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spence · 04-11-2009, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyD

This situation has gotten ridiculous. 4 pirates in the life boat + 4 sharpshooters + one pull of the trigger each = situation resolved.

I think that would most likely result in a dead capt.

-spence

JohnnyD · 04-11-2009, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by spence

I think that would most likely result in a dead capt.

-spence

No one at all wants that, especially considering how close to home this may hit for some people. On the other hand, these pirates have already demonstrated that they cannot be trusted in a negotiation sense. An exchange for the captain was suppose to take place before the military got involved.

The pirates are desperate. There is no way for me to imagine the tension of the situation, nor can I imagine the weight of responsibility felt by those negotiating the situation. However, the pirates are sitting ducks and an immediate threat.
An example should be made of them like this Bank Robber that threatened to kill his hostage.
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/6007331/detail.html

Hopefully someone more educated can help me with something...
This area has been seen for years as a highly dangerous area. Why aren't there armed guards on these ships? Is there an international restriction or something to that effect?

Mr. Sandman · 04-11-2009, 12:37 PM

I still can't believe Obama is quite on this. Reminds me of the attack of the USS COLE and Clinton. (Who did NOTHING and IMO is what lead to further attacks in the US and eventually 911)

I can tell you the Navy is being told to do nothing....believe me they want to kill the pirates, but the new commander in chief is calling the shots and being told to stand down and observe.

This is his first military test and his lack of experience is shining thru. I give him a low grade so far. Even if this gets resolved today. Sitting in a life raft for days on end is not a solution. You need to take stern action to stop any other pirates on US ships.

Western flagged ships are paying ransoms...this is the problem...it's wrong..Just Kill the pirates and never pay ransom again. Try not to kill a US citizen but If someone dies on the process that is the cost we have to bear.

Hillary wants to capture them, treat them as criminals and give them lawyers...screw that, flush these SOB's once and for all goddammit.

(BTW, I believe the capt jumped overboard and began swimming towards the ship so he would be out of the way and the the Navy could shoot them...but they can't pull the trigger until the big man says fire and they probably could not get the go ahead in time . Should be standing orders, if you have a clear shot to kill them all, take it.)

RIROCKHOUND · 04-11-2009, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Sandman

Western flagged ships are paying ransoms...this is the problem...it's wrong..Just Kill the pirates and never pay ransom again. Try not to kill a US citizen but If someone dies on the process that is the cost we have to bear.

Are you going to go to Vermont and tell the wife and family of the Capt. that this is what had to be done and it's the cost to bear Jim?

I think it is a tricky situation; the Capt is not a soldier, but did volunteer to save his crew, so what liberty does the navy have with his life? The report was he tried to swim, but couldn't get far enough away and the pirates fired on him in the water so he swam back. Maybe thats the argument the navy should have been closer, I don't know.

My solution, tonight, send in a seal, drill a small hole in the bottom. Start sinking the lifeboat and see what happens. it's a long 300mile swim for the pirates...

justplugit · 04-11-2009, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyD

This situation has gotten ridiculous. 4 pirates in the life boat + 4 sharpshooters + one pull of the trigger each = situation resolved.

Problem is it's a covered life boat.
However if the captain was able to try and escape by getting into the water,
you can bet the Seals could have gotten to that boat at night
and done their thing.

Gotta believe the Comander in Cheif hasn't given the OK.
Must be trying to prove you can negotiate with anybody.

Still hasn't said a word, come on this is rediculous.

buckman · 04-11-2009, 02:33 PM

This is why I stay out of the Scuppers section....

justplugit · 04-11-2009, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by buckman

This is why I stay out of the Scuppers section....

redcrbbr · 04-12-2009, 07:08 AM

give the pirates the ransom, get the hostage off the boat and then destroy the boat, money and pirates on a primetime world wide broadcast. Could probably make the money back selling advertisements for the show.

spence · 04-12-2009, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by redcrbbr

give the pirates the ransom, get the hostage off the boat and then destroy the boat, money and pirates on a primetime world wide broadcast. Could probably make the money back selling advertisements for the show.

I think if this had a high chance of success they would have done it already. The handoff might be pretty tricky, it rarely works in the movies.

Sounds like more Navy ships are heading to the area and will block the boat from the wind pushing it ashore if necessary.

I can't believe Obama on this one. We're not running out of time and the Captain is still alive.

-spence

Raven · 04-12-2009, 07:31 AM

Johhny Depp should have been consulted.

buckman · 04-12-2009, 08:24 AM

A few thugs in a life boat hold the smartest and brightest President speachless. After sending in the entire US navy maybe there is a lesson in preemptive measures. It's amature hour. Look out when he gets tested by a real power.

spence · 04-12-2009, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by buckman

A few thugs in a life boat hold the smartest and brightest President speachless. After sending in the entire US navy maybe there is a lesson in preemptive measures. It's amature hour. Look out when he gets tested by a real power.

I couldn't agree more. Bush would have just killed the Captain and the pirates, snickered at the explosion, and moved on to bigger issues.

The only way we can read Obama's position on this is simply fear, he's totally frozen. Thank goodness a real Republican (Gates) is there to order the Navy into action.

I mean, this is a very simple situation. Pirates = bad. Obama is proabably caught up in all that nuance about why the pirates are bad, what kind of therapy would help them etc...

-spence

buckman · 04-12-2009, 08:36 AM

Pray for this guy please. If this captain dies, then we are set up for a National embaressment

spence · 04-12-2009, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by buckman

If this captain dies, then we are set up for a National embaressment

Nice, now you're just projecting your own disdain for Obama onto the situation. When anti-war Liberals did this about Iraq they were accused by the Right of secretly hoping our troops would fail.

Sounds like you're doing exactly the same thing.

-spence

buckman · 04-12-2009, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by spence

Nice, now you're just projecting your own disdain for Obama onto the situation. When anti-war Liberals did this about Iraq they were accused by the Right of secretly hoping our troops would fail.

Sounds like you're doing exactly the same thing.

-spence

uh..you missed the "Pray for this guy" part.

spence · 04-12-2009, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by buckman

uh..you missed the "Pray for this guy" part.

I'm sure you want the Captain to live, but do you want Obama to fail? You seem quite eager to define failure.

-spence

buckman · 04-12-2009, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by spence

I'm sure you want the Captain to live, but do you want Obama to fail? You seem quite eager to define failure.

-spence

I think if he does die, then yes, we failed him.
IMO, I think the failure was letting it happen to begin with. Sorry to rain on your Obama parade.

buckman · 04-12-2009, 09:10 AM

In Obama's defence. he's had alot on his plate....

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/wa...e_house_debut/

spence · 04-12-2009, 10:41 AM

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In Obama's defence. he's had alot on his plate....

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/wa...e_house_debut/

Wow, so now you're going after his kids and their puppy? And on Easter Sunday to boot...

-spence

spence · 04-12-2009, 12:32 PM

It looks like the Captain has been freed and is on a US Navy ship. Not much news but it's sounding like the special forces had their opportunity to lay some smack down and pulled it off cleanly. That's got to feel good.

Obama should give the Capt. a Presidential Medal of Freedom for his actions to save his crew.

What a story.

-spence

redcrbbr · 04-12-2009, 01:12 PM

they got him and he is ok. killed 3 out of 4 pirates

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/africa...tes/index.html

redcrbbr · 04-12-2009, 01:13 PM

didn't see your last post there Spence

buckman · 04-12-2009, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by spence

It looks like the Captain has been freed and is on a US Navy ship. Not much news but it's sounding like the special forces had their opportunity to lay some smack down and pulled it off cleanly. That's got to feel good.

Obama should give the Capt. a Presidential Medal of Freedom for his actions to save his crew.

What a story.

-spence

great ending on a great day

The Dad Fisherman · 04-12-2009, 02:31 PM

Its amazing what can be accomplished with Patience and a Plan.

1 Live Captain, 3 Dead Dumb-ass Pirates, 1 Captured Pirate who is supposedly the Brains (and i use the term loosely) of the group.

Job well done by all....

JohnnyD · 04-12-2009, 05:41 PM

Also, I believe my suggestion that the Navy act in this way was shot down:

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The three pirates, who were armed with AK-47 rifles, were killed by shooters who were aboard the Bainbridge, Gortney said.

Looks like my suggestions were right in line with what needed to happen.

Slipknot · 04-12-2009, 05:46 PM

Glad to hear the good news on the outcome of this.

thumbs up to the navy seals

Mr. Sandman · 04-12-2009, 06:51 PM

Peace thru strength...not ransoms

You don't have to police the worlds oceans, you simply protect yourself...ie. kill those that appear to be coming aboard to do harm... ask questions afterwards.

Fishpart · 04-12-2009, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Sandman

Peace thru strength...not ransoms

You don't have to police the worlds oceans, you simply protect yourself...ie. kill those that appear to be coming aboard to do harm... ask questions afterwards.

CHECK!!!

RIJIMMY · 04-13-2009, 10:09 AM

im on top of the world today. these are the things that separate Americans from the rest of the world, this captains courage should send a message to the world, minutes from being rescued he looked calm and collected as if it was only a matter of time until he was free. Very proud of my country today

likwid · 04-13-2009, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

im on top of the world today. these are the things that separate Americans from the rest of the world, this captains courage should send a message to the world, minutes from being rescued he looked calm and collected as if it was only a matter of time until he was free. Very proud of my country today

Yes, we should be psyched to know that pirates now know that its not worth taking Americans hostage, just shoot them.

Egypt and Yemen make insane amounts of money from ships transiting the region, where are they? Why aren't they patrolling? Why are we ONCE AGAIN expected to fix everyone else's problems?