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Old 02-25-2022, 08:29 PM   #1
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Within the first 24 hours of Putin's invasion, Trump was recorded at least three times praising Putin. Twice he called into FoxNews to do it.

Y’all skipped this one
Of course the satirical comment was easier
Nobody’s connecting the dots between Paul Manafort's work in Ukraine, the Trump campaign's change to the GOP platform in 2015, Trump's withholding of support and attempted blackmail of Zelensky, and this invasion.

Not to mention Trump’s planned removal of US troops in
Germany/EU that Biden reversed shortly after taking office.

Trump was setting the stage for this kremlin military action from the day he took office.

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The West better get its chit together and start by making Ukraine a "no fly zone". Tonight. Right now. While its capital is still a capital. NATO could more than control the skies with US Airforce involved as NATO force.

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The West better get its chit together and start by making Ukraine a "no fly zone". Tonight. Right now. While its capital is still a capital. NATO could more than control the skies with US Airforce involved as NATO force.

The moment the West declares a No Fly Zone, WWIII is on like Donkey Kong. Total War. Based on the fact that Vlad is only putting the less capable third of his forces in Ukraine makes me wonder if he is saving it for NATO.

The ONLY things we can do now short of offensive operations against Russian Forces is to provide armaments and intelligence to Ukraine, provide training to UKR personnel outside of Ukraine. Find some extra Fulcrums from former WPact countries, get them more former WPact kit,

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So now Russia is even threatening Finland and Sweden if they join NATO. This may all wake Europe up to the fact it needs to go on offence. Not necessarily military action yet, but a serious build-up of their military and a very serious posture of being absolutely willing to fight. No more appeasement. No more backing down. No more Munich agreements. No more weakness.

Russia and China have been for several years building up a global coalition that seeks to replace the West as the dominant world power, both economically and militarily.

There may no longer be any room for retreat.
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All Ukraine has left is small unit operations . Tank javelin anti tanks small arm ambushes to harass and delay the Russians and attack extended supply lines and inflict Russian casualties

And I expect the Russians will start brutalizing the civilian population in retaliation of partisan attacks on their forces once they install their puppet Government
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Ronald Reagan: "Tear down this wall."

Republicans today: "Tear down our president."
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Putin just claimed Ukraine at the US Military direction is staging their weapons in civilian areas …. All ready spinning the upcoming block by block destruction

Plus he’s de-Nazifying’ Ukraine
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Make not mistake - we are likely as close to all out nuclear war as we have been since Cuba. Putin is a madman.

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Putin just claimed Ukraine at the US Military direction is staging their weapons in civilian areas …. All ready spinning the upcoming block by block destruction

Plus he’s de-Nazifying’ Ukraine

Yep. How much have you been watching what is happening there? Seems to me the best and brightest RUS forces have not been as much in contact as expected. Some of the forces used are the Rosgardia, loosely akin, but not as capable / competent as our National Guard units.

The fact that Ukraine still has active AAD and Air Forces not yet 72 hours in is impressive. Block to block fighting in Kyiv might favor the Ukranians.

Ukraine has held Cherniv, Kharkiv, Sumy, Mariupol, the rough line of Kuhansk Donetsk. Yesterday they staged a deep strike to a couple airfields close to Kyiv, initially held those fields but were beaten back enough that the follow on Ilyushins carrying reinforcements were reportedly turned around.

Also rumors of two RUAF Ilyushins shot down tonight IAO Kyiv carrying landing forces with probably a 150-200 troops each.

They have a lot of issues with RUS forces in outskirts of Kyiv as well as a 100-120K breakout from Crimea. Some RUS SF have reportedly shed their RUS uniforms and donned UA uniforms.

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Some estimates of over 3000 Russian casualties so far.

Fighting in Kyiv relatively close to Maidan:


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Yep. How much have you been watching what is happening there? Seems to me the best and brightest RUS forces have not been as much in contact as expected. Some of the forces used are the Rosgardia, loosely akin, but not as capable / competent as our National Guard units.

The fact that Ukraine still has active AAD and Air Forces not yet 72 hours in is impressive. Block to block fighting in Kyiv might favor the Ukranians.

Ukraine has held Cherniv, Kharkiv, Sumy, Mariupol, the rough line of Kuhansk Donetsk. Yesterday they staged a deep strike to a couple airfields close to Kyiv, initially held those fields but were beaten back enough that the follow on Ilyushins carrying reinforcements were reportedly turned around.

Also rumors of two RUAF Ilyushins shot down tonight IAO Kyiv carrying landing forces with probably a 150-200 troops each.

They have a lot of issues with RUS forces in outskirts of Kyiv as well as a 100-120K breakout from Crimea. Some RUS SF have reportedly shed their RUS uniforms and donned UA uniforms.

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Some estimates of over 3000 Russian casualties so far.

Fighting in Kyiv relatively close to Maidan:

I saw those troop carries being shot down man pads? I didn’t think we gave them any stingers but did just read Poland sent some Grom shoulder-fired heat-seeking surface-to-air missiles, and it look like they are using them on high casualties targets …with success

The Ukraine’s know their land not sure if they ever constructed many obstacles or mined road ways


Sending Conscripting troops with less than a year experience to fight a 3 front war , looks like Russians haven’t learned from WW2 and their send everyone approach
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I saw those troop carries being shot down man pads? I didn’t think we gave them any stingers but did just read Poland sent some Grom shoulder-fired heat-seeking surface-to-air missiles, and it look like they are using them on high casualties targets …with success

The Ukraine’s know their land not sure if they ever constructed many obstacles or mined road ways


Sending Conscripting troops with less than a year experience to fight a 3 front war , looks like Russians haven’t learned from WW2 and their send everyone approach
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We sent planeloads of Stingers and additional planeloads of Javelins. Baltic states and several former WPact, (CZ, PO, RO, BU) sent hundreds of stingers, and late RUS MANPADS.

The RUS gains, other than in the south, are really not inspiring confidence.

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We sent planeloads of Stingers and additional planeloads of Javelins. Baltic states and several former WPact, (CZ, PO, RO, BU) sent hundreds of stingers, and late RUS MANPADS.

The RUS gains, other than in the south, are really not inspiring confidence.
I figure the Javelins but haven't heard of their use. Because I am sure we want to know their effectiveness on New Russian Armor
including AT4s I fired a few hard to hit at distance


I have no expectations of a Ukraine Military victory .. but seems they are winning the public relation war .. Swinging many to support more equipment then a few days ago

Its going to get uglier in the coming days for both sides
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Putin just claimed Ukraine at the US Military direction is staging their weapons in civilian areas …. All ready spinning the upcoming block by block destruction

Plus he’s de-Nazifying’ Ukraine
Seems the Russians have moved into Attacking City Center with Heavy Arms



Russia’s defence ministry is warning residents in Kyiv to leave their homes as it plans to strike targets in the Ukrainian capital, Russian state news agency Tass is reporting.

In a statement issued on Tuesday afternoon, the defence ministry says Russian forces are preparing to launch “high-precision strikes” against the “Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) and the 72nd Center for Information and Psychological Operations (PSO)“ in Kyiv.

We urge Ukrainian citizens involved by Ukrainian nationalists in provocations against Russia, as well as Kiev residents living near relay stations, to leave their homes.
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We'll let Putin come to Europe. The Hague is beautiful in the Spring.
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Biden, as a candidate for potus:

“Putin doesn’t want me to be president. If you’re wondering why, it’s because I’m the only person in this field who’s gone toe-to-toe with him.”

First Biden clobbered an armed drug kingpin named Corn Pop. taking on Putin is nothing compared to that.
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I heard Putin just used the term ‘drug-addicted neo-Nazis’ and I think it’s nice he finally gave the Trump’s a shout-out.
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The truth is Biden has made hard intelligence public, transparently - and it turned out true, it has boxed Putin in, he’s rallied nato and the world community and handled this crisis with a sure even hand.

The truth is the Admin did a good job at warning everyone this was coming, heck a lot of us were warning this was coming.

Te Admin did a bad job at convincing others to prepare. They did a bad job of altering the equation to the point of change in Putin's calculations (might be nothing would have).





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Well, looking at what he did to help Ukraine before Biden it looks like Trump has had a successful impact. In addition known assistance like Javelins, there was USA support including several years of significant training - which we are seeing the results of now. They are holding, taking a beating, but holding.

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Trump withheld aid authorized by Congress for months until he was forced to release it, then when he authorized Javelins he did it with the caveat that they couldn’t be used against the Russian backed separatists.
Luckily for the Ukrainians, Zelensky didn’t listen to Trump who said “ I think he’s going to make a deal with President Putin, and he will be invited to the White House,” Mr. Trump said of the Ukrainian president
“I really hope you and President Putin get together and can solve your problem.”
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Ukraine claims it's killed almost 3,000 Russian soldiers in the first 36 hours of the invasion.

As ever, you have to take these things with a grain of salt, but anything even remotely close to that number would be stunning – the US lost 4,431 in two decades in Iraq
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Ukraine, agrees to meeting

lets see how this Goes

I could see the possibilities Ukraine telling Russia you withDraw your forces we will Agree not to Join NATO but will Join the EU ..

It will be a hard Choice For Them to Make or they decide just to go down Swinging no matter the Cost
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WASHINGTON — There are few things that President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia desires more than the weakening of NATO, the military alliance among the United States, Europe and Canada that has deterred Soviet and Russian aggression for 70 years.

Last year, President Trump suggested a move tantamount to destroying NATO: the withdrawal of the United States.

Senior administration officials told The New York Times that several times over the course of 2018, Mr. Trump privately said he wanted to withdraw from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. Current and former officials who support the alliance said they feared Mr. Trump could return to his threat as allied military spending continued to lag behind the goals the president had set.

In the days around a tumultuous NATO summit meeting last summer, they said, Mr. Trump told his top national security officials that he did not see the point of the military alliance, which he presented as a drain on the United States.
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Last year, President Trump suggested a move tantamount to destroying NATO: the withdrawal of the United States.

Senior administration officials told The New York Times that several times over the course of 2018, Mr. Trump privately said he wanted to withdraw from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization....
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Putin's war effort in Ukraine seems rather Trumpian in its half-assedness.
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Putin nuclear warning 'dangerous'


Lets see if the russian Military are that stupid to open that pandora's Box

even a small Tactical nuke would be disastrous
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Sad, but it’s perfectly ok isn’t it

“I went in yesterday and there was a television screen, and I said, ‘This is genius.’ Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine — of Ukraine — Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful,” Trump told conservative podcaster Buck Sexton.

I said, ‘How smart is that?’ And he’s gonna go in and be a peacekeeper. That’s strongest peace force… We could use that on our southern border. That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re gonna keep peace all right,” Trump continued. “Here’s a guy who’s very savvy… I know him very well. Very, very well.”

Then you have the useful idiot Tucker who suggested that Putin’s invasion is just a border dispute. He’s suggested that Biden is doing this to pay off imagined debts to Ukrainian Oligarchs. Tucker laid out Putin’s plan for costs to impose on Americans, in terms of energy costs. Tucker included every single false claim about Ukraine that Russia has been planting since 2016. Every single one.
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another Tucker 2018 0r 2019 moment I am Sure will He be defended as it was Just Humor or Hyperbole


But How Dare the POTUS claim to want to defeat Cancer !
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“I went in yesterday and there was a television screen, and I said, ‘This is genius.’ Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine — of Ukraine — Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful,” Trump told conservative podcaster Buck Sexton.

I said, ‘How smart is that?’ And he’s gonna go in and be a peacekeeper. That’s strongest peace force… We could use that on our southern border. That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re gonna keep peace all right,” Trump continued. “Here’s a guy who’s very savvy… I know him very well. Very, very well.”
You left out Trump's word "No" between the sentences "They’re gonna keep peace all right,” and “Here’s a guy who’s very savvy… ” He said No after the sarcastically stated "They're gonna keep peace all right" bit. I listened to the whole podcast. In it Trump said the invasion was a disaster. He was being sarcastic about the "Oh, that's wonderful," and the "They're gonna keep peace all right,"--his tone was his usual sarcasm re that and the "he’s gonna go in and be a peacekeeper." He didn't actually mean that the invasion was wonderful or that it was a "peace keeping" invasion--He said "No" to that. He actually said in the podcast that it was a disaster.

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You left out Trump's word "No" between the sentences "They’re gonna keep peace all right,” and “Here’s a guy who’s very savvy… ” He said No after the sarcastically stated "They're gonna keep peace all right" bit. I listened to the whole podcast. In it Trump said the invasion was a disaster. He was being sarcastic about the "Oh, that's wonderful," and the "They're gonna keep peace all right,"--his tone was his usual sarcasm re that and the "he’s gonna go in and be a peacekeeper." He didn't actually mean that the invasion was wonderful or that it was a "peace keeping" invasion--He said "No" to that. He actually said in the podcast that it was a disaster.
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Here are some other things Trump said on the podcast you misrepresented:

RE NATO: "here were eight countries out of 28 that were paid up, including us. We were paid up. We were more than paid up. We were making up the difference. But we have 28 countries, and eight were paid up, and you had 20 countries that were not. And I was asked a question by one of the presidents of one of the countries in a closed meeting, “Does that mean…?” “Do you mean to say that you wouldn’t protect us?” And I said, “You mean you’re not paid up and you want us to protect you?” I said, “That’s right. We will not protect you if you’re not paid up.” You know what happened? The next day, billions of dollars flowed in."

RE PUTIN AND THE INVASION: "This would never have happened if we [Trump administration] were there. But . . . Chuck Todd asked that question. How come there was none of this happening during the Trump administration? . . I think he [Putin] sees this opportunity. I knew that he always wanted Ukraine. I used to talk to him about it. I said, “You can’t do it. You’re not gonna do it.”

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