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09-06-2021, 08:27 PM
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Jim
Florida is third in COVID deaths per 100K
You could ask yourself if the rest of your statements are based on similar disinformation.
But you won’t
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09-06-2021, 08:40 PM
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Jim
Florida is third in COVID deaths per 100K
You could ask yourself if the rest of your statements are based on similar disinformation.
But you won’t
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as of september 6, 2021, florida’s inception to date death rate is 16h, behind NJ, NY, MA, CT, RI. FL is moving up to be sure. but 16th ain’t third. and look at the states in the top 10…
NY has a higher death rate, yet their governor was labeled the “gold standard” by Biden, and hollywood gave him an emmy. and you’d vote for him in a second, if he ran for potus. and you guys were all weak in the knees telling us how awesome he is.
And again, Florida’s kids didn’t miss 18 months of school. They’ll be writing papers about the impact of 18 lost months of schooling in blue states, for 50 years.
By what standard would
anyone give higher marks to NY, NJ, MA, CT, or RI than FL?
We also know that NY was cooking the books, to fool people
like you into wearing “I love Cuomo” t shirts.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...s-us-by-state/
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09-06-2021, 08:43 PM
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Jim
Florida is third in COVID deaths per 100K
You could ask yourself if the rest of your statements are based on similar disinformation.
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please show us data that shows that Florida’s death rate is third in the US.
I provided a link showing that inception to date ( which is what matters), their death rate is 16th. please share your data with us.
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09-06-2021, 08:30 PM
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In 2018, Ron DeSantis won by: 32,000
Currently, Florida's COVID deaths: 46,000
Hmmmm
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09-06-2021, 09:35 PM
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09-07-2021, 05:02 AM
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your data is for the last 7 days. mine was from the beginning. is there some reason why last week matters more than the whole history?
Destroyed.
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09-06-2021, 09:48 PM
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'We are a warning for everyone else': Florida epidemiologists advise other states to learn from DeSantis' COVID bungling
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09-06-2021, 09:53 PM
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Ron DeSantis’s poll numbers are now down 14%.
This is what happens when you govern like an authoritarian.
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09-07-2021, 02:55 AM
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This is what happens when you govern like an authoritarian.
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...so you want him to be less of an authoritarian and impose and mandate things for others that they may not necessarily want to do? |
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09-07-2021, 05:17 AM
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Ron DeSantis’s poll numbers are now down 14%.
This is what happens when you govern like an authoritarian.
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so desantis’ latest poll matters, but biden’s recent polling doesn’t matter? can you explain that?
as i said, FLs numbers are rising, and if they continue to do so, Desantis deserves to be held accountable, and he deserves to be voted out and to never be potus. so that not fair for me to say?
but what matters is his while record, not cherry picking one week, which is what you did.
i think it’s wrong for him to bash masks the way he does. i don’t like everything about him.
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09-07-2021, 08:15 AM
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Just click on all time
TOTAL
CASES PER
100,000 TOTAL
DEATHS PER
100,000 FULLY
VACCINATED
United States 40,081,326 12,080 cases trajectory all time 648,779 196 deaths trajectory all time 53%
North Dakota › 119,724 15,711 cases trajectory all time 1,596 209 deaths trajectory all time 42%
Rhode Island › 163,742 15,457 cases trajectory all time 2,773 262 deaths trajectory all time 65%
Florida › 3,308,916 15,406 cases trajectory all time 46,324 216 deaths trajectory all time 54%
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09-06-2021, 09:57 PM
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You do need to remember that this is a world where 74 million people voted to re-elect Donald J Trump. These are the same people that think DeSantis is a good leader.
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09-07-2021, 08:17 AM
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Almost 25% of daily US COVID deaths are in Florida. This wave is striking because it is pretty hard to go above pre-vaccination waves. It's almost double.
Thankfully has not happened in any other state. In fact, very few countries have had this happen either.
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09-07-2021, 09:02 AM
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Almost 25% of daily US COVID deaths are in Florida. This wave is striking because it is pretty hard to go above pre-vaccination waves. It's almost double.
Thankfully has not happened in any other state. In fact, very few countries have had this happen either.
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i went to your NY times link, looked at deaths all time, FL was 216 per 100k, NY is 278, which is 29% higher. CT is 235 per 100k, MA s 265 per 100k.
According to your link, FL has a better death rate than NY, CT, MA. And florida’s businesses didn’t shut down like we did, Florida’s kids didn’t miss nearly as much school.
That’s called “winning.”
you’re either lying or cherry picking. or maybe too stupid to figure out your own link.
florida’s inception to date death rate, isn’t in the top 10. i know that drives you crazy, but facts don’t care if they make you crazy. they’re still facts.
Desantis is taking big chances in my book. But as of now. he is winning. that may well change, and if it does, i’ll immediately acknowledge he blew it. unlike you, i don’t have a problem criticizing those in my side when they deserve it.
But as of right now, Desantis gets higher marks than Cuomo who was hailed as a hero.
case counts don’t matter. deaths matter. who cares if someone gets covid but has no symptoms?
no sane person would
rather live in a state with lower case coubts, higher death rates, and which is quick to shut down schools
and businesses. not if they could choose a state with higher cases, lower death rates, where businesses are open and kids are learning.
You. Lose.
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09-07-2021, 08:29 AM
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And now, the latest Biden report from the Conventional News Network...
It's been a rough summer for the president folks because...
--Job growth slowing slightly (although yes, Biden has created more jobs in his first six months than any president in history)
--COVID spiking (although yes, the admin performed a miracle getting the vaccine out & the GOP has systematically undermine admin efforts to save lives)
--Afghanistan exit chat (although yes, the president ended a futile 20 year war and the administration managed to evacuate 125,000 people so far in one of the biggest humanitarian airlifts every and ending wars is chaotic by nature)
--Infrastructure plans face opposition (although yes, that's the way Congress works, the infrastructure bill represents a bipartisan breakthrough and much of the opposition is posturing)
--Fires, floods and storms! (although yes, Biden has put together an aggressive plan to combat the climate crisis, undone the huge damage done by his predecessor, gotten the US back into the Paris Accords, and made this a priority in the way no prior president has)
--Biden draws on his own personal experience while expressing compassion (although yes, the previous president was a sociopath and the story that being a genuine human made people uncomfortable was a cynical political spin job by the opposition...like much of the above)
Record economic growth, record job creation, record appointments to the court, the most diverse administration in history, massive effort to undo the damage done by predecessors, ushering in a new future oriented foreign policy and ending the disastrous post 9/11 era...
..restoring compassion, competence, a respect for the rule of law and a commitment to governance...although yes, we get it, he's not perfect, not every goal is achieved, sometime his opponents succeed in blocking him, sometimes mistakes are made...
...but he's actually having a great year. But let's be honest, a slight dip in public opinion polls is inevitable when there's so much misinformation and false bothsidesism in media coverage and what's really important--support for his core policies remains high and bi-partisan.
Oh..and one more thing..the opposition does not offer any kind of credible alternative policies, focus on obstruction, remain loyal to the most corrupt, incompetent, malevolent demagogue in US history, are systematically carving away the rights of American women and voters...
...and are conducting an assault on democracy in the United States that may yet succeed. Biden is hugely successful if imperfect and much remains to be done. His opponents represent a threat to everything we have cherished about America's values and our institutions.
But sure...let's go with that old conventional wisdom, that easy if entirely inaccurate set of takes that are so popular these days. Who cares if it makes terrible outcomes in our country's future more likely? Who cares if it is deeply misleading?
(p.s. This is not directed at any one media organization. There are many great journalists at work at almost all of the ones you'd watch or read. If you don't watch Fox or OANN. But among them, there are others who are helping to create the problem flagged here.)
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09-07-2021, 09:10 AM
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DeSantis is on his way to catching up, with a daily average for the past seven days that is only behind Mississippi and NYS is at the other end of the spectrum, just a little ahead of CT.
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09-07-2021, 09:17 AM
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DeSantis is on his way to catching up, with a daily average for the past seven days that is only behind Mississippi and NYS is at the other end of the spectrum, just a little ahead of CT.
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i am sure you’ll have huge orgasms if Florida catches NY in deaths. i’m
just watching.
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09-07-2021, 02:32 PM
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i am sure you’ll have huge orgasms if Florida catches NY in deaths. i’m
just watching.
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Jim, you’ve been orgasmic for the past week, since the people who feed you misinformation said the withdrawal from Afghanistan should have been somehow improved or better yet not done at all.
You are a sad strange little man, and you have my pity
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09-07-2021, 03:13 PM
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Jim, you’ve been orgasmic for the past week, since the people who feed you misinformation said the withdrawal from Afghanistan should have been somehow improved or better yet not done at all.
You are a sad strange little man, and you have my pity
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if it’s misinformation to conclude that biden bungled this, that means the only informed ones are the liberal fanatics. that’s not the case. only rabid fanatics are saying we should have been able to do better.
When a very, very liberal congressman from massachusetts, who also did 4 tours there with the marines says it was a “fu—ing disaster” and “preventable”, i don’t know on what basis Id doubt him. it doesn’t benefit him politically to say that, so i assume he’s an honorable guy who’s being honest. as opposed to, say, you.
we can’t all be as well informed as the guy who claims that last weeks death rates are more important than inception to date death rates.
I have no doubt i appear strange to you. Intellectual honesty, no doubt, appears bizarre to someone who is incapable of it.
You were banned from starting threads here by the fairest guy in the world, because you were so deranged. But i’m strange. Whatever you say, Columbo.
Who do you get along with here, other than the people
who agree with you on every issue? i’ve disagreed with rock hound, scott, detbuch, dangles, tdf, and john. the disagreements have always been respectful.
When was the last time you had a healthy, respectful disagreement with someone here?
I’m not sure i agree with rock hound in a single solitary issue. maybe other then gay marriage. but i think he’s sharp and honest and serious and beneficial to go back and forth with. which conservatives here can you say that about?
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09-07-2021, 03:39 PM
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Jim, you’ve been orgasmic for the past week, since the people who feed you misinformation said the withdrawal from Afghanistan should have been somehow improved or better yet not done at all.
You are a sad strange little man, and you have my pity
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not done at all? can you please tell us which prominent conservative voices, are saying we shouldn’t have withdrawn from afghanistan? i don’t know that i’ve heard a single influential person say that, and I mean that.
Who are you referring to? Or are you hearing voices?
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09-07-2021, 07:21 PM
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not done at all? can you please tell us which prominent conservative voices, are saying we shouldn’t have withdrawn from afghanistan? i don’t know that i’ve heard a single influential person say that, and I mean that.
Who are you referring to? Or are you hearing voices?
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Since I have seen nobody including you the greatest military mind of your generation explain in detail the alternative to GTFO, but propose to gain control of a sovereign country thru military force and you would do this with some magical force other than troops on the ground, yes you’re full of #^&#^&#^&#^&
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09-07-2021, 11:00 AM
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Anti-Taliban Resistance Declares It Will Fight On in Panjshir
Republicans including Rep, Mike Waltz, R-Fla., have urged Biden to help the resistance in its cause.
will republicans ever learn ?
the GOP are falling over these Guys wanting to send weapons and support as if the last 20yrs never happened ... where were they when the taliban took over? defending their own personal little slice of Afghanistan..
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09-07-2021, 08:22 PM
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Unfortunately your scenario doesn’t eliminate the interface between the group trying to leave and the people helping them to.
I don’t need to find the people who said we shouldn’t leave now for you, look in the mirror
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09-07-2021, 08:30 PM
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I don’t need to find the people who said we shouldn’t leave now for you, look in the mirror
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so you made it up.
i said very specifically i agreed with getting out.
you’re a liar. caught.
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09-07-2021, 08:48 PM
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so you made it up.
i said very specifically i agreed with getting out.
you’re a liar. caught.
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Sorry little man, while you claim that, your solution inevitably leads to more boots on the ground.
Twenty years is enough
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09-07-2021, 09:10 PM
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Sorry little man, while you claim that, your solution inevitably leads to more boots on the ground.
Twenty years is enough
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we can’t all be as impressive as a keyboard tough guy who wilts when asked a brutal question such as “ who said what you claim republicans are saying?”
i mean, who can measure up to that?
You asked who provided alternatives, i listed a link. I supported my claim.
i asked who said we should still be in afghanistan, and you say “i’m not looking it up for you.”. you can’t support your claim, but you tru and make that my flaw, not yours.
every one has an issue with you, but that’s all our fault, not yours. it’s all everyone else’s character flaws, nothing to do with you.
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09-07-2021, 09:42 PM
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Nobody said we shouldn’t withdraw now?
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09-08-2021, 04:03 AM
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Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) says he believes the United States “will be going back into Afghanistan” despite the recently declared end of nearly two decades of American military presence in the country.
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09-08-2021, 09:18 AM
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Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) says he believes the United States “will be going back into Afghanistan” despite the recently declared end of nearly two decades of American military presence in the country.
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I’ll try to go slow so even you can understand…
predicting that we will go back, isn’t the same as saying we shouldn’t have withdrawn. Those are two different things.
I think we should have pulled out a long time ago. I also think there’s a meaningful chance we have to go back some day ( if jihadists become a threat).
Stick to insulting the children of the members here, you’re better at that.
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09-08-2021, 09:22 AM
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Pete i looked up Graham’s comments on the withdrawal. i didn’t see anything to indicate he thinks we should stay forever. he just thinks we should
have had a better plan to withdraw. that’s what almost everyone is saying. The withdrawal was the right idea, but it was poorly executed.
You suggested that a meaningful republican force wishes we stayed. i honestly don’t know a single person who has ever said that, for sure that’s not what any meaningful
number of conservatives are saying.
You claimed we were saying that. You lied.
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