Trump? Trump was more conservative than they were. If Trump is guilty of not doing enough (and maybe that's fair), then how can they not be more guilty? They were saying into late February, that the virus wasn't serious enough to warrant even Trumps travle restrictions. Again, you can't have it both ways. But that's what you're trying to do.

I'm very reluctant to give anyone grades on this issue, I just don't know enough. But it's absurd to give Cuomo and Pelosi and Biden a pass for what they said and did, and simultaneously say Trump should have done much more. There's no logic to that, that's pure partisan bullsh*t, and it's what every one of you is doing.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I'm not saying the travel restrictions helped or didn't help. I'm saying he implemented that ban early, and all the elected democrats and everyone in the media, said it was an overreaction.

I don't remember any prominent Democrat criticizing the travel restrictions. It was the recommendation by HHS and many airlines were already canceling flights.

You have Biden saying Trumps travel restrictions were "hysterical" and "xenophobic".

He never said this Jim.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I don't remember any prominent Democrat criticizing the travel restrictions. It was the recommendation by HHS and many airlines were already canceling flights.


He never said this Jim.

"I don't remember any prominent Democrat criticizing the travel restrictions."

You're lying, or amazingly ignorant. Biden said it was hysterical and xenophobic. Pelosi introduced a bill in the House to undo the travel restrictions, even Chris Cuomo pans her for that.

Where in Gods name do you get your news?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"I don't remember any prominent Democrat criticizing the travel restrictions."

You're lying, or amazingly ignorant. Biden said it was hysterical and xenophobic. Pelosi introduced a bill in the House to undo the travel restrictions, even Chris Cuomo pans her for that.

Where in Gods name do you get your news?

clearly not where you get yours

It’s true that Biden has referred to Trump and some of his statements and actions in the context of his handling of the coronavirus outbreak as “xenophobic.” But it’s unclear whether Biden was specifically referencing Trump’s travel restriction on China, as Trump has claimed.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"You always come back to the famous “partial” travel ban, boy are you stuck on that"

It's th eone thing Trump did. It the democrats said it was an overreaction.

"it did nothing to prevent Covid coming in from Europe or from US citizens allowed back in from China with little testing or quarantine"

I'm not saying the travel restrictions helped or didn't help. I'm saying he implemented that ban early, and all the elected democrats and everyone in the media, said it was an overreaction. You had very prominent democrats - Pelosi and Diblasio - encouraging people to go to crowded public places in late February. You have Biden saying Trumps travel restrictions were "hysterical" and "xenophobic". If they get a pass, then on what basis do you attack Trump? Trump was more conservative than they were. If Trump is guilty of not doing enough (and maybe that's fair), then how can they not be more guilty? They were saying into late February, that the virus wasn't serious enough to warrant even Trumps travle restrictions. Again, you can't have it both ways. But that's what you're trying to do.

I'm very reluctant to give anyone grades on this issue, I just don't know enough. But it's absurd to give Cuomo and Pelosi and Biden a pass for what they said and did, and simultaneously say Trump should have done much more. There's no logic to that, that's pure partisan bullsh*t, and it's what every one of you is doing.

Jim since it’s the World Series opener today let’s go with a baseball analogy. It would be like watching your starting pitcher fan the first three batters he faces, then giving up three walks with grand slam in the third, back to back home runs in a five run forth, then putting three on to start the fifth and still not pulling him. Jim the manager keeps saying to the team hey remember how good he was in the first two innings we could still win with him, let’s make this team great again.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Jim since it’s the World Series opener today let’s go with a baseball analogy. It would be like watching your starting pitcher fan the first three batters he faces, then giving up three walks with grand slam in the third, back to back home runs in a five run forth, then putting three on to start the fifth and still not pulling him. Jim the manager keeps saying to the team hey remember how good he was in the first two innings we could still win with him, let’s make this team great again.

again, you’re completely ignoring what the democrats did.

in your analogy, the democrats were in favor of leaving the starting pitcher in after the three walks, then after the home
run and only then, are they acting like the manager should have known to take him out.

there weren’t any orominent democrats in january and february, calling for more severe reaction.

we closed schools and shut the economy down. almost everyone is wearing masks outside. what more do you want? what more should we have done??

we bent the curve, which everyone said wasn’t guaranteed. no hospitals were overwhelmed, out of respirators. unemployment and the stock market coming back. m

way too many dead, but what were democrats suggesting in january, which trump ignored, which would
have helped? can you name
anything at all?
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

You allow democrats the benefit of a learning curve.

Democratic areas were hardest hit first, this isn't rocket science.

So how is it, back in January, that Trump saw the need for travel restrictions, but the democrats all missed it?

The Democrats weren't in a position to enact any restrictions nor were they privy to the same intelligence Trump was which was far more serious than he was letting on.

And back in January/February when Cuomo was forcing nursing homes to admit infected residents, most people knew at that time, that the disease was especially dangerous for seniors. Yet Cuomo forced nursing homes to admit covid-positive residents, and prohibited nursing homes from allowing healthy people to visit loved ones.

This isn't true. NY did not force nursing homes to accept sick patients, some of them mistakenly thought that was the directive. The investigation into this showed the majority of deaths occurred because of sick workers causing infections compounded by unsafe operating practices rather than sick occupants being moved back in from hospitals.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Democratic areas were hardest hit first, this isn't rocket science.


The Democrats weren't in a position to enact any restrictions nor were they privy to the same intelligence Trump was which was far more serious than he was letting on.


This isn't true. NY did not force nursing homes to accept sick patients, some of them mistakenly thought that was the directive. The investigation into this showed the majority of deaths occurred because of sick workers causing infections compounded by unsafe operating practices rather than sick occupants being moved back in from hospitals.

this is hilarious...

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Democratic areas were hardest hit first, this isn't rocket science.


The Democrats weren't in a position to enact any restrictions nor were they privy to the same intelligence Trump was which was far more serious than he was letting on.


This isn't true. NY did not force nursing homes to accept sick patients, some of them mistakenly thought that was the directive. The investigation into this showed the majority of deaths occurred because of sick workers causing infections compounded by unsafe operating practices rather than sick occupants being moved back in from hospitals.

"The Democrats weren't in a position to enact any restrictions "

They weren't in a position in January to implement the lockdowns that they eventually implemented in March? What changed?

"nor were they privy to the same intelligence Trump was which was far more serious than he was letting on"

The feds were keeping secrets from the states. That's what you're saying? And only Trump had the federal intelligence, not any democrats in congress? The democrat-controlled house, they didn't get briefings?

You're not backing into whatever scenario paints the democrats in the best possible light, no sir.

Every assumption you make, is in favor of liberals. Trump had the intelligence, but somehow congress didn't. Trump conspired with Russia, but the Bidens didn't sell influence for money.

It' snot Cuomos fault that NY was hit early and hard. Forcing nursing homes to admit sick residents? Beyond stupid.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Everyone (other than Trump) has learned a lot since early on

he said wearing masks is patriotic(especially the trump masks)