Staggering COVID-19 Statistic: 98% to 99% of Americans Dying are Unvaccinated

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

I would say the issue is that they need to work on increasing the availability of monoclonal antibodies.

My biggest concern on my buddy’s take is that I don’t want people making a judgement call, at the point of emergency, on whether you deserve to have your life saved because of your vaccine status.

You save their life, period, that’s your job in the ER. After that, then issues can be addressed.

The guy that can’t get the heart transplant because of his refusal to get vaccinated, I feel bad for him and his family, but it’s a stupid stand to take. There are all kinds of medical requirements for organ transplants, if being vaccinated is one of them, so be it.
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absolutely they need to make them
more available.

and i agree with you about the guy who needs the trans a t but won’t get vaccinated. stupid.

thanks.
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[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Bruce, People have completely lost their minds over this. I have a friend who actually thinks it would be acceptable to turn someone away from an emergency room if they’re not vaccinated. My jaw hit the floor on that one.
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Yes Kevin they have. How can someone on the transplant list be taken off when they qualify in every way yet not vaccinated gets them removed? There is no logical explanation to do that to someone.
I lost a lot of respect for a friend who told me something similar to your friend. Something like if you don't get the vaccine and are sick and dying in the hospital maybe your god will save you, basically that vaccinated should be priority above the sub-humans that have a properly working immune system and made the choice that they don't want to be compromised by an experimental unproven(even though the money makers say it is safe)vaccine. You're gonna need an aluminum bowl not tinfoil to avoid the mind games going on with this pandemic.

[Got Stripers]

Rewind, no vaccine anywhere, no lockdown in any country and you have the makings of a great sci-fi movie.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Rewind, no vaccine anywhere, no lockdown in any country and you have the makings of a great sci-fi movie.
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johns hopkins says the lockdowns didn’t do much. but you know better then the scientists at john’s hopkins.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

johns hopkins says the lockdowns didn’t do much. but you know better then the scientists at john’s hopkins.
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1 study ! Was it peer reviewed? and as if on cue the conspiracy hats go on .. Typical nonsense you people are like a drowning victim you latch on to what you think will safe you

It’s sad but comical
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

1 study ! Was it peer reviewed? and as if on cue the conspiracy hats go on .. Typical nonsense you people are like a drowning victim you latch on to what you think will safe you

It’s sad but comical
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one study by john’s hopkins, which all the places you get your news from, won’t touch.z

you make up a quote, put it in quotes, claim it’s from “the base”. and the clown who does that, can pooh pooh a study by john’s hopkins university. more accurately i guess,,work by some folks at the university, not official university policy.

wdmso, if lockdowns worked, then states that kicked down would have the lowest death rates. they don’t.

explain that.

here’s a free hint, you can’t explain it away with fabricating a fake quote.

Florida has the nations second-highest elderly population, and they didn’t lock down as severely as many states. Why isn’t their death toll the highest in the nation by far? it’s a disease that targets the elderly.
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[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

johns hopkins says the lockdowns didn’t do much. but you know better then the scientists at john’s hopkins.
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So... One faculty was from John Hopkins, that doesn't mean 'John Hopkins Says'. Also, note the authors were economists, not public health professionals, epidemiologists, virologists etc... That doesn't invalidate it but I would have liked to see a more diverse background of authors on a meta analysis of this type...

So, then why is this one (flawed) meta analysis is making the rounds today as the proof that lock downs didn't work....

A "Meta Analysis" that used 34 studies (out of the thousands that have been done) examining these approaches to the mandates.

A meta analysis that limited studies so they were only by economists, political scientists AND NOT epidemiologists, virologists and other public health backgrounds.

A meta analysis that lumped 'lock downs' to include almost any mandate (masking, capacity limits, restaurants closing early etc..) and also not 'when' these 'lock downs' were implemented

Now why would these authors of this meta analysis (and yes, I keep restating the type of study for a reason) limit it to those few studies and lump everything together as a 'lock down'...

Perhaps to get the answer the study authors wanted?

And perhaps it is making the rounds this week because of confirmation bias?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Now why would these authors of this meta analysis (and yes, I keep restating the type of study for a reason) limit it to those few studies and lump everything together as a 'lock down'...

probably like calling every death a covid death even if someone died from something else but happened to have covid

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

So... One faculty was from John Hopkins, that doesn't mean 'John Hopkins Says'. Also, note the authors were economists, not public health professionals, epidemiologists, virologists etc... That doesn't invalidate it but I would have liked to see a more diverse background of authors on a meta analysis of this type...

So, then why is this one (flawed) meta analysis is making the rounds today as the proof that lock downs didn't work....

A "Meta Analysis" that used 34 studies (out of the thousands that have been done) examining these approaches to the mandates.

A meta analysis that limited studies so they were only by economists, political scientists AND NOT epidemiologists, virologists and other public health backgrounds.

A meta analysis that lumped 'lock downs' to include almost any mandate (masking, capacity limits, restaurants closing early etc..) and also not 'when' these 'lock downs' were implemented

Now why would these authors of this meta analysis (and yes, I keep restating the type of study for a reason) limit it to those few studies and lump everything together as a 'lock down'...

Perhaps to get the answer the study authors wanted?

And perhaps it is making the rounds this week because of confirmation bias?

all possibilities.

but again, if lockdowns were the answer, i’d think we’d see lower death rates in states with strictest lockdowns. are we seeing that with any consistency?

Everyone ( and i do it to, but not constantly) only pays attention when they see what they want to see.

if we should only be listening to epidemiologists ( which makes sense) please explain why teachers unions are wielding so
much influence in all this?

it’s been a largely political
exercise from day one, that applies to both sides.

if you want to say policy should
be formulated by epidemiologists, fine. But when the left takes its marching orders from teachers unions in terms of school policies, you sort of surrender your ability to make that argument, don’t you? in terms of school policy, we’ve ignored the science in return for appeasing teachers unions, and there’s no way you can make that wrong. The data is clear that schools arent transmission hot spots. i have no idea why that is, but it’s clearly the case. Yet we keep schools closed when teachers unions snap their fingers.


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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

but again, if lockdowns were the answer, i’d think we’d see lower death rates in states with strictest lockdowns. are we seeing that with any consistency?

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I don't think we will ever be able to quantify over time the number of deaths that were a side effect of covid lockdowns from depression, isolation, delayed treatment/procedures, increased poor health habits which we know are/were all rampant... lack of early intervention and treatment also a big contributor

they knew very early on who were the most vulnerable, that is still the case....

it was all very political, still is...

I wonder if the democrats should try to ban "anti-vaxxers" from voting...that might work

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

So... One faculty was from John Hopkins, that doesn't mean 'John Hopkins Says'. Also, note the authors were economists, not public health professionals, epidemiologists, virologists etc... That doesn't invalidate it but I would have liked to see a more diverse background of authors on a meta analysis of this type...

So, then why is this one (flawed) meta analysis is making the rounds today as the proof that lock downs didn't work....

A "Meta Analysis" that used 34 studies (out of the thousands that have been done) examining these approaches to the mandates.

A meta analysis that limited studies so they were only by economists, political scientists AND NOT epidemiologists, virologists and other public health backgrounds.

A meta analysis that lumped 'lock downs' to include almost any mandate (masking, capacity limits, restaurants closing early etc..) and also not 'when' these 'lock downs' were implemented

Now why would these authors of this meta analysis (and yes, I keep restating the type of study for a reason) limit it to those few studies and lump everything together as a 'lock down'...

Perhaps to get the answer the study authors wanted?

And perhaps it is making the rounds this week because of confirmation bias?

Lots of criticisms of the study are out there.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucele...h=2ae66efd1225

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Lots of criticisms of the study are out there.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucele...h=2ae66efd1225

sounds like unbiased commentary...

"Have you seen the so-called “Johns Hopkins study” that’s been making the social media and Bill Maher rounds lately? "

hope Rogan doesn't mention it...

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Lots of criticisms of the study are out there.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucele...h=2ae66efd1225

What to know about Glenn Youngkin’s newest COVID-19 adviser
The governor-elect appointed Dr. Marty Makary, a regular Fox News commentator, to chair his new medical advisory team

kowtowing to the Base Classic

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

So... One faculty was from John Hopkins, that doesn't mean 'John Hopkins Says'. Also, note the authors were economists, not public health professionals, epidemiologists, virologists etc... That doesn't invalidate it but I would have liked to see a more diverse background of authors on a meta analysis of this type...

So, then why is this one (flawed) meta analysis is making the rounds today as the proof that lock downs didn't work....

A "Meta Analysis" that used 34 studies (out of the thousands that have been done) examining these approaches to the mandates.

A meta analysis that limited studies so they were only by economists, political scientists AND NOT epidemiologists, virologists and other public health backgrounds.

A meta analysis that lumped 'lock downs' to include almost any mandate (masking, capacity limits, restaurants closing early etc..) and also not 'when' these 'lock downs' were implemented

Now why would these authors of this meta analysis (and yes, I keep restating the type of study for a reason) limit it to those few studies and lump everything together as a 'lock down'...

Perhaps to get the answer the study authors wanted?

And perhaps it is making the rounds this week because of confirmation bias?

I tried that argument all ready! he saw it on Fox and now he's off to the races ,

[Pete F.]

Vermont did lock down, has an elderly population that’s within one percent of Floriduh’s and has one of the lowest Covid death rates and is recovering very well economically.


More people have died from Covid in Floriduh than any states other than California and Texas

Great Job DeathSantis
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Vermont did lock down, has an elderly population that’s within one percent of Floriduh’s and has one of the lowest Covid death rates and is recovering very well economically.


More people have died from Covid in Floriduh than any states other than California and Texas

Great Job DeathSantis
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i think i NY is a slightly more apples to apples comparison of size and population?

We all know why you picked VT.

VT also has school
choice. You support that?
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i think i NY is a slightly more apples to apples comparison of size and population?

We all know why you picked VT.

VT also has school
choice. You support that?
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Floriduh has been doing worse than NYS for a long time

No
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

More people have died from Covid in Floriduh than any states other than California and Texas

Great Job DeathSantis

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worldometer current

New York is 6th in deaths per million pop.
Florida is 18th

total deaths

California 81.428
Texas 81.028
New York 66,157
Florida 66,007


you are such a dishonest clown...what is your nickname for the death capitol governor of California?

[Pete F.]

Looks like Democrats might be doing something that works

Early in the pandemic, as COVID-19 hit urban centers – which tend to vote Democratic – Biden counties were the ones facing higher death rates. Notably, COVID-19 vaccines became available starting in December 2020, and a crossover in death rates occurred in early 2021, with the gap widening in ensuing months.

A similar but smaller trend exists when examining COVID-19 case data. Counties won by Biden have a rate of 21,657 cases per 100,000 people, compared with a rate of 23,022 cases per 100,000 for Trump counties – about a 6% increase. That gap roughly triples to 18% among counties where the candidate won by a margin of more than 50 percentage points.
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[wdmso]

Eric Trump slams COVID-19 vaccine as ‘stripping freedoms’

[scottw]

WOW...

"She did not die from COVID. We all know that’s not true," the source said.

A CPS parent who asked to remain anonymous for fear of retribution told Chicago City Wire that CTU should be ashamed for misrepresenting the mothers' deaths.

"My God, the burden they placed on those young children who lost their mothers. Telling them basically, you killed your mothers by going to school," the parent said. "Shame on them! This proves they’ll stop at nothing to get what they want."


https://chicagocitywire.com/stories/...rself-to-death

[Pete F.]

Hmmm

September 28, 2021

Chicago’s top doctor asked for patience Tuesday while city officials investigate the death of a Chicago Public Schools mother whose daughter had been exposed to COVID-19 at her elementary school.

Dr. Allison Arwady, commissioner at the Chicago Department of Public Health, said her staff found no breaks in protocols at Jensen Elementary on the West Side, where Shenitha “Angel” Curry’s daughter attends 5th grade.

Curry, who was unvaccinated and had underlying medical conditions, passed away Thursday after a battle with COVID-19, her family said. Curry’s daughter was one of 205 students — more than half the student body at Jensen — directed to quarantine this month because of exposure to eight confirmed virus cases.

Before she died, Curry criticized CPS’ COVID-19 protocols in a Facebook post, and her sister said this week that Curry was sure her illness stemmed from the school.

CPS and the CDPH invited reporters to a media conference Tuesday to discuss the case, at the start of which Arwady said “my main goal here is to make it clear that there are a lot of things about this situation that are still under investigation.

“There are a lot of statements being made that we have not been able to verify at this time,” Arwady said.

“I would ask, please, as members of the media, to not be reporting things that are not proven facts. Because I think we’re seeing a lot of misinformation, frankly.”

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

misinformation

I don't believe anyone who uses the word "misinformation"...

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Hmmm

September 28, 2021

Chicago’s top doctor asked for patience Tuesday while city officials investigate the death of a Chicago Public Schools mother whose daughter had been exposed to COVID-19 at her elementary school.

Dr. Allison Arwady, commissioner at the Chicago Department of Public Health, said her staff found no breaks in protocols at Jensen Elementary on the West Side, where Shenitha “Angel” Curry’s daughter attends 5th grade.

Curry, who was unvaccinated and had underlying medical conditions, passed away Thursday after a battle with COVID-19, her family said. Curry’s daughter was one of 205 students — more than half the student body at Jensen — directed to quarantine this month because of exposure to eight confirmed virus cases.

Before she died, Curry criticized CPS’ COVID-19 protocols in a Facebook post, and her sister said this week that Curry was sure her illness stemmed from the school.

CPS and the CDPH invited reporters to a media conference Tuesday to discuss the case, at the start of which Arwady said “my main goal here is to make it clear that there are a lot of things about this situation that are still under investigation.

“There are a lot of statements being made that we have not been able to verify at this time,” Arwady said.

“I would ask, please, as members of the media, to not be reporting things that are not proven facts. Because I think we’re seeing a lot of misinformation, frankly.”

I couldn't give less of a F*** about this story if I tried.
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