How can I make this happen?

[RIJIMMY]

agreed, food contact and preparation are a different story.

just out of curiosity, anyone been to a day care?
puke, crap, spit, snot,piss, drool - non stop. my kids survived.

[Joe]

Oh.....see...I didn't understand your point. Particularly as you tweak it with each post....I guess you're right again.

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by Joe

Oh.....see...I didn't understand your point. Particularly as you tweak it with each post....I guess you're right again.

duh, whatever - here is a clip from my initial post
"who cares, human beings have survived terrible living situations for tens of thoushands of years. I've never heard of anyone getting sick becuase there was some piss on a door handle." so, I've gone away from that????? I've now been enlightened that scratching your sack spreads disease? yeah, thats a big problem.....

And Gattafish, my reponses are based on the initial post, maybe Im nuts but i assumed ez is in the united states, and yes I do things differently than if I was in a 3rd world country, I also do things differently when at a some highly used pota potty, but the INITIAL THREAD was about a work environment.
its funny all the strong opinons, lets see the data?
I GUARANTY more people get sick from handling common everyday items than from a restroom sink or door handle. PROVE ME WRONG.

[ecduzitgood]

It was just my opinion that having the sink on the outside of the restrooms would work better. I think the people who are most bothered by this idea are the ones who will not wash their hands now because they don't want to touch the faucet that everyone touched otherwise what's the big deal.

[GattaFish]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

And Gattafish, my reponses are based on the initial post, maybe Im nuts but i assumed ez is in the united states, and yes I do things differently than if I was in a 3rd world country, I also do things differently when at a some highly used pota potty, but the INITIAL THREAD was about a work environment.
its funny all the strong opinons, lets see the data?
I GUARANTY more people get sick from handling common everyday items than from a restroom sink or door handle. PROVE ME WRONG.

I read the initial thread,,, and the posts, Especially YOURS, which I have quoted and PROVEN to be foolish nonsense ......,,,, I have noticed that as you have met opposition you have slowly manipulated your answers to try to prove a ridiculous and unfounded point that you and only YOU seem to think is true,,,,,

Never the less still not getting the fact that everyday common items carry disease because PEOPLE DON'T WASH THEIR HANDS...

Isn't cabin fever grand

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by GattaFish

I read the initial thread,,, and the posts, Especially YOURS, which I have quoted and PROVEN to be foolish nonsense ......,,,, I have noticed that as you have met opposition you have slowly manipulated your answers to try to prove a ridiculous and unfounded point that you and only YOU seem to think is true,,,,,

Never the less still not getting the fact that everyday common items carry disease because PEOPLE DON'T WASH THEIR HANDS...

Isn't cabin fever grand

you have to be f'in kidding me? How the hell have I tweaked my response and how have YOU PROVEN me worng???

We are not talking about disease spread via people and objects, we are talking about disease spread FROM THE BATHROOM, no???
I'll say it clearly as possible - random contact with piss or crap via a restroom will not cause you any health issues 99% of the time.
So you want PROOF, versus your nonsense replies - here goes:
random web research -
There are many simple things that protect you from airborne and surface bacteria, the most powerful being your own immune system. People in decent to excellent health can afford to be reckless more often than the very young or the elderly.
While it is obviously unsanitary to not wash your hands after touching dirty surfaces, more often than not, you will come away unscathed. Your body is tough enough
(WHOA ! wasnt I saying this?????)

from web md -
"To my knowledge, no one has ever acquired an STD on the toilet seat -- unless they were having sex on the toilet seat!" says Abigail Salyers, PhD, president of the American Society for Microbiology (ASM).


Common cold germs, like most viruses, die rapidly, and thus may be less of a threat than you think. "Even if you come into contact with particular viruses or bacteria, you'd have to contract them in amounts large enough to make you sick," says Judy Daly, PhD, professor of pathology at the University of Utah in Salt Lake City.

so.....Im way off? You proved me wrong? So, you live your life worrying that some guy with Hep C may crap on his hands and then make some tuna salad for you? That chance is SO SMALL its insane. How do you drive a car? you chance of dying or getting injured is WAY higher than contacting a serious sickness from a restroom!

[ecduzitgood]

[QUOTE=RIJIMMY;742032]duh, whatever - here is a clip from my initial post
"who cares, human beings have survived terrible living situations for tens of thoushands of years. I've never heard of anyone getting sick becuase there was some piss on a door handle." so, I've gone away from that????? I've now been enlightened that scratching your sack spreads disease? yeah, thats a big problem.....

And Gattafish, my reponses are based on the initial post, maybe Im nuts but i assumed ez is in the united states, and yes I do things differently than if I was in a 3rd world country, I also do things differently when at a some highly used pota potty, but the INITIAL THREAD was about a work environment.
its funny all the strong opinons, lets see the data?
I GUARANTY more people get sick from handling common everyday items than from a restroom sink or door handle. PROVE ME WRONG.[/QUOTE]
How could I prove you wrong?
The germs on everday items would be reduced if more people would wash their hands more. PROVE ME WRONG
If people don't wash their hands in the restroom then where and when do they?
Try this experiement and see what happens:

The Germy Potato Experiment
Science Experiment to Teach Kids about Germs
Feb 29, 2008 Jennifer Wagaman

Teach children about germs and the importance of washing their hands with this hands-on potato experiment.


The Germy Potato Experiment is designed to teach students about the importance of washing their hands through observation. To do this experiment, you will need three potatoes, hand soap and three plastic bags large enough to put one potato in each.

The Germy Potato Experiment
The first potato will be the control. After washing your hands hands and the potato, peel the potato and put it in a plastic zip lock bag without letting it touch anything else. The idea here is to keep all germs from touching the potato. Label this bag number one.

The second potato will be the germy potato. It is best to introduce this potato after recess. When the students come in, have the second potato washed and peeled, then have each child handle it before putting it in the second zip lock bag. Label this bag number two.

Then have the children wash their hands with soap and water for 30 seconds (sing the ABC’s to make sure they wash long enough). Once they have thoroughly cleansed their hands, wash and peel the third potato and have them handle it before putting it in the third plastic zip lock bag. Label this bag number 3.

Now have the students hypothesize: what will happen to the first potato? The second potato? The third potato? The students should draw and/or write daily observations about changes in the potatoes over the course of one week.



Read more at Suite101: The Germy Potato Experiment: Science Experiment to Teach Kids about Germs The Germy Potato Experiment: Science Experiment to Teach Kids about Germs

[RIJIMMY]

[QUOTE=ecduzitgood;742045]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

duh, whatever - here is a clip from my initial post
"who cares, human beings have survived terrible living situations for tens of thoushands of years. I've never heard of anyone getting sick becuase there was some piss on a door handle." so, I've gone away from that????? I've now been enlightened that scratching your sack spreads disease? yeah, thats a big problem.....

And Gattafish, my reponses are based on the initial post, maybe Im nuts but i assumed ez is in the united states, and yes I do things differently than if I was in a 3rd world country, I also do things differently when at a some highly used pota potty, but the INITIAL THREAD was about a work environment.
its funny all the strong opinons, lets see the data?
I GUARANTY more people get sick from handling common everyday items than from a restroom sink or door handle. PROVE ME WRONG.[/QUOTE]
How could I prove you wrong?
The germs on everday items would be reduced if more people would wash their hands more. PROVE ME WRONG
If people don't wash their hands in the restroom then where and when do they?
Try this experiement and see what happens:

The Germy Potato Experiment
Science Experiment to Teach Kids about Germs
Feb 29, 2008 Jennifer Wagaman

Teach children about germs and the importance of washing their hands with this hands-on potato experiment.


The Germy Potato Experiment is designed to teach students about the importance of washing their hands through observation. To do this experiment, you will need three potatoes, hand soap and three plastic bags large enough to put one potato in each.

The Germy Potato Experiment
The first potato will be the control. After washing your hands hands and the potato, peel the potato and put it in a plastic zip lock bag without letting it touch anything else. The idea here is to keep all germs from touching the potato. Label this bag number one.

The second potato will be the germy potato. It is best to introduce this potato after recess. When the students come in, have the second potato washed and peeled, then have each child handle it before putting it in the second zip lock bag. Label this bag number two.

Then have the children wash their hands with soap and water for 30 seconds (sing the ABC’s to make sure they wash long enough). Once they have thoroughly cleansed their hands, wash and peel the third potato and have them handle it before putting it in the third plastic zip lock bag. Label this bag number 3.

Now have the students hypothesize: what will happen to the first potato? The second potato? The third potato? The students should draw and/or write daily observations about changes in the potatoes over the course of one week.



Read more at Suite101: The Germy Potato Experiment: Science Experiment to Teach Kids about Germs The Germy Potato Experiment: Science Experiment to Teach Kids about Germs

This is handwashing and nothing to do with the bathroom. get it? your post was about the bathroom, no? in order to rpove you point, you need to show that urine or feces caused the potatoes to become "germy".

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

duh, whatever - here is a clip from my initial post
"who cares, human beings have survived terrible living situations for tens of thoushands of years. I've never heard of anyone getting sick becuase there was some piss on a door handle." so, I've gone away from that????? I've now been enlightened that scratching your sack spreads disease? yeah, thats a big problem.....

You're right. Human beings have survived terrible living situations for quite a long time in history. They also had life expectancies that barely touched 30 years old.

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

You're right. Human beings have survived terrible living situations for quite a long time in history. They also had life expectancies that barely touched 30 years old.

and the immune system has evolved to handle it. I guess I dont equate a mostly clean workforce not consistenly washing their hands in the bathroom as "terrible living situations". Apparently I am in the minority. Im done, enjoy your paranoia. Im going to go crap, pick my nose, do the dirty dishes, clean my kids room and then have sex with my my wife and then get on my knees and pray, we dont get fooled again.

[fishbones]

Lets put sinks outside every public restroom. While we're at it, let's also put them on the inside and outside of every door to every public place. After all, we know that the dirty poopy, pee, boogie hand people go to places other than public restooms. How about on all buses, trains and in all cabs? I shudder to think of all the fecal matter, snots and herpes I've been exposed to while out and about.

Or, everyone could do their best to wash their hands and go on living life unafraid of the poopy germs. If you're too afraid that others don't wash theirs, stay home in your freakin' bubble.

Point is you could put sinks everywhere and people aren't going to use them if it's not a habit to do so. I was out Sat. night and the place had automatic flushing urinals, auto soap dispensers, auto fawcets and no doors to the restrooms (you walked around a corner so no one could see in). You didn't have to touch anything to wash up. Still, guys were taking leaks and then walking right out the door without washing their mitts.

[ecduzitgood]

Originally Posted by fishbones

Lets put sinks outside every public restroom. While we're at it, let's also put them on the inside and outside of every door to every public place. After all, we know that the dirty poopy, pee, boogie hand people go to places other than public restooms. How about on all buses, trains and in all cabs? I shudder to think of all the fecal matter, snots and herpes I've been exposed to while out and about.

Or, everyone could do their best to wash their hands and go on living life unafraid of the poopy germs. If you're too afraid that others don't wash theirs, stay home in your freakin' bubble.

Point is you could put sinks everywhere and people aren't going to use them if it's not a habit to do so. I was out Sat. night and the place had automatic flushing urinals, auto soap dispensers, auto fawcets and no doors to the restrooms (you walked around a corner so no one could see in). You didn't have to touch anything to wash up. Still, guys were taking leaks and then walking right out the door without washing their mitts.

Is it really such a bad idea? Perhaps if they could be seen not washing they might do it. Like I stated earlier if it could save space and perhaps get more people to use them; what is the negative side?

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by ecduzitgood

Is it really such a bad idea? Perhaps if they could be seen not washing they might do it. Like I stated earlier if it could save space and perhaps get more people to use them; what is the negative side?

YES, IT'S A BAD IDEA!!!!!!!! It's not practical to put sinks everywhere. Do you even understand the reality of retrofitting everyplace I mentioned above to put sinks in? No matter what you do, people are going to have dirty hands. Even if people can see, they still won't wash their hands. Do you get it? I was at a Providence Bruins game on Friday and watched as several guys zipped up, turned around and walked out of the restroom without washing. This was at the end of the game when there were lines in the bathroom, so it's not like their poor bathroom hygiene went undetected by others. I then went, washed my hands and left. As I was exiting the rink, I made my wife hold the exit door since I had just washed my hands. She had gloves on.

[ecduzitgood]

Originally Posted by fishbones

YES, IT'S A BAD IDEA!!!!!!!! It's not practical to put sinks everywhere. Do you even understand the reality of retrofitting everyplace I mentioned above to put sinks in? No matter what you do, people are going to have dirty hands. Even if people can see, they still won't wash their hands. Do you get it? I was at a Providence Bruins game on Friday and watched as several guys zipped up, turned around and walked out of the restroom without washing. This was at the end of the game when there were lines in the bathroom, so it's not like their poor bathroom hygiene went undetected by others. I then went, washed my hands and left. As I was exiting the rink, I made my wife hold the exit door since I had just washed my hands. She had gloves on.

I did not say everywhere I said restrooms and eventually all bathrooms get remolded. At sporting events I'm not suprised who doesn't think there a animal when there; even I do but I wash my hands to get the crap off that I may have picked up from someone else. It has nothing to do with being a tough guy; am I supposed to be impressed by someone NOT washing their hands.

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by ecduzitgood

I did not say everywhere I said restrooms and eventually all bathrooms get remolded. At sporting events I'm not suprised who doesn't think there a animal when there even I do but I wash my hands to get the crap off that I may have picked up from someone else. It has nothing to do with being a tough guy; am I supposed to be impressed by someone NOT washing their hands.

no, but you shouldnt worry about the result of others not doing it as much as you apparently do. As I have been saying over and over, its not a big freakin deal. You'll live.

[RIJIMMY]

im just curious, have you ever made out with some random chick or do you do a throat culture first?

[ecduzitgood]

Jimmy I have done worse than that but it has nothing to do with being a tough guy, it just has to do with more people washing their hands which might help reduce illness. I know I don't like being sick I'm a bear when I'm sick it irritates the hell out of me that something I can't see can make me feel so bad, I'd rather have an injury that I know how it happened.
And over the years I worked as a janitor in a college science building(also pt at a day care and a rest home) and I did run cultures on many surfaces amazingly the trash barrels next to the professors desk were one of the cleaner places in fact so were the toilet seats . It was the door handles and desktops that had the most filth (germs/viruses/bacteria). But once again if people had easy access to sinks they would wash their hands more and that is where the germs transfer from. Perhaps some people would just wash them because it's right there and it's convenient they wouldn't even have to go in the restroom.

[RIJIMMY]

GOOD GOD! I used to fear nuclear war.......bbbbut now I see the real threat
AHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[The Dad Fisherman]

I don't think Jimmy is saying Don't Wash your Hands....he's saying Don't Freak out about the germs.

Which I think is true.......people tend to be overly paranoid about the whole germ thing, Disenfectant This and Hand Sanitizer that. Good ones and Bad ones are everywhere and there really isn't anything you can do to keep yourself germ free...outside of living in a plastic bubble.

If you got kids you might as well just wave the white flag...they go to the Public Petri Dish everyday for school anyways.

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

I don't think Jimmy is saying Don't Wash your Hands....he's saying Don't Freak out about the germs.

Which I think is true.......people tend to be overly paranoid about the whole germ thing, Disenfectant This and Hand Sanitizer that. Good ones and Bad ones are everywhere and there really isn't anything you can do to keep yourself germ free...outside of living in a plastic bubble.

If you got kids you might as well just wave the white flag...they go to the Public Petri Dish everyday for school anyways.

exactly, but thats just me tweakin' my story....
I've tried to rephrase it many ways - be a man, dont worry about it, you'll survive, etc....the risk of catching anything from a bathroom is incredibly slim. This thread was about OTHERS washing their hands, not you.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

exactly, but thats just me tweakin' my story....
I've tried to rephrase it many ways - be a man, dont worry about it, you'll survive, etc....the risk of catching anything from a bathroom is incredibly slim. This thread was about OTHERS washing their hands, not you.

Yeah, I got that from your 1st post.....

I'm amazed people here are this paranoid about germs considering they Handle eels, pogies, stripers and other fish that swim in their own "toilet" on a regular basis.

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Yeah, I got that from your 1st post.....

I'm amazed people here are this paranoid about germs considering they Handle eels, pogies, stripers and other fish that swim in their own "toilet" on a regular basis.

and I just watched a video where a guy grabs a shiner, drops it on the bathroom floor, picks it up ( I assume it was the same one) and eats it
didn't even wash it off or get a different one

you don't want to get mercer on you, other stuff I understand , your immunity can handle most stuff.
But if your immunity is compromised for whatever reason, overworked and tired or you have a lung disease, you can get sick from others who don't take a moment to wash their hands. THAT is a shame.

[PRBuzz]

Germs are everywhere....it is not necessarily about the germs and exposure to them...it is about your immunity and ability to fight of infection. Guess how you get immunity: exposure!

[ecduzitgood]

Originally Posted by PRBuzz

Germs are everywhere....it is not necessarily about the germs and exposure to them...it is about your immunity and ability to fight of infection. Guess how you get immunity: exposure!

There are things that we have no immunity to that hand washing can eliminate.

[RIJIMMY]

you always did understand me.

[ecduzitgood]

I don't like getting sick and if more people washed there hands then there would be less sick people. My hand washing isn't going to prevent all illnesses but it does lower my risk of many. I am somewhat surprised that some people have such strong opinions when it comes to hand washing. It only takes a minute and it might just prevent you from getting sick.

[The Dad Fisherman]

[PRBuzz]

I'd be willing to bet that 98+% of the people that do wash their hands do it in a way (majority of the time) to be non-effective at decontamination of the hands.....false sense of security? Have you ever watched a surgeon scrub for an operation?

[ecduzitgood]

Originally Posted by PRBuzz

I'd be willing to bet that 98+% of the people that do wash there hands do it in a way (majority of the time) to be non-effective at decontamination of the hands.....false sense of security? Have you ever watched a surgeon scrub for an operation?

I am sure you are correct but hey I'll take some effort compared to none. At least try to look considerate, civilized or just well mannered.

[RIJIMMY]

this thread has evolved from concerns over dirty bathroom door handles to the merits of hand washing to control germs.