In more this is a stupid time to be alive

[Slipknot]

Not only are the Dems not even trying to curb these illegal actions, the other politicians like Republicans etc. seem to be silent about it so maybe they are cowards as well.

Anyone who agrees with trying to erase history by vandalizing, or removing statues because of someone's feelings, is a Communist and hates our country. If you hate our country, go to another country like Venezuela and see how the USA will be when you complete the pussification of America. This madness needs to stop now, take the video evidence and prosecute all who did this and make them pay reparations to replace or clean what was damaged or painted.
You want to peacefully protest, fine but don't destroy things. Some of those people with their pent up anger have never built or made anything in their lives, go to trade school or get a real education to advance yourself. There is zero defense for destroying statues, zero excuse, excuses are for babies. These entitled mindset people are not solving any issues the way they are gathering the media attention, all they are doing is having a baby hissy fit to get what they want, it is pathetic. And what is disturbing is it is working for them.

Teach civics in school again, Progressives have ruined the education system trying to condition our youth. And yes teach history and the reason to learn it.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

Teach civics in school again, Progressives have ruined the education system trying to condition our youth. And yes teach history and the reason to learn it.

and they've misdiagnosed so many of these youngsters and put them on mind altering drugs now they are all screwed up taking out their off- the-meds anger on inanimate objects..at least they are keeping the spray paint companies in business through this difficult time

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

Not only are the Dems not even trying to curb these illegal actions, the other politicians like Republicans etc. seem to be silent about it so maybe they are cowards as well.

Anyone who agrees with trying to erase history by vandalizing, or removing statues because of someone's feelings, is a Communist and hates our country. If you hate our country, go to another country like Venezuela and see how the USA will be when you complete the pussification of America. This madness needs to stop now, take the video evidence and prosecute all who did this and make them pay reparations to replace or clean what was damaged or painted.
You want to peacefully protest, fine but don't destroy things. Some of those people with their pent up anger have never built or made anything in their lives, go to trade school or get a real education to advance yourself. There is zero defense for destroying statues, zero excuse, excuses are for babies. These entitled mindset people are not solving any issues the way they are gathering the media attention, all they are doing is having a baby hissy fit to get what they want, it is pathetic. And what is disturbing is it is working for them.

Teach civics in school again, Progressives have ruined the education system trying to condition our youth. And yes teach history and the reason to learn it.

I think there are legitimate reasons for bringing some down, and that does not necessarily make them a Communist, but there ARE Communists, Anarchists, and surely Opportunists pulling the strings. Though Spence and Wayne would have you think it is Gun Toting Right Wingers in Hawaiian Shirts doing this.

[Slipknot]

There certainly is no shortage of Opportunists. I despise them. Try earning it with actual work.

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I think there are legitimate reasons for bringing some down

You mean there are statues that glorify owning slaves? or are demeaning to some people? which ones


Will the Flatearthers be taking down statues of Neil Armstrong, was it they who beheaded Columbus?

It needs to stop NOW

[spence]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

You mean there are statues that glorify owning slaves? or are demeaning to some people? which ones


Will the Flatearthers be taking down statues of Neil Armstrong, was it they who beheaded Columbus?

It needs to stop NOW

Yea, we should celebrate traitors who tried to secede so their racism could continue unfettered. People have been complaining about these for the past 50 plus years.
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[zimmy]

Originally Posted by spence

Yea, we should celebrate traitors who tried to secede so their racism could continue unfettered. People have been complaining about these for the past 50 plus years.
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Good thing is even children seem to understand there is a difference between public statues and museums and history books. "Towns still have public statues of guys who wanted to make (friend's name) great great whatever grandparents stay as slaves? That's crazy." -12 year old boy
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by zimmy

Good thing is even children seem to understand there is a difference between public statues and museums and history books. "Towns still have public statues of guys who wanted to make (friend's name) great great whatever grandparents stay as slaves? That's crazy." -12 year old boy
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You, Spence, and I can have a reasoned discussion on why or why not a Confederate statue should be moved or not, and maybe even understand some of the history there. You would think a politician could too, right? Where are the reasoned politicians?

We are way out of balance right now

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by zimmy

Good thing is even children seem to understand there is a difference between public statues and museums and history books. "Towns still have public statues of guys who wanted to make (friend's name) great great whatever grandparents stay as slaves? That's crazy." -12 year old boy
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What would the 12 year old boy think would be different about the public statue if it were placed in a museum?

[wdmso]

Nothing last forever.. American has changed constantly since it inception and ever generation has complained about the future generations and how their ways of thinking were going to destroy the American life as they saw it. From the transitions from horse to automobiles to elvis's evil girations to that horrible rocknroll or gray marriage.. Americas future is no longer in our hands we had are bite at the apple ... restiance is futile.. change will happen quietly or by force History is full of examples of both ..

When you have leaders Like Trump who got elected on the idea of overthrowing the system ..( he wants to reverse Time) it's hard to complain when others disagree and want to see some of that system changed ,, ..not suprising the parts Trump wants to keep are thoses who he thinks have the power to keep him in power like doj military the police.and the tough people ... discredit the press history is full of people like Trump. Just not that many have been Americans ... so Trump has another 1st under his belt

[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I think there are legitimate reasons for bringing some down legally,

if we are just going to have fools running around with spray paint and sledge hammers destroying whatever is in their path with no repercussions unless something falls in their empty heads...there is no stopping anyone else from destroying property they find upsetting or "intolerable"....

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I think there are legitimate reasons for bringing some down, and that does not necessarily make them a Communist, but there ARE Communists, Anarchists, and surely Opportunists pulling the strings. Though Spence and Wayne would have you think it is Gun Toting Right Wingers in Hawaiian Shirts doing this.

I have never even insinuated that right wing radicals are behind the removal of monuments.
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[zimmy]

Originally Posted by spence

I have never even insinuated that right wing radicals are behind the removal of monuments.
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They are the "very fine people" with the swastikas and torches on the other side of some of these events.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by zimmy

They are the "very fine people" with the swastikas and torches on the other side of some of these events.
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There are very fine people on BOTH sides. That sounds like a unifying comment, not a divisive one. You have a problem with that?

[scottw]

the left continues to lie and butcher the "very fine people" comment...pretty sad


TRUMP: Those people — all of those people --excuse me, I've condemned neo-Nazis. I've condemned many different groups. But not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me. Not all of those people were white supremacists by any stretch. Those people were also there because they wanted to protest the taking down of a statue of Robert E. Lee.


If you take a look at some of the groups, and you see — and you'd know it if honest reporters, which in many cases you're not — but many of those people were there to protest the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee.

So this week it's Robert E. Lee. I noticed that Stonewall Jackson is coming down. I wonder, is it George Washington next week? And is it Thomas Jefferson the week after? You know, you really do have to ask yourself, where does it stop?


TRUMP: You had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group.


You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.

Q George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same.

TRUMP: Well now, George Washington was a slave owner. Was George Washington a slave owner? So will George Washington now lose his status? Are we going to take down —

Excuse me, are we going to take down- are we going to take down statues to George Washington? How about Thomas Jefferson? What do you think of Thomas Jefferson? You like him?

Q I do love Thomas Jefferson.

TRUMP: Okay, good. Are we going to take down the statue? Because he was a major slave owner. Now, are we going to take down his statue?

So you know what, it's fine. You're changing history. You're changing culture. And you had people — and I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists — because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.



Jefferson toppled in Portland......

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

Anyone who agrees with trying to erase history by vandalizing, or removing statues because of someone's feelings, is a Communist and hates our country. If you hate our country, go to another country like Venezuela and see how the USA will be when you complete the pussification of America.

Statues are put up in honor. Taking down statues isn't about erasing history. Complete misread, but seems like the one the cons are pushing. Museums are for archiving history. Don't think anybody is breaking into museums and tearing them apart. Tearing down a Grant statue is stupid.
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