Batson's breaking.

[tlapinski]

in 1 year, of the 7 batson blanks built between 3 guys i fish with (3 - 1088's and 4 - 1089's), 5 have broken! my two 1089's are the only ones still standing. all of the 1088's and 2 of the 4 1089's are now in pieces. only one has been on a fish. the last 1089 broke saturday night on a 45" fish. has anyone else run into this problem??? i am all done with these rods. they just aren't worth the effort of building them if they keep snapping. all Lami's from here on out for me!!!

[JeffH]

Now that you are fishing in my spots I snuck over your house and filed small grooves into your rods.....................................

[tlapinski]

thanks Jeff, i knew some one had to be messing with me...... actually, these were not any rods i own that broke. they were all built by those other guys that follow me around everywhere......

[Fishaddict]

Lap, I don't own any of the 108 series, but have absolutely no problems with my SW1208 and SW1209. Fish them both very hard, and used the 1209 to jig the ditch all last year with with 4 and 5oz. Love my Batson's..

[Mike P]

Could be those guys are damaging their blanks when they wrap them Or maybe they bought the blanks from the same source and they were all damaged in shipping?

Where are they snapping?

[tlapinski]

they did come from the same source, but the shop is very reputable. don't want to give any negative publicity to the shop. i advised on the building of all the rods. not that i am a pro in any form of the word, but i know the "right" way to build a rod and none of the other rods these guys have built have suffered the same fate. i am really baffled by this. the 1088's broke between the collector and next guide, all on casts. the 1089's broke within the top 1/3 of the blank on casts and then on the fish this weekend. i am afraid of what might happen when i start really using my 1089 i built for jigging.

[mikecc]

Sorry to here that T .
I build aprox 4 batsons a week and so far only 1 breakage in 1 1/2 years.
Don't know what to tell ya. Is it possible your thread is to tight ??

[Billy 40]

There was a post on one of the boards regarding a St Croix breaking right away. First one broke, returned it, got another, that one broke too. Same spot. Sounds similar here. The general concensus was they were probrably damaged.

I'm not defending Batson, or anyone, but I would think twice about your decision tonot build on them anymore due to this (these) incidents. IT sounds like a bad batch or effed up shipping. Based on Batson's rep, I'd blame shipping.

[Bawana]

Just out of personal curiosity what do the breaks look like? Are the blanks shattering or does it look more like a clean break right around the blank?I was wondering if perhaps the blank is getting scored when its being wrapped. Maybe they should call Batson there may have been a bad run but I*ve asked and no one so far has heard of a problem.

[Rapt Tite]

Email Batson...you should get a response immediatley...could have been a bad batch...could have been lots of things...the rainshadows give some pretty good bang for the buck and should be promoted not demoted.....keep in mind that long tubular graphite shafts with small diameter tips and selling features of "lightweight, sensitivity, strength, and power" has got to be a tough nut to crack for the manufacturers. I've seen broken lami's,st croixs,gloomis, even a c-star graphiter (must have been a car door)

[Todd Vivian]

Guys, in defense of any manufacturer that has to ship these type of blanks I need to say that damage can occur in shipping without visible damage to the carton. When they are handled at times they are thrown into and off of the trucks and hit against a wall or some other obstacle. With this type of impact these blanks (or rods) can be compressed to the point where the fibers may be fractured. We have had whole boxes of parts fail after this type of handling and the way that the break looks it is obvious that it is a compression type break.

Todd

[capesams]

All my blanks come in very large dia. pvc shping tubes...never any problems with damaged goods. If you look around an see the way people treat their rods, custom or not, it's a wonder there aren't more broken one's.

[Saltheart]

I have only ever built on customer supplied batson blanks but i believe Batsons do come with some sort of warrantee. 5 years? maybe?

[tlapinski]

i am pretty sure there is a warantee on the blanks. if they were my rods, they would have been sent in by now. the owners of the broken pieces haven't gotten around to returning them yet.

[JohnR]

You guys have seen my Batsons and the abuse I put them on - more abuse than big fish it seems. But my main rod - the 1088 has caught nearly a couple thousand bass with many hundred being keepers, many knocking on 30 pounds when fishing the rocks. It SHOULD have broken by now but it hasn't...

And like Karl said, BM hasn't broken his and he breaks everything

Todd - welcome to S-B

[fishaholic18]

Figured I'd bring this post up from the dead since I just built 2 SW1209's for a friend and they both broke in the same spot. One broke on the very 1st cast, other on about half dozen casts. Not a happy camper right now .
I know for sure it was not user error because I was with him when the 2nd one broke. He was getting ready to cast a 1.5oz. Popper and..POW!!! I also know he didn't damage it transporting it, since he had it in his car, unless of course these blanks are sensative to cloth seats...
Now let's see how much this one will cost me to keep him as a friend!! WTF!
BTW: I also had one blow up on me last year on the 1st cast.

[bassmaster]

Originally Posted by Karl F

I don't even think bassmaster has snapped a batson... know a lot of guys that fish them, haven't heard of any snapping up here?
Is there some kind of warrantee on the blank?

i broke 1 monday and broke 1 last year
i need another 1088 blank
(1 was right under the tip) and that was i think from me hitting a rock maybe
the other 1 broke above the 2nd guide from the bottom
but if it was a xra 1084 i would have snapped 20 of them so im happy with my rods i wrap

[fishaholic18]

Originally Posted by Karl F

anybody who is in the know??----> know if there is any kind of warrantee??? just in case there is a defect in the blank...
I don't mean "angler induced" either, any way to check for a manufacturer defect? just wandering??

Build it and cast it and cry when it breaks seems to be the way..

[snake slinger]

i broke one last year

[TheSpecialist]

From the Batson website:

RAINSHADOW/FORECAST BLANK WARRANTY AND SERVICE POLICY


Batson Enterprises -



Rainshadow/Forecast Blank Warranty & Service Policy: All Rainshadow/Forecast blanks are individually manufactured & inspected with the utmost care. However, should failure occur due to defects in materials or workmanship (To be determined by Batson Enterprises), the rod blank or section of the rod blank would be replaced (to be determined by Batson Enterprises) for no charge, during the warranty period. Batson Enterprises will not warranty blanks designed as Fly rods that are used as casting or spinning rods.



All Rainshadow blanks RX8+, RX7+, IF, ISB, ISJ, IC, IMB, IP, IFS, IFT, CB, IS, ISP, IMU, XMU, ISA, IST, DR, HS feature our Limited Lifetime Warranty. All Rainshadow blanks SWS, SW, SU, RT feature our 3 Year Warranty. All Forecast blanks F, MB, SB, FT, SJ, SH, SP, SPG, SWB, TS, FSU, Solid Glass feature our 2 Year Warranty.



The consumer must make all warranty claims directly to Batson Enterprises. Rainshadow/Forecast dealers or distributors are not authorized to perform warranty service for Batson Enterprises. Any repair work done outside the Batson Enterprises facility will void your warranty. All blanks should be properly packaged and insured when returning for warranty. A copy of the purchase receipt and this warranty card must accompany all warranty claims. A check or money order for $15.00 for return shipping & handling must accompany all warranty claims. Please include your name & contact information should we need to reach you.





Please ship all claims to:
Rainshadow/Forecast
Batson Enterprises, Inc
130 Harrison Rd. Suite #8
Sequim, WA 98382
E-mail: whouse@batsonenterprises.com
Attn: Warranty Department
1-877-875-2381 Ask for Warranty Department


Rainshadow/Forecast blanks not covered under warranty may also be replaced at a reasonable charge. Blanks with warranties that have expired or blanks damaged by misuse, accident, or normal wear are not covered under this warranty. Batson Enterprises will advise you of the cost of replacement and wait for approval before proceeding. Please remove all components that you want to retain before sending the rod back for warranty claim. If it is a multi-piece rod, remove components from the broken section only. Please send back the whole rod, if multi-piece, so that we can properly fit the new section. Batson Enterprises is not responsible for guides, cork, reel seat or any other items attached to the blank. Our warranty covers the blank only. This warranty is limited to the blank and does not cover direct, indirect, consequential, incidental or any other type of damage resulting from the use of the blank. Some states do not allow the exclusion or limitation of incidental or consequential damages so the above limitations may not apply to you. This warranty gives you specific legal rights, and you may also have other rights that vary from state to state.

[Saltheart]

I'm not making any comments on the quality of the Batson blanks as i don't know enough abouty them cause I only have built a few on customer supplied blanks.

I would say though that I think people are crazy to abandon tried and proven products like Lami and loomis and Allstars so quickly over about $30. It happens everytime a new blank comes out at a slightly reduced price. People switch brands instantly over small money . Again , no comment about the blanks , just the idea that people go for unproven stuff for what amounts to chump change when considered in light of all the money we spend on fishing.

[fishaholic18]

I'm not ribbing on Batson, I've built several and have been fishing a 1087. 1088 and 1209 for a few years now and haven't had any problems. I think the $ diff. is more than $30 also.
I contacted Batson via email and he assured me he would resolve the situation. I understand that it is not a perfect world and s$#$! happens. Just hope for the best I guess.

[bassmaster]

lami proven., yeah they prove to snap very well.
i need a rod to do 1 to 4 with out snapping and care not who makes it.
i do have lami's and like my sticks i have
but i need a rod that does 1 to 4 oz and the 1084 is junk

[bassmaster]

P.S. no ribbibing here, its not about doe , its about a good stick.
If You guys know of another rod that can go from 1to 4
I would like to here about it.
I like the balls of the xra rods good back bone.
But If I walk with a 1083 (have 2) then I got to stick to under to oz and the rod loves 1.7 oz for me.
my 1204 ina awsome needle rod But i wonder if a 3 oz lure will snap it. I toss eels with it and no worrys.
I have a grey graphite lami from 98 and it has a soft action yet back bone and I would'nt mind cutting one to fit a vs 150. I just dont know the model #
any one like 136 2f I have a blank new for trade...

[Saltheart]

A loomis 1266 will do 1 to 4.
Allstar 1089 will do 1-4





For the most part rods break right a way if they are defective. When rods break after many fish , I think they break cause of the way they are bounced around when being transported or put in and out of vehicles or because you stumble and wack them on rocks , etc. If you are beating the snot out of your rods , you got to figure they may break every now and then

[bassmaster]

I here you and thanks for the reply, My rods are racked with out reels at home inside
and on the truck they are in holders.
couldnt figure why the rod busted, I actually take care of them the best I can. rocks eat rods and I killed many a lami due to dings ect..
still love the 1088 though .
how do You feel about a xra 1321 and a vs 250?
would that long stick toss a bomber or other lure further than a 9' stick? and the sweet spot.
I have a 1322 in conv but dont use it like i use to , it is from the first or 2nd year they came out.
its to nice to strip and make a spinner but im thinking about it

[Mike P]

How about your 1204 for the Bombers? Same rod missing a foot from the butt as the 1321. Same tip size, same taper.

I have a Sabre 1087 and the 1204. I have some Daiwa reel with 14# Fireline on the 9', and the VS 200 and 20# FL on the 10'. Bombers seems to go about the same on each

[bassmaster]

mike if i go cut 1204 what is the top end of the rod for weight?

[Mike P]

No clue dave. I wouldn't do it. I'd rather cut a 1322 from the ass end for a 10' that could throw more weight than a 1204 and wasn't as stiff as a 1205.

I have one of the first 1322s too. Mike cc did a hell of a job spinning it. Original wraps are still nice and tight, color's still good. If I could get another 1322 blank for short money I might try cuting it and see how it worked.

[Saltheart]

I always thought the 1204 and 1321 were too delicate. On the other hand , I think the 1205 and 1322 are great rods. If you already have a 1204 , I wouldn't spend money on a 1321.