| |
 |
|
|
|
 |
|
 |
| |
| Political Threads This section is for Political Threads - Enter at your own risk. If you say you don't want to see what someone posts - don't read it :hihi: |
07-29-2018, 05:07 PM
|
#1
|
|
Certifiable Intertidal Anguiologist
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Somewhere between OOB & west of Watch Hill
Posts: 35,286
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by zimmy
I didn't know you were fighting a straw ban. It is nuts that so many straws are used and end up in the ocean that it had come to this. Just like the populace can't handle libertarian society, it also can't handle making intelligent decisions about waste and waste management. That left enough for you?
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
|
I throw my trash away, would you believe, in trash barrels. I recycle when it is the right thing to do. I am willing to bet you do too
We'll be at 30 trillion in debt in another decade but golly gee, we won't have plastic straws |
~Fix the Bait~ ~Pogies Forever~
Striped Bass Fishing - All Stripers
Kobayashi Maru Election - there is no way to win.
Apocalypse is Coming:
|
|
|
|
07-29-2018, 05:38 PM
|
#2
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Bethany CT
Posts: 2,885
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnR
I throw my trash away, would you believe, in trash barrels. I recycle when it is the right thing to do. I am willing to bet you do too
We'll be at 30 trillion in debt in another decade but golly gee, we won't have plastic straws
|
There are 9 billion tons of plastic going in the ocean each year. It is calculated that there are 8 billion straws on the world's shorelines. They aren't recyclable, they aren't necessary, there are alternatives. The ones you use might end up in the trash, but there are 500 million used per day in this country and lots of those don't get in the trash and lots that do still end up in water ways. It is a simple fix to a major problem.Much easier than fixing the budget. I do trash them but I also haven't used one unless it was put in my cup without asking me in probably 20 years. I worry more about the affects of plastic on marine ecosystems than I do about someone's straw for their cup of Sprite.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
|
|
|
|
|
07-30-2018, 05:42 AM
|
#3
|
|
Super Moderator
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Georgetown MA
Posts: 18,206
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sea Dangles
They also can't handle soft drinks,is that stupid enough too?
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
|
My personal favorite is how they want to change the voting age to 16 because kids are so much smarter these days, but want to raise the smoking age to 21 because kids just arent that smart at 18  |
"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
|
|
|
|
|
07-29-2018, 06:59 PM
|
#4
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 8,718
|
Oh my
Zimmy is on to something.🤡
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
07-30-2018, 06:46 PM
|
#5
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 8,718
|
My #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& sister in law thinks we should ban cars that can exceed 75mph
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
08-02-2018, 09:07 AM
|
#6
|
|
Certifiable Intertidal Anguiologist
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Somewhere between OOB & west of Watch Hill
Posts: 35,286
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by zimmy
There are 9 billion tons of plastic going in the ocean each year. It is calculated that there are 8 billion straws on the world's shorelines. They aren't recyclable, they aren't necessary, there are alternatives. The ones you use might end up in the trash, but there are 500 million used per day in this country and lots of those don't get in the trash and lots that do still end up in water ways. It is a simple fix to a major problem.Much easier than fixing the budget. I do trash them but I also haven't used one unless it was put in my cup without asking me in probably 20 years. I worry more about the affects of plastic on marine ecosystems than I do about someone's straw for their cup of Sprite.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
|
US Plastic Straws - a terrible terrible gross mismanagement of the world ecosystem.
Linky: http://www.northeastern.edu/rugglesm...e-should-know/
Now it really is a problem, but a small one. It is TERRIBLY effective as fuel for the OutrageMachine, for both sides.
Next you won't be able to meltdown your straws in order to print an AR15 with a highcapacity semiautoclip. |
~Fix the Bait~ ~Pogies Forever~
Striped Bass Fishing - All Stripers
Kobayashi Maru Election - there is no way to win.
Apocalypse is Coming:
|
|
|
|
|
08-02-2018, 09:41 AM
|
#7
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: RI
Posts: 21,480
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnR
US Plastic Straws - a terrible terrible gross mismanagement of the world ecosystem.
Linky: http://www.northeastern.edu/rugglesm...e-should-know/
Now it really is a problem, but a small one. It is TERRIBLY effective as fuel for the OutrageMachine, for both sides.
Next you won't be able to meltdown your straws in order to print an AR15 with a highcapacity semiautoclip. |
How much of China's mismanaged plastic originated in other nations? |
|
|
|
|
|
|
08-02-2018, 10:02 AM
|
#8
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 7,725
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by spence
How much of China's mismanaged plastic originated in other nations?
|
So other nations have to be penalized for China's mismanagement? I don't think we want to go down that road. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
08-02-2018, 10:29 AM
|
#9
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Bethany CT
Posts: 2,885
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by detbuch
So other nations have to be penalized for China's mismanagement? I don't think we want to go down that road.
|
I read that as we are in the top 20 of plastic pollution. There are 195 countries so we are in the top 10% of contributors. Because china is worse we should ignore it? Seems like a pretty low standard to set. Outrage machine? The outraged seem to be all the children crying in the street over the fact that they won't get a straw at McDonald's. Never mind, I haven't seen that. Without this forum, I wouldn't have known anyone would be outraged.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
|
|
|
|
|
08-02-2018, 09:42 AM
|
#10
|
|
Super Moderator
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Georgetown MA
Posts: 18,206
|
|
"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
|
|
|
|
|
08-02-2018, 10:59 AM
|
#11
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Bethany CT
Posts: 2,885
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman
|
Funny. But, and I am sure the faux news types won't tell you this, straws aren't banned outright in the places that have done it. It is a restaurant and bar ban. That little girl can take her straw anywhere she wants. Like they used to say at the end of gi Joe, knowing is half the battle.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
|
|
|
|
|
08-02-2018, 11:21 AM
|
#12
|
|
Super Moderator
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Georgetown MA
Posts: 18,206
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by zimmy
Funny. But, and I am sure the faux news types won't tell you this, straws aren't banned outright in the places that have done it. It is a restaurant and bar ban. That little girl can take her straw anywhere she wants. Like they used to say at the end of gi Joe, knowing is half the battle.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
|
Its not like the restaurants got together and said, this is a good idea, lets do it. The city councils are directing them to do it. Government taking time out of their busy days to legislate....straws...because......Turtles. Glad you're OK with that. Explains a lot
Glad to see that everything you learned in life you learned from GI Joe....explains even more. |
"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
|
|
|
|
|
08-02-2018, 11:53 AM
|
#13
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Bethany CT
Posts: 2,885
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman
Its not like the restaurants got together and said, this is a good idea, lets do it. The city councils are directing them to do it. Government taking time out of their busy days to legislate....straws...because......Turtles. Glad you're OK with that. Explains a lot
Glad to see that everything you learned in life you learned from GI Joe....explains even more.
|
Right and 50 years ago the textile companies in Connecticut dumped the dyes straight in the rivers and there was lead in gasoline. The companies didn't get together and say this is a bad idea, the government regulated it because it had negative impacts. The fact that your panties are in a bunch says more about you than the fact that I am ok with local governments having ordinances.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
|
|
|
|
|
08-02-2018, 12:03 PM
|
#14
|
|
Super Moderator
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Georgetown MA
Posts: 18,206
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by zimmy
Right and 50 years ago the textile companies in Connecticut dumped the dyes straight in the rivers and there was lead in gasoline. The companies didn't get together and say this is a bad idea, the government regulated it because it had negative impacts. The fact that your panties are in a bunch says more about you than the fact that I am ok with local governments having ordinances.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
|
my panties arent in a bunch, I just think its one of the stupidest things I've seen in awhile.
on an I.Q. scale it falls between "Has to eat Oatmeal with a Straw" and 'Just Pull the Plug"
But, if your wish is to someday have the Government wipe your ass for you....enjoy
https://www.samsclub.com/sams/jumbo-...0-ct/155875.ip |
"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
|
|
|
|
|
08-02-2018, 12:14 PM
|
#15
|
|
Certifiable Intertidal Anguiologist
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Somewhere between OOB & west of Watch Hill
Posts: 35,286
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by zimmy
Right and 50 years ago the textile companies in Connecticut dumped the dyes straight in the rivers and there was lead in gasoline. The companies didn't get together and say this is a bad idea, the government regulated it because it had negative impacts. The fact that your panties are in a bunch says more about you than the fact that I am ok with local governments having ordinances.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
|
Example of good regulation  - add clean air to that as well.
But straws? |
~Fix the Bait~ ~Pogies Forever~
Striped Bass Fishing - All Stripers
Kobayashi Maru Election - there is no way to win.
Apocalypse is Coming:
|
|
|
|
|
08-03-2018, 07:21 AM
|
#16
|
|
Ledge Runner Baits
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: I live in a house, but my soul is at sea.
Posts: 8,656
|
That’s why I drink beer, turn each can in to pay for more beer, love my hops. Straws are for kids.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
08-03-2018, 08:40 AM
|
#17
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 8,718
|
Yup, now the deficit is important to Wayne.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
08-03-2018, 01:39 PM
|
#18
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Somerset MA
Posts: 9,401
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sea Dangles
Yup, now the deficit is important to Wayne.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
|
I dont care about deficits I clearly understand they are part of Running a country in the long term .... the point is Republican have stated they cared about deficits as well as some here ..until Trump took office that is ....
But the Tax cut and better GDP were sold as they would pay for themselves and reduce the deficit with an increase in Tax revenue because of the booming economy.... Seems not to be the case  |
|
|
|
|
|
|
08-03-2018, 04:34 PM
|
#19
|
|
Certifiable Intertidal Anguiologist
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Somewhere between OOB & west of Watch Hill
Posts: 35,286
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by zimmy
You willing to fund that with your tax dollars? It isn't in the interest of the recycling companies to do that. They recycle for profit. They have no incentive to upgrade all the machinery even if the technology existed The market in China for recycled material has dried up as it is. I understand people view this as solely a personal freedom issue, but when the stuff someone uses becomes an external problem, personal freedom has limits. The impact of plastic on wildlife, and fisheries in particular, is dramatic and the cost to purchase a straw or plastic bag doesn't come close to the economic impact associated with them as waste.
How about this? Tax the straws at a rate that will allow the recycling companies to upgrade the machinery to collect the straws for recycling. Probably end up being a few cents per straw given the 500 million a day that are used in USA. All the tax goes to fund upgrades. Temporary tax of a year or two, whatever is needed. Pretty sure a bunch of people that are upset about local ordinances banning straws would be equally upset about a tax to deal with the problem.
|
I am already paying Taxes at an exhorbitant rate for tons of services I don't get (some of which I'm fine with, some not).
Quote:
Originally Posted by wdmso
I dont care about deficits I clearly understand they are part of Running a country in the long term .... the point is Republican have stated they cared about deficits as well as some here ..until Trump took office that is ....
But the Tax cut and better GDP were sold as they would pay for themselves and reduce the deficit with an increase in Tax revenue because of the booming economy.... Seems not to be the case |
Small deficits are OK to run a country, not a deficit that is 6 times annual receipts.
The fact that YOU don't care about deficits clearly establishes your credibility when it comes to things financial ; ) and if one can further draw conclusions... |
~Fix the Bait~ ~Pogies Forever~
Striped Bass Fishing - All Stripers
Kobayashi Maru Election - there is no way to win.
Apocalypse is Coming:
|
|
|
|
|
08-03-2018, 04:47 PM
|
#20
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Bethany CT
Posts: 2,885
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnR
I am already paying Taxes at an exhorbitant rate for tons of services I don't get (some of which I'm fine with, some not).
|
I agree, taxes are already high, the recycling companies have no financial incentive to upgrade equipment, and plastic is a problem. A local ordinance isn't THAT crazy.
Also, had to check and, no surprise,
https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2...-2/app-straws/
Wondered why guys in New England cared what localities on the west coast were up to.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
|
|
|
|
|
08-03-2018, 05:02 PM
|
#21
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: RI
Posts: 21,480
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnR
Small deficits are OK to run a country, not a deficit that is 6 times annual receipts.
The fact that YOU don't care about deficits clearly establishes your credibility when it comes to things financial ; ) and if one can further draw conclusions...
|
Federal tax receipts are over 3 trillion in recent years, compared to Bush era deficts of over a trillion, Obama era deficits of 5-600 Billion or the mushrooming Trump deficits that will take us back over a trillion for the next decade.
While this doesn't seem to look good for Republicans it's nowhere near the 6x multiple you claim. The fact that YOU don't understand deficits clearly establishes your credibility when it comes to things financial ; ) and if one can further draw conclusions... |
|
|
|
|
|
|
08-03-2018, 06:28 PM
|
#22
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 20,441
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by spence
recent years, compared to Bush era deficts of over a trillion, Obama era deficits of 5-600 Billion or the mushrooming Trump deficits that will take us back over a trillion for the next decade.
and if one can further draw conclusions...
|
I can draw the conclusion that you are a world class cherry-picker of data. If you ignore Obama's first 4 years, yes the deficits shrank. to half a trillion You conveniently left out that (1) his deficits were much larger in his first 4 years, and that the democrats controlled congress when the deficits were massive, and the GOP controlled congress (and this the budgets) when his deficits came down.
If you want to say conservatives are hypocrites about going berserk about deficits under Obama and now silent, that's 100% legitimate. But Obama added more to the debt than anyone before him. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
08-03-2018, 10:34 PM
|
#23
|
|
Certifiable Intertidal Anguiologist
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Somewhere between OOB & west of Watch Hill
Posts: 35,286
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by spence
Federal tax receipts are over 3 trillion in recent years, compared to Bush era deficts of over a trillion, Obama era deficits of 5-600 Billion or the mushrooming Trump deficits that will take us back over a trillion for the next decade.
While this doesn't seem to look good for Republicans it's nowhere near the 6x multiple you claim. The fact that YOU don't understand deficits clearly establishes your credibility when it comes to things financial ; ) and if one can further draw conclusions...
|
Do all of Bush and all of Obama - don't cherry pick
P.S. - I was against both in this regard  |
~Fix the Bait~ ~Pogies Forever~
Striped Bass Fishing - All Stripers
Kobayashi Maru Election - there is no way to win.
Apocalypse is Coming:
|
|
|
|
|
08-04-2018, 12:28 AM
|
#24
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 8,718
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by spence
Federal tax receipts are over 3 trillion in recent years, compared to Bush era deficts of over a trillion, Obama era deficits of 5-600 Billion or the mushrooming Trump deficits that will take us back over a trillion for the next decade.
While this doesn't seem to look good for Republicans it's nowhere near the 6x multiple you claim. The fact that YOU don't understand deficits clearly establishes your credibility when it comes to things financial ; ) and if one can further draw conclusions...
|
Context Jeff
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
PRO CHOICE REPUBLICAN
|
|
|
|
|
08-03-2018, 12:09 PM
|
#25
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 8,718
|
Where are quotation marks?
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
08-03-2018, 12:12 PM
|
#26
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 12,632
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sea Dangles
Where are quotation marks?
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
|
fixed it...  |
|
|
|
|
|
|
08-03-2018, 12:16 PM
|
#27
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Bethany CT
Posts: 2,885
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by scottw
fixed it... |
Tough time in middle school for you I bet...
And your teachers didn't teach you how to selectively quote either.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
|
|
|
|
|
08-03-2018, 12:56 PM
|
#28
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 12,632
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by zimmy
Tough time in middle school for you I bet...
And your teachers didn't teach you how to selectively quote either.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
|
yeah....puberty and everything...tough time |
|
|
|
|
|
|
08-03-2018, 01:17 PM
|
#29
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Bethany CT
Posts: 2,885
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by scottw
yeah....puberty and everything...tough time
|
Don't worry, it gets better eventually for most people.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
|
|
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:35 AM.
|
| |
Hybrid Mode