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06-24-2022, 08:50 PM
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20000 Americans killed by gun violence so far this year.
Harsh but irrefutable words from the dissent that go straight to core: decision "based on nothing more than the new views of new judges.The majority has overruled Roe & Casey for 1 and only 1 reason: because it has always despised them, and now it has the votes to discard them."
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06-24-2022, 08:59 PM
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20000 Americans killed by gun violence so far this year.
Harsh but irrefutable words from the dissent that go straight to core: decision "based on nothing more than the new views of new judges.The majority has overruled Roe & Casey for 1 and only 1 reason: because it has always despised them, and now it has the votes to discard them."
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so you know they didn’t do it because it was stupid law, but because or personal agenda. for a mind reader, you get a lot of stuff wrong.
it’s 10 pm and i haven’t heard a single legal
argument about why they were wrong. just whining that the left doesn’t like it.
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06-24-2022, 09:14 PM
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No Jim, science doesn’t back up anti abortion theory.
You better get used to the idea that every miscarriage from today forward will HAVE to be investigated for possible negligent homicide, manslaughter, 3rd degree murder, whatever your state calls it
Women are going to end up in prison for miscarriages. That's where this is going.
But checks and balances…
But legal precedence…
But political norms…
But compromise…
But settled law…
We heard a lot of feel-good rationalizations on our way to becoming Oceania, didn’t we?
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06-24-2022, 09:17 PM
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No Jim, science doesn’t back up anti abortion theory.
You better get used to the idea that every miscarriage from today forward will HAVE to be investigated for possible negligent homicide, manslaughter, 3rd degree murder, whatever your state calls it
Women are going to end up in prison for miscarriages. That's where this is going.
But checks and balances…
But legal precedence…
But political norms…
But compromise…
But settled law…
We heard a lot of feel-good rationalizations on our way to becoming Oceania, didn’t we?
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i said science makes it look uglier. Videos of late first trimester abortions show the baby physically resisting the instruments of the abortion. your side doesn’t want that out there.
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06-24-2022, 09:37 PM
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When you read Clarence Thomas’s concurrence, where he calls into question many other rights based on the fundamental right to privacy, remember that he testified unequivocally in his confirmation hearings that there is a right to privacy in the Constitution.
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06-25-2022, 07:33 AM
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When you read Clarence Thomas’s concurrence, where he calls into question many other rights based on the fundamental right to privacy, remember that he testified unequivocally in his confirmation hearings that there is a right to privacy in the Constitution.
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The other opinion very explicitly says that the ruling doesn’t apply to rights other then abortion.
There’s a solid legal
regiment for gay marriage and interracial marriage, the right not to be discriminated against.
There’s no defensible legal argument that a woman has a constitutional right to an abortion. it was a stupid legal decision.
You think it’s better for 9 unelected judges to decide these things for all of us, rather then we getting to decide through our state officials? you’re opposed to democracy?
Pete i’m a conservative living in CT. I made peace a king time ago with the family t that i won’t always get what i want. I do what i can, and i don’t even lose any sleep over it. I don’t like it obviously, but Im fine with it. It’s called democracy.
do you have any comment at all, about Maxine Waters’ language?
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06-25-2022, 09:47 AM
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The other opinion very explicitly says that the ruling doesn’t apply to rights other then abortion.
There’s a solid legal
regiment for gay marriage and interracial marriage, the right not to be discriminated against.
There’s no defensible legal argument that a woman has a constitutional right to an abortion. it was a stupid legal decision.
You think it’s better for 9 unelected judges to decide these things for all of us, rather then we getting to decide through our state officials? you’re opposed to democracy?
Pete i’m a conservative living in CT. I made peace a king time ago with the family t that i won’t always get what i want. I do what i can, and i don’t even lose any sleep over it. I don’t like it obviously, but Im fine with it. It’s called democracy.
do you have any comment at all, about Maxine Waters’ language?
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She’s far more of a realist than you.
Things have changed a lot since 1973. As a practical matter, it's a lot harder now for the government to block access to abortion.
So if states want to stop abortions – and they do – they're going to have to get a lot more invasive, and a lot more draconian, to do it.
The advocates of enforced gestation have at long last succeeded in stripping away Roe's Constitutional protections – only to find themselves in a world where, even after it's been outlawed, abortion care will still be available with a quick google search and a few mouse clicks.
Over half of all abortions are already done with medication that can be sent through the mail.
So, once abortions are made illegal, but most who seek abortion care are able to receive it anyway, are states like Texas and Georgia going to simply say, "oh well, we tried"?
To combat this, states are going to have to greatly expand the reach of their abortion prohibitions and the severity of the resulting punishments.
And they will likely try new ways to detect and investigate miscarriages – because every miscarriage is now a potential illegal act.
And that’s why MAGA states are no longer safe for women. Even women who would personally never have an abortion and oppose it. 1/4 of pregnancies end in miscarriage. Women of child bearing age are at risk of being treated like criminals or accused of a criminal act.
Don’t claim it won’t, because it already has happened.
This radical court will strip the right to privacy from every American eventually.
As far as your claim that the left is coming apart, Americans are coming together to deal with this radical MAGA court.
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06-30-2022, 09:22 AM
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She’s far more of a realist than you.
Things have changed a lot since 1973. As a practical matter, it's a lot harder now for the government to block access to abortion.
So if states want to stop abortions – and they do – they're going to have to get a lot more invasive, and a lot more draconian, to do it.
The advocates of enforced gestation have at long last succeeded in stripping away Roe's Constitutional protections – only to find themselves in a world where, even after it's been outlawed, abortion care will still be available with a quick google search and a few mouse clicks.
Over half of all abortions are already done with medication that can be sent through the mail.
So, once abortions are made illegal, but most who seek abortion care are able to receive it anyway, are states like Texas and Georgia going to simply say, "oh well, we tried"?
To combat this, states are going to have to greatly expand the reach of their abortion prohibitions and the severity of the resulting punishments.
And they will likely try new ways to detect and investigate miscarriages – because every miscarriage is now a potential illegal act.
And that’s why MAGA states are no longer safe for women. Even women who would personally never have an abortion and oppose it. 1/4 of pregnancies end in miscarriage. Women of child bearing age are at risk of being treated like criminals or accused of a criminal act.
Don’t claim it won’t, because it already has happened.
This radical court will strip the right to privacy from every American eventually.
As far as your claim that the left is coming apart, Americans are coming together to deal with this radical MAGA court.
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Jim’s forgotten that I answered him days ago, meanwhile he’s melting down because he found an editorial and watched a video.
Now the extreme MAGA court has made it so the Blackstone River can run colors again and probably hastened the end of the world by removing clean air restrictions.
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06-30-2022, 09:42 AM
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Jim’s forgotten that I answered him days ago, meanwhile he’s melting down because he found an editorial and watched a video.
Now the extreme MAGA court has made it so the Blackstone River can run colors again and probably hastened the end of the world by removing clean air restrictions.
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i was talking with wdmso.
what could i possibly have to melt down over? i’ve never been sitting as pretty, politically speaking, as i am right now. The GOP is poised to steamroll in november.
i converted almost all my holdings to cash at a very fortunate time, and the markets are dropping, and this is obviously just the beginning, as consumer spending hasnt meaningfully decreased yet, but it will. When the SP500 gets down to 3500, I’ll start getting back in, and i’ll do great eventually.
i’m poised to benefit nicely ( politically and economically) from current events, i have very little to melt down over.
another scotus decision today that’s a victory for democracy. If the feds want to impose intrusive mandates, those now have to come from congress ( where obviously they should come from), not from unelected beaurocrats. The EPA doesn’t have the right to make huge policy decisions that change our lives. Congress does that
I can see the headlines, “Supreme Court hates the environment! Read all about it!!”.
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06-25-2022, 08:47 AM
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As Roe falls, criminal defense lawyers sound the alarm about mass incarceration
with a criminalized abortion, the "victim" isn't pressing charges. They're fighting them.
Yep all these god fearing red states who have criminalized Abortion or the morning after pill people and have made laws to basically deputize those people in their rabid base to seek out and report these women killers or parents of Transgender children for child abuse! No facts required just a feeling or even less if the vote Democratic.
Keep telling yourself they are not come for gay marriage trans rights or birth control ( this case was only about 15week law but they moved the goal post). Thomas writing was for yard sale sign for those people and Thomas invited them to file lawsuits
But I love this one the best Roe was egregiously wrong from the start," Alito writes in the draft opinion. He’s been on the bench since 2006 . But in 2022 he and Republicans stacked the court enough ( with clear dishonesty)with like minded justices to take this position..
His solo dissent in that 1991 case is a big reason conservatives are so enthusiastic
At issue in the case, Planned Parenthood v. Casey, was whether a state could force married women to notify their husbands before they obtain an abortion. The Pennsylvania Legislature enacted such a regulation in 1989, saying a father has a legitimate interest in the fate of his unborn child.
Alito voted to uphold it as a judge on the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Philadelphia. He argued the rule did not put an “undue burden” on women, But when the case reached the Supreme Court in 1992, O’Connor and the court majority rejected Alito’s view and characterized the “spousal-notification” rule as an insult to married women. “Women do not lose their constitutionally protected liberty when they marry,” the court said in an opinion written in part by O’Connor. It is “repugnant to our present understanding of marriage” to permit the state “to enable the husband to wield an effective veto over his wife’s decision,” the court said.
Yep another devout Catholic were man is the boss
Jim there’s is noting to comment on what waters said .. only you and the your conservatives puppet masters
Are claiming she made a threat … it’s more likely because she’s Black ….
If I recall you defended .. video of Colorado Representative Lauren Boebert saying she prays that President Joe Biden's days are few Psalms 109:8. Just another example of selective reading and claiming something was said or inferred . When clearly the words don’t back you up
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06-25-2022, 09:19 AM
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wayne, please point to where i claimed Waters threatened anyone?
She said “the hell with” one of the three branches of our government, and she called for people to defy a court ruling.
And you say that’s not worth commenting on?
And you blatantly lie and say i claimed she’s threatening people.
I lived with Roe being in place my whole life. It never caused me to have any mental breakdowns. But the pendulum
has swung as it always does, and the left is coming apart, as they always do when they don’t get their way
I claimed she threatened people. Again, please point to where i said that.
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06-25-2022, 12:37 PM
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wayne, please point to where i claimed Waters threatened anyone?
She said “the hell with” one of the three branches of our government, and she called for people to defy a court ruling.
And you say that’s not worth commenting on?
And you blatantly lie and say i claimed she’s threatening people.
I lived with Roe being in place my whole life. It never caused me to have any mental breakdowns. But the pendulum
has swung as it always does, and the left is coming apart, as they always do when they don’t get their way
I claimed she threatened people. Again, please point to where i said that.
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Odd RR responds to your Thread
Looked to me like Jim started a post about the words of Maxine Waters & her call for violence……….
Silence …….
I didn’t see you correct Him .but now it’s not violence it’s about contempt of one of the branches of Government ..
You really don’t pay attention to the party that’s disrespectful to all 3 branches of government . But you don’t have much to say about them and the last administration behavior
Your just trying to create outrage we’re none exist
Please define your understanding of the use of defying the ruling ?
How would she or anyone do that in states who ban abortion, other than getting a back alley abortion
So how do you 2@ supporters comments every time gun control is mentioned. I hear a lot of stuff like over my dead body or they need to pry it from my dead cold hand
Or gun are to protect us from Government tyranny
For them it’s considered free speech
And their response is violence
it’s odd Water isn’t provided that same benefit of free speech to disagree with the ruling?
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06-25-2022, 10:05 AM
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pete you won’t comment on Waters’ remarks. You’re a coward.
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06-25-2022, 11:10 AM
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pete you won’t comment on Waters’ remarks. You’re a coward.
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I did, apparently you’re illiterate
Read what I wrote
She’s correct and you’re dreaming if you think that what the Supreme Court did will stop abortion in this country.
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06-25-2022, 11:47 AM
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I did, apparently you’re illiterate
Read what I wrote
She’s correct and you’re dreaming if you think that what the Supreme Court did will stop abortion in this country.
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i’ve said 100 times that overturning Roe can’t have much practical effect. Abortions will be available in half the states. So we agree.
Therefore, there’s no reason for your side to act like the world
just ended, is there?
So every time the court rules in a way the left doesn’t like, they can go to hell? is that how it works?
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06-25-2022, 12:24 PM
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i’ve said 100 times that overturning Roe can’t have much practical effect. Abortions will be available in half the states. So we agree.
Therefore, there’s no reason for your side to act like the world
just ended, is there?
So every time the court rules in a way the left doesn’t like, they can go to hell? is that how it works?
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They can be ignored at some peril.
You can’t imprison people for their thoughts yet and hopefully not in my state.
Next, the court will dismantle the federal regulatory apparatus on Monday.
This will push each state to have to implement its own wildly different environmental and regulatory regimes.
They're going to literally destroy the country.
In a country this polarized, leaving each state to do whatever it wants while keeping Congress broken and undemocratic by filibusters, gerrymandering and big money in elections, means the country will inevitably balkanize. Originalism is a path to national destruction.
Blue states will be providing corridors and safe havens for women, LGBT people and others, in shadows of the 1860s. Companies won't be able to have offices in some states. People won't send their kids to college in certain states. States will be constantly suing each other.
It all comes down to the fact that the compromises the Framers made to get slave states on board with a union were bad ones and led to a civil war. Reconstruction didn't last long enough. Jim Crow should have been demolished by force. This is the same #^&#^&#^&#^&, different day.
The "states should do whatever they want and the federal govt should have no power except what literally passes filibuster-proof through our broken, rigged, apartheid, and dark-money-drenched Congress & White House" crowd, if they win, will literally destroy the country.
Letting every state functionally be a country unto itself while leaving Congress rigged and broken is a horrifically bad idea. Republicans are literally destroying this country's ability to function as a unified whole.
All because some appointed people believe in the absurd originalist doctrine that claims
(1) we should ignore changes in social conditions or context
(2) we should trust politically motivated lawyers to interpret the contextual meaning of anything that happened 300 years ago.
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06-25-2022, 05:38 PM
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So all Trump appointees lied in confirmation hearings and we shouldn’t be pissed they have now become political, I think women might upset some races after their constitutional right is stripped away.
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So all Trump appointees lied in confirmation hearings and we shouldn’t be pissed they have now become political, I think women might upset some races after their constitutional right is stripped away.
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tell us the lie they told. none of them came close to saying they’d never overturn Roe.
Ginsburg started the precedent of refusing to promise how she’d decide a future hypothetical
case.
saying “i respect the law”, is nowhere near the same as saying “i wont overturn it.”.
it’s not a constitutional
right if it’s not even remotely implied in the constitution.
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tell us the lie they told. none of them came close to saying they’d never overturn Roe.
Ginsburg started the precedent of refusing to promise how she’d decide a future hypothetical
case.
saying “i respect the law”, is nowhere near the same as saying “i wont overturn it.”.
it’s not a constitutional
right if it’s not even remotely implied in the constitution.
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The judges who overturned it spent a lot of time swearing how much they care about stare decisis and settled law and social impact and blah blah blah knowing they'd do this if they got the chance. That's activism, not "returning it to the political process.
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The the judges who overturned it spent a lot of time swearing how much they care about stare decisis and settled law and social impact and blah blah blah knowing they'd do this if they got the chance. That's activism, not "returning it to the political process.
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did they promise not to overturn it?
Should we not have overturned the Dred Scott decision?
Roe was a stupid, completely fabricated decision. The protection against illegal search and seizure, implies the right to kill a baby? Sorry, it’s stupid.
And Trump did this to you. Let that sink in, and you’ll hear your tin foil
hat getting tighter and tighter.
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The judges who overturned it spent a lot of time swearing how much they care about stare decisis and settled law and social impact and blah blah blah knowing they'd do this if they got the chance. That's activism, not "returning it to the political process.
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caring about stare decks is isn’t the same thing as saying a ruling can
never be overturned. it’s not activism. it’s common sense.
Sticking to the constitution is the exact opposite of activism.
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If American women followed the Icelandic model
In 1975, women of Iceland went on strike for equal rights. 90% of women walked off their jobs & homes, shutting down the entire country. The men could barely cope. Five years later, Iceland elected first female President. Now Iceland has the highest gender equality in the world.
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Actually Jim, it was engineered by McConnell.
I’d also lay the blame on the worst CJ in SCOTUS history, John Roberts.
Under his watch, voter suppression from extreme gerrymandering, unlimited dark $ for candidates, overturning reasonable firearms restrictions, overturning Roe, & no ethics rules for compromised Justices like Clarence Thomas.
But this decision is much worse than Roe. There is no scientific or ethical or civil basis for the position that life begins at conception.
Religion is the only basis & our constitution forbids laws based on religious beliefs.
How’s your hero Trump doing?
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There is no scientific or ethical or civil basis for the position that life begins at conception.
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LIFE
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the condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter, including the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death.
CONCEPTION
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the action of conceiving a child or of a child being conceived.
CONCIEVE
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become pregnant with (a child).
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Actually Jim, it was engineered by McConnell.
I’d also lay the blame on the worst CJ in SCOTUS history, John Roberts.
Under his watch, voter suppression from extreme gerrymandering, unlimited dark $ for candidates, overturning reasonable firearms restrictions, overturning Roe, & no ethics rules for compromised Justices like Clarence Thomas.
But this decision is much worse than Roe. There is no scientific or ethical or civil basis for the position that life begins at conception.
Religion is the only basis & our constitution forbids laws based on religious beliefs.
How’s your hero Trump doing?
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you don’t have to be catholic to believe that Roe was wrongly decided based on what the constitution says.
Trump is my hero? No, but he’s my club with you, a very effective club.
Like most liberals, you’re too crazed with hate ( or perhaps too stupid) to differentiate between being opposed to abortion and being opposed to the way Roe was decided.
It wasn’t an opinion on abortion. It was an opinion on judicial activism.
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You’re wrong
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it's not complicated.....
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every unborn baby aborted ( tens of
millions of them), would
argue that there is a compelling ethical case to be made that they became a person at conception.
here’s the logic. Conception is literally the only moment in our entire path of life when something spectacular happens, when something literally gets created that wasn’t there a minute ago.
Picking any other time
to assign personhood ( 15 weeks for example) is completely arbitrary and totally devoid of any logic. Other than conception, we are never any different at any moment, than we were a minute before. Never.
Make that wrong.
You can’t.
You can’t win this, you aren’t holding any cards. I get the benefit that abortion provides to the moms. But there’s another party involved.
It’s easy to be pro abortion when
you ignore the baby. I’ve seen the ultrasounds, it’s obvious what i’m looking at.
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06-26-2022, 06:50 AM
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Ledge Runner Baits
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: I live in a house, but my soul is at sea.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim in CT
every unborn baby aborted ( tens of
millions of them), would
argue that there is a compelling ethical case to be made that they became a person at conception.
here’s the logic. Conception is literally the only moment in our entire path of life when something spectacular happens, when something literally gets created that wasn’t there a minute ago.
Picking any other time
to assign personhood ( 15 weeks for example) is completely arbitrary and totally devoid of any logic. Other than conception, we are never any different at any moment, than we were a minute before. Never.
Make that wrong.
You can’t.
You can’t win this, you aren’t holding any cards. I get the benefit that abortion provides to the moms. But there’s another party involved.
It’s easy to be pro abortion when
you ignore the baby. I’ve seen the ultrasounds, it’s obvious what i’m looking at.
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You forget that this ruling puts women back in their place, according to the old white male guard and takes their right to control their own lives and body. This supreme court is going to start chipping away at other rights that same court gave people, what does that say about the court, it's now become an arm of one political party and not the majority opinion in this country. Be careful what you wish for, again I think and hope this will come back to bite the right at the mid terms and hopefully in 24; please Trump I want you to run.
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