News reporting 2 explosions at Boston Marathon

[afterhours]

we often see the best in people during the worst of times... T's & P's to everyone affected.

[Blitzseeker]

I work about 200 yards from where the bombs went off. Building shook when the bombs went off, and I got to the window and saw the smoke rising. Have been through that section of Boylston for many years of marathons, but luckily not this year. Sadly, I remember thinking a year or two back that if I was a bad guy it would be a perfect place to take out a lot of people easily. Looks like the bad guys thought the same thing.

I know gun control is top of mind right now, but as someone said earlier in this thread....there is a little kid dead. Eight year old boy, same age as my youngest son. Other kids' parents are dead. There are a bunch of people missing arms and legs. Save the gun control debate for another time. To me it's just a matter of respect for people who have died or have had thier lives changed forever.

Peace.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by afterhours

we often see the best in people during the worst of times... T's & P's to everyone affected.

Agreed. Too bad that empathy, which we display so selflessly at the worst of times, doesn't seem to last.

Hopefully the feds will do a better job catching these terrorists than they did in Benghazi.

[likwid]

Just announced, $50,000 reward for info leading to the capture of whoever did this.

[Mike P]

I'm trying to imagine how much, and what kind, of explosive propellant would be required to get ball bearings (or small lead shot, or whatever), moving at sufficient velocity to take off limbs, bone and all. The femur is one of the biggest, and strongest, bones in a human body. I've seen the results of a 12 gauge blast taking off a hand, but a femur?

It had to be one powerful device, I would think. I'm kind of doubting that it was the handiwork of a rank amateur.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Mike P

I'm trying to imagine how much, and what kind, of explosive propellant would be required to get ball bearings (or small lead shot, or whatever), moving at sufficient velocity to take off limbs, bone and all. The femur is one of the biggest, and strongest, bones in a human body. I've seen the results of a 12 gauge blast taking off a hand, but a femur?

It had to be one powerful device, I would think. I'm kind of doubting that it was the handiwork of a rank amateur.

I was watching one of the talking heads last night stating this was a "low power" explosive device which would propel a ball bearinbg at 7,000 feet per second, as opposed to a high powered explosive propelling an object at 25K feet per second. The head then stated a rifle shot is on the order of 1200-1300 feet per second (familiar with this).

This stuff is well out of my wheel house and I have no idea how accurate the talking head was but it lines up a bit with what is being discussed. So take it for what it is worth and what you paid for it

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Mike P

I'm trying to imagine how much, and what kind, of explosive propellant would be required to get ball bearings (or small lead shot, or whatever), moving at sufficient velocity to take off limbs, bone and all. The femur is one of the biggest, and strongest, bones in a human body. I've seen the results of a 12 gauge blast taking off a hand, but a femur?

It had to be one powerful device, I would think. I'm kind of doubting that it was the handiwork of a rank amateur.

black powder is sufficiently powerful enough and either cheap or easy to make. from what i've been told, this is amateur woodsman homegrown stuff. the other side likes the high speed binaries that cause massive internal trauma without the need for shrapnel.

[Swimmer]

It doesn't have to be C 4 to cause all that damage. When the bomb goes off inside of the pressure cooker it builds force prior to causing the cooker to expand and as we all know, blowup. How large the amount of propellant used, the greater the demand for oxygen, more oxygen needed, greater area of destruction. I think we'll find thats where the blast force/propellant enters into it. Low speed bombs, 3300 ft. per second or less, can be extremely damaging. There were nails, BB's, bearings and what not inside of these packages. See the damage to the bodies that were done, and you'll know longer wonder why so many limbs were lost in the civil war from ball bearing being fired from muskets at low speed.


I have deep admiration for those peole who ran into the fire, so to speak, and did not shrink when it was time. There were a huge number of very courageous individuals that acted without concern for themselves after the bombing. Police and firefighters, and EMS are paid to act, but the civilians to do what they did without thought of injury to themselves is an extremely selfless act.

When the POS is caught, he'll be charged federally, so a more appropriate justice will be handed down.

[FishermanTim]

I agree as well, and when the person/persons are caught, and are found guilty in accordance of the law, they are show the same measure of compassion and mercy they showed (to the innocent victims) when they get the death sentence. I say this crime is definitely worthy of the chair, or getting strung up as it were.

I need to go fishing to get this out of my head, at least for a few hours.....

[WESTPORTMAFIA]

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I need to go fishing to get this out of my head, at least for a few hours.....[/QUOTE]

How about this whole thread gets permanently deleted. We are all seeing it at work, on the radio, and on the news when we get home. It's depressing. We all know it happened. I say when we come here to talk about fishing, we talk about fishing and other things related to the site.??
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[bostonharbor]

I agree W.M. Let's stick to fishing.My brother was working the medical tent at the finish line and I was worked up.Finest kind.Good Night.
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[Mike P]

Originally Posted by WESTPORTMAFIA

How about this whole thread gets permanently deleted. We are all seeing it at work, on the radio, and on the news when we get home. It's depressing. We all know it happened. I say when we come here to talk about fishing, we talk about fishing and other things related to the site.??
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Originally Posted by bostonharbor

I agree W.M. Let's stick to fishing.My brother was working the medical tent at the finish line and I was worked up.Finest kind.Good Night.
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I respectfully disagree. This is more than a fishing site. It's an internet community and in many respects, a family. Families talk stuff out during a time of crisis.

If you're suffering from media overload, you don't have to click on the thread.

[WESTPORTMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Mike P

I respectfully disagree. This is more than a fishing site. It's an internet community and in many respects, a family. Families talk stuff out during a time of crisis.

If you're suffering from media overload, you don't have to click on the thread.

Your right. At least it was moved from the fishing forum

[stripermaineiac]

Anyone who attacks inocence like that should be put infront of a firing squad.Only scumbags do things like that.they want to pick a fight pick one with the people that can fight back.Dirtbags an cowards are one an the same.

[FishermanTim]

2X that Westport.



I'm planning on hitting a small stocked trout pond after work, with hopes of landing one of the 3-5 lbers that may be still there after Sundays's derby.

I was there when the private fishery truck showed up to dump the 100+ trout in on Saturday. There were about a dozen large trout amongst the remaining cookie-cutter fish.

I'll see how things go tonight.

And then there's this weekend with the possibility of either kayaking or surfcasting.

[Bronko]

Sounds like an arrest has been made/ or imminent.

[PaulS]

Yup, reportedly an arrest has just been made.

Give him a speedy trial with good representation and then execute him.

[JackK]

Now they are saying no arrest, or POI in custody. Information moves so fast it's hard to keep it all straight.

[The Dad Fisherman]

It's pretty wild how they supposedly id'd this guy. Had a shot of him on a surveillance tape and it showed him on a cell phone. They went and pulled all the logs of calls made during that time frame which originated in that area. Then they cross referenced the names with pictures of the people who owned the phones and matched it up to the surveillance pics.
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[Finaddict]

Crazy about the reporting as I also read a few different pieces in the last few minutes that contradicted themselves ... that have been updated within the last few minutes.

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

It's pretty wild how they supposedly id'd this guy. Had a shot of him on a surveillance tape and it showed him on a cell phone. They went and pulled all the logs of calls made during that time frame which originated in that area. Then they cross referenced the names with pictures of the people who owned the phones and matched it up to the surveillance pics.
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while that is totally awesome.. our media in its carnivorous and somewhat cannibalistic craze to get stories often forgets that they are helping the next ass hole get away with something like this. 'ok.. i wont use my cell phone' or... i better use a track phone with no name associated with it.. Some things are better off left unsaid.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Nebe

while that is totally awesome.. our media in its carnivorous and somewhat cannibalistic craze to get stories often forgets that they are helping the next ass hole get away with something like this. 'ok.. i wont use my cell phone' or... i better use a track phone with no name associated with it.. Some things are better off left unsaid.

Yep. One of the costs of a free society, an often dumb press.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Some things are better off left unsaid.

I agree. I trust our govern. I don't need to know that they got him b/c of his cell phone or the cameras.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Nebe

while that is totally awesome.. our media in its carnivorous and somewhat cannibalistic craze to get stories often forgets that they are helping the next ass hole get away with something like this. 'ok.. i wont use my cell phone' or... i better use a track phone with no name associated with it.. Some things are better off left unsaid.

I used to say the same thing about shows like 24....season after season of ideas.....

[Slipknot]

me too TDF, but this is real life media, seems like they barely have a filter.


My theory so far is they have one guy in custody and are waiting for Jack Bauer to come in and get the info out of him to nail the other one

[The Dad Fisherman]

They just evacuated the federal courthouse.....

They also just drove up to the courthouse in a gray van with Federal Marshall's hanging off the outside of the van.

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[Swimmer]

Just put his pic out there. He'll be caught shortly thereafter, and maybe thier might be something left for the ME and not the ER.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Gotta love the wild goose chase the media puts you through......I've been watching them change there story over and over and over again....
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[Slick Moedee]

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[FishermanTim]

Originally Posted by Slick Moedee

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I don't want to play the blame game or the "what if" game, but if these terrorists had access, or had friends working with them, surely they would have been able to figure out well before the FBI news conference that they were on a short list of suspects. They would have had time to formulate some exit-strategy for when they would be approached by the authroites.

All the instant media sites, all the interactive social media sites and all the news media clammering to be the first to "break the case" should shoulder some of the responsibility for broadcasting information that may possibly cost more people's lives.

Sure, we all want to know the facts, wea ll want to know NOW, before anyone else, but at what opossible cost?

Now we have news stations and papers tripping all over themselves, reporting bogus information, asking the same questions over and over and over again all in the hopes of getting "the scoop".

I found myself turning off the tv, the radio, and tossing the newspaper.

That's just how I feel with the amount of scavenging going on with the news media. I only wish they were as "dedicated" and "committed" to reporting good news, but we all know that won't bring in the ratings as a good disaster will.