FBI…

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

It’s a con.

Twice impeached angry old Floridian bombarded his supporters with more than 100 emails asking for money based on the FBI’s search of his Florida Mar-a-Lago Club for classified materials last week.

They paid off.
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If there were legit reasons for the raid, and if it leads to a criminal prosecution (I don't think the left ever stops until they get exactly that, and there's probably grounds for one if they never stop digging), it's a win for them in terms of killing off Trump. If it can reasonably be construed to be politically motivated (and let's be honest, the left has done that with the DOJ a few times since 2009), it's a huge win for the GOP, and a stupid move by democrats.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

If there were legit reasons for the raid, and if it leads to a criminal prosecution (I don't think the left ever stops until they get exactly that, and there's probably grounds for one if they never stop digging), it's a win for them in terms of killing off Trump. If it can reasonably be construed to be politically motivated (and let's be honest, the left has done that with the DOJ a few times since 2009), it's a huge win for the GOP, and a stupid move by democrats.

You consider it a stupid move to keep a lawless power hungry autocratic want-to-be dictator out of the White House. I applaud Liz Chaney for having the backbone lacking from the current GOP leadership in condemning Trumps attempts to hold on to power by illegal means. I hope she succeeds in her statement saying she will do everything in her power to keep Trump from ever getting back in the White House, I wouldn’t count her out if she decides to run. I doubt she would pull enough votes from Trumps crazy base, but the debates alone will be worth the price of admission.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

You consider it a stupid move to keep a lawless power hungry autocratic want-to-be dictator out of the White House. I applaud Liz Chaney for having the backbone lacking from the current GOP leadership in condemning Trumps attempts to hold on to power by illegal means. I hope she succeeds in her statement saying she will do everything in her power to keep Trump from ever getting back in the White House, I wouldn’t count her out if she decides to run. I doubt she would pull enough votes from Trumps crazy base, but the debates alone will be worth the price of admission.

You guys are amazing...

Do you know how to read? Read my post. I said it was a win for the left it was legit, and a stupid move "IF it was politically motivated".

Can you not grasp what I'm saying there? Is that going too fast for you?

If any Republican said "one plus one equals two", I think some of you would reflexively say he was wrong.

Put down the Kool Aid, take a few breaths, and THINK.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

You guys are amazing...

Do you know how to read? .

reading, writing and arithmetic are clearly a struggle for these geniuses...but we can trust their opinions on important and often complex matters

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

If any Republican said "one plus one equals two", I think some of you would reflexively say he was wrong.

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that's a fact....Jack!

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

You guys are amazing...

Do you know how to read? Read my post. I said it was a win for the left it was legit, and a stupid move "IF it was politically motivated".

Can you not grasp what I'm saying there? Is that going too fast for you?

If any Republican said "one plus one equals two", I think some of you would reflexively say he was wrong.

Put down the Kool Aid, take a few breaths, and THINK.

do you ever read your own posts its like you wear flip flops when you type you make one statement then cancel it in your next

I don't think the left ever stops until they get exactly that, and there's probably grounds for one if they never stop digging.. then you move on to another republican talking point " and let's be honest, the left has done that with the DOJ a few times since 2009)" yep that's a honest statement LOL


the left or the DOJ hasn't had to dig once!

trumps dug his own Holes and the democrats are looking in all of them ...

it's only the cult and closet supporters who think. he's the victim

[scottw]

not only that....how is it that they are worried that trump can somehow get elected again...maybe they know they are full of.....you know...

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

not only that....how is it that they are worried that trump can somehow get elected again...maybe they know they are full of.....you know...

as of right now, i do believe there’s a chance he could. if he wants to run, i don’t think anyone would beat him in the primary, do you?

and while i don’t think he could
win a general
election again, you never know. i didn’t think he had a prayer in 2016, i was certain the stock market would be far lower then it is right now, so i often feel like i don’t know anything anymore.
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[Pete F.]

Look at the candidates Trump and the Trumplican party have supported for Secretary of State in states.
All election deniers.
States that have given their legislatures the ability to disregard the popular vote.
You think our experiment will survive a organized attack?
It’s dependent on honorable people playing by the rules.
Once that’s gone it’s over.
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[wdmso]

Trump Organization: Allen Weisselberg pleads guilty to tax crimes

these are the people the IRS will be going after unless you listen to republicans

[wdmso]

seems Trump is more interested in looking like he wants the affidavit released — or more aptly, in making the Justice Department, which regularly opposes releasing documents in ongoing investigations, look like it’s hiding something.

Yet. Trump: Release the full affidavit! Trump’s lawyers in court: Meh.

Classic Trump
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[Pete F.]

Why would anyone be surprised that after Trump screaming for transparency, Trump‘s lawyers were silent in court. DOJ wants to keep it sealed for its own investigation, but the information —however redacted—would be damning for Trump. It will chronicle criminal activity and intransigence.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Just raided mar-largo.

Isn’t this thread about the FBI and Trump?
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Veterans are not a marginalized group
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Veterans are not a marginalized group
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You may believe that. But seems others do not. And no I didn’t make it up


Like many other marginalized groups, veterans have certain rules that arise from military culture for how they share private information about their experiences,” says Douglas Wilbur, a retired major

FYI

marginalized populations include, but are not limited to, groups excluded due to race, gender identity, sexual orientation, age, physical ability, language, and/or immigration status.

Note not limited to.. so it’s possible to have a gay male white veteran in a wheelchair. Keep his Job before the black teachers everyone’s afraid is taking a white person job . As the contract is written.. it refers to

under-represented is the actual term in the contract.

It’s meaning isn’t as detailed as marginalized but it’s in the ballpark


It is easy to see this as an attack on white teachers if that’s what you want it to be
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[Pete F.]

It’s time for: a caravan, but Hillary, but Hunter or the FBI since Federal appeals court ruled that the DOJ must make public an internal legal memo commissioned by then-Attorney General William Barr in 2019 to analyze whether he should charge then-President Donald Trump with obstruction related to the Russia investigation.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

It’s time for: a caravan, but Hillary, but Hunter or the FBI since Federal appeals court ruled that the DOJ must make public an internal legal memo commissioned by then-Attorney General William Barr in 2019 to analyze whether he should charge then-President Donald Trump with obstruction related to the Russia investigation.
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how do you obstruct a hoax?

[The Dad Fisherman]

Should they layoff black teachers in a predominantly white community, to make sure the makeup of the faculty is representative of the student body. How do you think that would play out in the news.

I’m not reacting to this as an attack on white teachers, I’m saying we shouldn’t be making decisions based upon racial criteria. Or sexual preference criteria for that matter. It’s a terrible precedent to set.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Should they layoff black teachers in a predominantly white community, to make sure the makeup of the faculty is representative of the student body. How do you think that would play out in the news.

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You think that situation exists in this country?

What would be your reaction if most of your children’s teachers were not white?

The opposite of your example exists in almost every community of color.

White Americans are afraid of diversity and truth because they feel threatened by both.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

You think that situation exists in this country?

What would be your reaction if most of your children’s teachers were not white?

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Don’t really care if it does or doesn’t exist, it is a terrible precedent to set.

Don’t really care what color my kids teachers were either, as long as they’re doing a good job at teaching, I’m cool.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

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Don’t really care what color my kids teachers were either, as long as they’re doing a good job at teaching, I’m cool.

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same here....

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

White Americans are afraid of diversity and truth because they feel threatened by both.

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this is ignorant....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

White Americans are afraid of diversity and truth because they feel threatened by both.
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thinking something is stupid, and being afraid of it, arent the same thing

yes, we need you to remind us of what he truth is pete.

meanwhile wdmso says it has nothing to do with race. is that truthful?
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

hi king something is stupid, and being afraid of not, arent the same thing

yes, we need you to remind us of what he truth is pete.

meanwhile wdmso says it has nothing to do with race. is that truthful?
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Gibberish from an imbecile
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Should they layoff black teachers in a predominantly white community, to make sure the makeup of the faculty is representative of the student body. How do you think that would play out in the news.

I’m not reacting to this as an attack on white teachers, I’m saying we shouldn’t be making decisions based upon racial criteria. Or sexual preference criteria for that matter. It’s a terrible precedent to set.
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if you disagree with this ^, you’re an extremist.

we don’t choose our skin color, therefore it says absolutely nothing about us. so why would
we reward/punish people
based on it?

it’s as logical as hiring teachers based on height. It’s exactly that stupid.
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[Pete F.]

1: The FBI planted evidence, but also there was a “standing order” declassifying everything.

2: Biden personally approved the search, but also he *should’ve* personally approved it.

3: It was an unconstitutional “general” warrant but also the FBI deviated from its narrow scope.

4. “Your Honor: the FBI planted evidence at my hotel-residence during a search you authorized. (Just trust me on that). I’d like a Special Master appointed as they planted privileged communications between me and my #^&#^&#^&#^&ty lawyers who didn’t think to make this motion for two weeks.”
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[Pete F.]

It’s always easy to be cool about something that’s not possible today.

The founding fathers would be like what do you mean there are catholics on the Supreme Court.
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[Pete F.]

Back to the FBI and the recovered stolen documents.

Here's the big question: who told Donald Trump what to steal, because you know the illiterate #^&#^&#^&#^& would have had no clue on his own and then, what was he going to do with them?
It’s always the money…..
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Back to the FBI and the recovered stolen documents.

Here's the big question: who told Donald Trump what to steal, because you know the illiterate #^&#^&#^&#^& would have had no clue on his own and then, what was he going to do with them?
It’s always the money…..
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how did he steal them?...did he sneak them out of the national archives or wherever nuclear secrets are held in his pants like Sandy Berger?....don't all of these sensitive documents have chain of custody and controls....nobody was missing them for 18 months?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

how did he steal them?...did he sneak them out of the national archives or wherever nuclear secrets are held in his pants like Sandy Berger?....don't all of these sensitive documents have chain of custody and controls....nobody was missing them for 18 months?

Here's a timeline of the key moments from the investigation.

At the end of the Trump admin, WH counsel’s office identified roughly 2 dozen boxes containing material that had been taken to the residence over many months, that needed to be sent to the National Archives. Months later, NARA was still trying to get them.

May 2021

An official from NARA contacts Trump's team after realizing that several important documents weren't handed over before Trump left the White House. In hopes of locating the missing items, NARA lawyer Gary Stern reaches out to someone who served in the White House counsel's office under Trump, who was the point of contact for record-keeping matters. The missing documents include some of Trump's correspondence with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, as well as the map of Hurricane Dorian that Trump infamously altered with a sharpie pen.

Fall 2021

NARA grows frustrated with the slow pace of document turnover after several months of conversations with the Trump team. Stern reaches out to another Trump attorney to intervene. The archivist asks about several boxes of records that were apparently taken to Mar-a-Lago during Trump's relocation to Florida. NARA still doesn't receive the White House documents they are searching for.

January 2022

After months of discussions with Trump's team, NARA retrieves 15 boxes of Trump White House records from Mar-a-Lago. NARA says in a statement that some of the records it received at the end of Trump's administration were "torn up by former President Trump," and that White House officials had to tape them back together. Not all the torn-up documents were reconstructed, NARA says. The boxes contained some materials that were part of "special access programs," known as SAP, which is a classification that includes protocols to significantly limit who would have access to the information.

Feb. 9, 2022

News outlets report that NARA asked the Justice Department to investigate Trump's handling of White House records and whether he violated the Presidential Records Act and other laws related to classified information. The Presidential Records Act requires all records created by a sitting president to be turned over to the National Archives at the end of their administration.

Feb. 18, 2022

NARA informs the Justice Department that some of the documents retrieved from Mar-a-Lago included classified material. NARA also tells the department that, despite being warned it was illegal, Trump tore up documents while he was president, and that senior officials in the Trump administration did not properly preserve their social media messages, draft tweets and deleted tweets.

April and May 2022

On April 7, NARA publicly acknowledges for the first time that the Justice Department is involved, and news outlets report that prosecutors have launched a criminal probe into Trump's mishandling of classified documents. Around this time, FBI agents quietly interview Trump aides at Mar-a-Lago about the handling of presidential records as part of their widening investigation.

May 12, 2022

News outlets report that investigators subpoenaed NARA for access to the classified documents retrieved from Mar-a-Lago. The subpoena, which is part of the process to allow investigators to take possession of the documents from the NARA, is the first public indication of the Justice Department using a grand jury in its investigation.

June 3, 2022

Four investigators, including a top Justice Department counterintelligence official, visit Mar-a-Lago seeking more information about classified material that had been taken to Florida. The four investigators meet with Trump's attorneys and look around the basement room where the documents are being stored. Trump briefly stops by the meeting to say hello to the officials, but he does not answer any questions. During the meeting, the federal officials serve a grand jury subpoena for some of the sensitive national security documents on the premises, and they take away the subpoenaed documents.

June 8, 2022

Trump's attorneys receive a letter from federal investigators, asking them to further secure the room where documents are being stored. In response, Trump aides add a padlock to the room in the basement of Mar-a-Lago.

Aug. 8, 2022

The FBI executes a search warrant at Mar-a-Lago — a major escalation of the classified documents investigation. The search focused on the area of the club where Trump's offices and personal quarters are located. Federal agents remove boxes of material from the property. The search was the first time in American history that a former president's home was searched as part of a criminal investigation.

Aug. 11, 2022

After three days of silence, Attorney General Merrick Garland makes a brief public statement about the investigation. He reveals that he personally approved the decision to seek a search warrant, and pushes back against what he called "unfounded attacks on the professionalism of the FBI and Justice Department." Garland also announces that the Justice Department will ask a judge to unseal some of the search warrant documents, for the sake of transparency. Trump says in a late-night post on his Truth Social platform that he will "not oppose the release of documents" related to the search.
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