Trump Campaign renamed "Death Star"

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Good argument oh but wait other countries flattened the curve and KEPT it there, there goes the rationale out the window.
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The science she quoted was not based on the curve notion. Heck, Sweden never even locked down. She cited a JAMA article as evidence that science was on the side of opening the schools.

And, what I'm pointing out here is not whether it is right or wrong to open the schools, but that it is wrong, deceitful, a sort of lie, fake news, to select one line out of a full statement in order to distort the content into meaning the opposite of what it says.

And that is a recurring trick that anti-trumpers use over and over to make Trump out to be something he isn't.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

The science she quoted was not based on the curve notion. Heck, Sweden never even locked down. She cited a JAMA article as evidence that science was on the side of opening the schools.

And, what I'm pointing out here is not whether it is right or wrong to open the schools, but that it is wrong, deceitful, a sort of lie, fake news, to select one line out of a full statement in order to distort the content into meaning the opposite of what it says.

And that is a recurring trick that anti-trumpers use over and over to make Trump out to be something he isn't.

1. Sweden's prime minister orders an inquiry into the failure of the country's no-lockdown coronavirus strategy
2. McEnany has lied too many times already, but people have taken that statement out of context. Tweety on the other hand, makes so many incoherent, incomplete and disconnected statements that it’s almost impossible to determine what he is saying or if it is anything at all. Read any transcript of his off the cuff speeches. No trick to it.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

1. Sweden's prime minister orders an inquiry into the failure of the country's no-lockdown coronavirus strategy

Sweden flattened the curve. Germany has lifted its travel restriction on Sweden. 90% of coronavirus deaths in Sweden were those over 70 years old, and mostly in elderly care centers.

2. McEnany has lied too many times already,

That's nonsense.

but people have taken that statement out of context.

Perhaps you didn't read what I said. The entire context, the entirety of what McEnany said showed that the statement meant entirely the opposite than what it appeared to mean when selected out of the entire of what she said.

Tweety on the other hand, makes so many incoherent, incomplete and disconnected statements that it’s almost impossible to determine what he is saying or if it is anything at all. Read any transcript of his off the cuff speeches.

That is switching the subject. The subject is what McEnany said.

No trick to it.
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It was absolutely a "trick." The quote was selected out of the entire context in order to make it look like she was saying something opposite of what she actually said. It was a dirty trick.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

It was absolutely a "trick." The quote was selected out of the entire context in order to make it look like she was saying something opposite of what she actually said. It was a dirty trick.

Poor boy
Better look at Tweety and McEnanys Biden “quotes”
And I didn’t switch the subject, I replied to this statement of yours “ And that is a recurring trick that anti-trumpers use over and over to make Trump out to be something he isn't.”

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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

2. McEnany has lied too many times already, but people have taken that statement out of context. Tweety on the other hand, makes so many incoherent, incomplete and disconnected statements that it’s almost impossible to determine what he is saying or if it is anything at all. Read any transcript of his off the cuff speeches. No trick to it.
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Remember the first time she spoke and she promised not to lie. What a joke. It's funny watching the Trump people make fun of Biden yet trump makes more incoherent statements than anyone and we're constantly told you have to understand what he means not what he says.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by detbuch

And, what I'm pointing out here is not whether it is right or wrong to open the schools, but that it is wrong, deceitful, a sort of lie, fake news, to select one line out of a full statement in order to distort the content into meaning the opposite of what it says.

Hilarious trying to watch you constantly trying to defend Trump and your constant insults. Almost as hilarious as a non fisherman spending time on a fishing website debating politics.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Hilarious trying to watch you constantly trying to defend Trump and your constant insults. Almost as hilarious as a non fisherman spending time on a fishing website debating politics.
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Your quoting McEnany selectively was a dirty trick unbecoming of the usually moral and better person that you are. I was defending her, not Trump.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Your quoting McEnany selectively was a dirty trick unbecoming of the usually moral and better person that you are. I was defending her, not Trump.

See you can't help yourself
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Almost as hilarious as a non fisherman spending time on a fishing website debating politics.

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be thankful someone is willing to converse with you....

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by scottw

be thankful someone is willing to converse with you....

Think of it this way - when I spend 5 days in Newport recently I didn't text you
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[spence]

She makes no sense because her job is to spin the absurd. If it’s perfectly safe then there’s no need for science to get in the way. There is no science that says it’s perfectly safe, that’s why states are frantically trying to come up with a plan.

This is the biggest cluster#^&#^&#^&#^& since the bungling of the Iraq war.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

spin the absurd.


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hahaha....your forte

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

She makes no sense because her job is to spin the absurd. If it’s perfectly safe then there’s no need for science to get in the way. There is no science that says it’s perfectly safe, that’s why states are frantically trying to come up with a plan.

This is the biggest cluster#^&#^&#^&#^& since the bungling of the Iraq war.
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Your opposing opinion is to be expected. As is you're opinionated exaggeration. It is not your opinion that I argue against. It is the motive behind most who spout such extreme absurdities. Get rid of Trump at all costs, lies, tricks, nonsense . . .

Getting rid of Trump at this point means defeating him in the election. Which would bring the Progressives to power. Which would, pardon my extremism, be the biggest Flustercluck since slavery.

[Got Stripers]

I find it amusing people attempt to debate politics with the blue man, he is locked in and can’t view any other position as correct. He probably searched long and wide for an obscure political message board where he could pontificate with impunity, otherwise how does a Midwest non fisherman end up of a New England striped bass website with so few members and activity.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

I find it amusing people attempt to debate politics with the blue man, he is locked in and can’t view any other position as correct. He probably searched long and wide for an obscure political message board where he could pontificate with impunity, otherwise how does a Midwest non fisherman end up of a New England striped bass website with so few members and activity.

ahhh....the cancel culture

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

I find it amusing people attempt to debate politics with the blue man, he is locked in and can’t view any other position as correct. He probably searched long and wide for an obscure political message board where he could pontificate with impunity, otherwise how does a Midwest non fisherman end up of a New England striped bass website with so few members and activity.

Being amused is a plus in life. I feel a small reward for adding some amusement in yours. However little, I like to help, if possible.

I view many positions, even some of yours, as correct. So I don't think my commenting on those positions adds anything.

I explicitly recounted how I ended up on this website. I wasn't searching long and wide for a political message board, didn't even know they existed. I suspect that there are many more people than you think who have found there way here while searching for something else. I have seen that there have been times when well over 300 viewers were tuning in to the political forum. But, since you claim you don't read my posts, I can see how you missed the little story of how I got here. And I certainly wasn't looking for a place to, as you put it, pontificate.

To me, having intelligent conversations is not pontificating. To each his own. I apologize for any minor conflict I may have caused for you--on the one hand amusing you, on the other irritating you (viewing something as pontificating is considering it "annoyingly pompous"). On the other hand . . . I really don't care.

[Got Stripers]

For me to be part of a cancel culture as it relates to our blue man, I would have had to support him and his opinions at some point, me thinks that little ditty just doesn’t apply. But hey it’s always good to keep trying, it’s important in the learning process.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

For me to be part of a cancel culture as it relates to our blue man, I would have had to support him and his opinions at some point,


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Not really
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[Got Stripers]

I can’t recall a single position I have stated where you were in agreement, I must have had a senior moment for a day or two, otherwise I’d have cracked a bottle to celebrate a miracle.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

I can’t recall a single position I have stated where you were in agreement, I must have had a senior moment for a day or two, otherwise I’d have cracked a bottle to celebrate a miracle.

How could you recall something I didn't say. As I said above, when I agreed with something someone said, I didn't feel the need to say that I agreed, that it would add nothing. So, the vast majority of times, I made no replies to comments I agreed with. I don't recall offhand the times I agreed with something you said. But I know there have been several. It's really no big deal. I'm not who or what you think I am. But that's OK, and not important.

What I care about, as I've said many times, is not Trump or Biden or particular personalities with personal faults. Rather its what wdmso often refers to as the big picture. I care about the nature of the system by which we are governed. I still see the constitutional system we inherited as not only the best, but the danger to our liberties if we traded it for a Progressive government.

And that's the only real political conversation, I think, that is worth having. But we remain, how did you put it re your perception of me, "locked in" to making the issue about Trump. I could care less about Trump except only that if he loses and Congress is controlled by Progressives, then bye-bye constitutional order, hello brave new completely regulatory state.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

I must have had a senior moment for a day or two,

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Ummmm...every day pretty much
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[Got Stripers]

Not my meme but thought I’d be interested in whether you feel a women can to a better job.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Not my meme but thought I’d be interested in whether you feel a women can to a better job.
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Some women can. Some men can. Depends on the job. And the skills and knowledge of the woman or man.

But, more important for me, is the system of government. Queen Elizabeth the First and Catherine the Great were reputed to be very capable. Marie Antoinette, not so much. But the systems of government that each ruled under would not enable them to do a good enough job to match what is capable under the US constitutional form of government.

What form of government should we have, a constitutional republic, or a Progressive regulatory state? A constitutional republic, if we can keep it.

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Some women can. Some men can. Depends on the job. And the skills and knowledge of the woman or man.

But, more important for me, is the system of government. Queen Elizabeth the First and Catherine the Great were reputed to be very capable. Marie Antoinette, not so much. But the systems of government that each ruled under would not enable them to do a good enough job to match what is capable under the US constitutional form of government.

What form of government should we have, a constitutional republic, or a Progressive regulatory state? A constitutional republic, if we can keep it.

So I guess you’re ok with anonymous federal agents in unmarked rental vans seizing innocent people off the streets to detain and release with no explanation right? Because that’s what a constitutional republic does right?
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

So I guess you’re ok with anonymous federal agents in unmarked rental vans seizing innocent people off the streets to detain and release with no explanation right? Because that’s what a constitutional republic does right?
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There is no form of government that cannot be abused. So long as the people are able to keep their unalienable rights, they can correct abuses. A lot goes into that being possible. A free Press that is more interested in truth rather than propaganda. Education that teaches the value and history of our Republic, and how it is supposed to work, and the mistakes, including judicial decisions, that have been made. It is not easy, and insofar as the citizens would rather leave it up to the politicians and trust our bureaucracies and centralized media, they will let slip their rights and become wards of the state.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

So I guess you’re ok with anonymous federal agents in unmarked rental vans seizing innocent people off the streets to detain and release with no explanation right? Because that’s what a constitutional republic does right?
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haaa...you were the guy that thought it was just fine for federal agents to bust into the home of a couple of unarmed geriatrics in a pre-dawn raid to take them down at gunpoint

maybe these "protesters" should start acting like law abiding citizens


For at least 50 nights, demonstrators have protested...

"Some reform needs to happen, but a protest in a neighborhood is not the place to do it. Lighting fires in a neighborhood where kids and people live is not the way to do it," he said. "You're losing the message by using violence and fear."


yes...get the terrorist(protesters) off the streets please...

[Pete F.]

Just what law did this man break?

The man who’s being called “Captain Portland” after stoically absorbing a beating last night by Federal officers is a 53-year-old Navy veteran named Chris David.

The former Navy CO wanted a word with them about their oath. They broke his hand in 2 places.

Do you think camo cops or troops will get the cooperation of the population?

[Sea Dangles]

Live laugh and loot
What could go wrong
It seems so peaceful
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[scottw]

the left has a new face...sort of......I bet mom and dad are proud...could be the start of a trend that would be great fun

"Before it was over, she struck ballet poses and reclined on the street. She also sat on the asphalt in a yoga-like position, facing officers, before they left."

[Pete F.]

Protesting is a right and the vast majority of protesters are law abiding citizens. I think they should bring guns.
Look at what happened in Lansing and Richmond when armed protesters showed up, law enforcement did not show up in riot gear and escalate the situation, they bent over backwards to not have that happen.
If you are not armed, law enforcement can do whatever they want.
And they do, with little immediate consequence.