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spence · 03-25-2006, 12:51 PM

Since when does believing in a conspiracy make you a liberal?

-spence

Skip N · 03-25-2006, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by spence

Since when does believing in a conspiracy make you a liberal?

-spence

It's mostly the extreme left that hold these types of 9/11 views. I'm talking way to left of the moveon.org crowd! Granted its a VERY small minority who think this way but yes these people would fall into the liberal catagory politically. Do most liberals think about 9/11 this way? of course not. Even i would'nt say that.

Skitterpop · 03-25-2006, 03:24 PM

tried to watch it all... maybe later

Are they saying that some of the planes didn`t crash into buildings? If so where are the citizens who were on these planes... I know relatively closely some who perished or family and friends.

my oh my.... I`m getting a headache

stripersnipr · 03-25-2006, 03:29 PM

Help! The paranoids are after me.

Skip N · 03-25-2006, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Indanite

tried to watch it all... maybe later

Are they saying that some of the planes didn`t crash into buildings? If so where are the citizens who were on these planes... I know relatively closely some who perished or family and friends.

my oh my.... I`m getting a headache

Oh but i'm sure Seabass has a good answer for that question. He prob thinks Bush hired those Al Queda guys to carry out W's murderous mission...

Skitterpop · 03-25-2006, 03:48 PM

I have finally seen the light. Please come over for dinner tonight and bring some extra ammo. After some sheperds pie and buds we`ll go out and shoot some leftys.

Feels good,
Spence

hope this is funny and does`nt upset either of you

spence · 03-25-2006, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip N

It's mostly the extreme left that hold these types of 9/11 views. I'm talking way to left of the moveon.org crowd! Granted its a VERY small minority who think this way but yes these people would fall into the liberal catagory politically. Do most liberals think about 9/11 this way? of course not. Even i would'nt say that.

Skippy, wrong...it's the anti-government folks who champion this stuff. It has nothing to do with liberalisim...you're just listening to too much talk radio.

Indanite, I have a great sense of humor. That being said you had better be watching your back, one wrong step and I'll issue a fashion citation on the spot.

-spence

Skip N · 03-25-2006, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Indanite

I have finally seen the light. Please come over for dinner tonight and bring some extra ammo. After some sheperds pie and buds we`ll go out and shoot some leftys.

Feels good,
Spence

hope this is funny and does`nt upset either of you

Nah, the only ammo i need to defeat the left is facts that prove them wrong

spence · 03-25-2006, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip N

Nah, the only ammo i need to defeat the left is facts that prove them wrong

Please let us know when you find some.

-spence

Skip N · 03-25-2006, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by spence

Please let us know when you find some.

-spence

They're in the mail, you'll get 'em soon

Skitterpop · 03-25-2006, 06:20 PM

You two guys make my visit to this site

Spence were you or are you a chef...or did you have training in the field?
What do you do for a living or are you a trust funder?

Skip...what do you do for a living?

no answers are acceptable

spence · 03-25-2006, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Indanite

Spence were you or are you a chef...or did you have training in the field?
What do you do for a living or are you a trust funder?

Trust funder...nice

No...I'm an enterprise software business consultant.

I'm also a very serious home cook. What this means is that I can give you the meal of your life, but only for about 6-8 people at a time and with no cost or time pressure

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Skip...what do you do for a living?

I think Skip's a professional redneck

-spence

Saltheart · 03-25-2006, 08:54 PM

Believe nothing of what you hear and only half of what you see...................But never stop looking and listening!!

The Dad Fisherman · 03-26-2006, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by spence

Since when does believing in a conspiracy make you a liberal?

-spence

The Same logic that states that if you're President then you must be intelligent.....you can see where this is going

seabass · 03-26-2006, 04:31 AM

After a good nights sleep, and a visit from two men from Langly, I agree with Skip, what ever the government reports is the correct news.Politicians never lie, especialy not Republicans. Thanks for helping me see the light...............this kool aid really tastes great.

Nebe · 03-26-2006, 08:47 AM

the same goverment that sterilized thousands of poor black women in mississippi a few decades ago so they wouldnt reproduce anymore... the same goverment who allowed drugs to be smuggled through our borders, the same goverment who lied about its ship being fires upon first to start the vietnam war.... etc. etc.

no lies here... nope. carry on.

Raven · 03-26-2006, 08:56 AM

the Government doesnt lie.....

thats a myth.....

there is NO "Area 51...."
pfffffffff
it's all in your imagination.....

there's no ufo's .....those are weather baloons you dummy...
oh wait....no,....it was the planet venus
you just "thought".... it was moving....

Skip N · 03-26-2006, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by seabass

After a good nights sleep, and a visit from two men from Langly, I agree with Skip, what ever the government reports is the correct news.Politicians never lie, especialy not Republicans. Thanks for helping me see the light...............this kool aid really tastes great.

WTF are you talking about? Will you go on record and state that Bush ordered the attacks on 9/11 and they have been lying about it ever since? You are so dodging the issue we'ver been talking about in this thread by making a general statement how polititions have never lied in the past. Lets stick to the 9/11 issue Seabass....Do you believe the President Bush ordered the attacks to murder 3000 Americans on 9/11 and has been lying about it ever since??

Skip N · 03-26-2006, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Nebe

the same goverment that sterilized thousands of poor black women in mississippi a few decades ago so they wouldnt reproduce anymore... the same goverment who allowed drugs to be smuggled through our borders, the same goverment who lied about its ship being fires upon first to start the vietnam war.... etc. etc.

no lies here... nope. carry on.

you too Nebe, Just like Seabass you are dodging the issue in this thread. Will you also go on record and say that Bush planned and ordered 9/11 like seasbass believes? And he's been lying about it ever since?

Nebe · 03-26-2006, 04:27 PM

I definately would not say he ordered it, but i would say that he may have known it was going to happen. If not him, definately someone close to him. Remember, it is rumored that we knew about pearl harbor, and let it happen so we could enter WWII and apease the isolationists here at home.

I really dont care if they knew about 9/11 or not.. its old news. the reality NOW is that the current administration is doing a HORRIBLE job.

30 grand per person to get out of his debt.....End of story.

stripersnipr · 03-26-2006, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Nebe

I definately would not say he ordered it, but i would say that he may have known it was going to happen. If not him, definately someone close to him. Remember, it is rumored that we knew about pearl harbor, and let it happen so we could enter WWII and apease the isolationists here at home.

I really dont care if they knew about 9/11 or not.. its old news. the reality NOW is that the current administration is doing a HORRIBLE job.

30 grand per person to get out of his debt.....End of story.

Yeah and so did the last one and the one before that so on and so on. The reality is we have about the highest standard of living in the history of mankind. Appreciate it. You think this the first time our country has operated in deficit mode? Tell us exactly how your quality of life is effected by this 30k debt you have assumed ownership of. Has it changed your living standards from the time when you didnt owe the $30k? Tell us about the freedom you had six years ago and dont have now. Those dirty Republicans are stealing your civil rights aren't they?

Nebe · 03-26-2006, 07:05 PM

do you have credit cards???? ever max them out?? there will come a time when we will have to pay for this spendign spree our goverment has gone on. That will mean higher taxes at some point.

sok · 03-26-2006, 08:39 PM

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Let's hear back from the OP.Or is like a typical arsonist.Light the fire and then watch it burn

I think the word is "troll"

Newboater · 03-27-2006, 08:20 AM

Didn't have time to watch all the 'stuff' I stopped when the commentator said 'In 1945 a B-52 crashed into the Empire State Building'. B52 went operational in 1954. Guess that part was a working model?
Sarge

Mike P · 03-27-2006, 11:40 AM

Ah, yes, the old "east wind, rain" smoking gun that FDR knew about Pearl Harbor.

It doesn't fly because it rests on faulty assumptions. One, that FDR knew more about how the war would play out than his top admirals, and knew that aircraft carriers would be the strategic key to victory, and not battleships. That's why he ordered the carriers to sea but kept the battlewagons in port as sacrificial lambs, according to the conspiracy theorists. Except that King, and even Yamamoto who ordered the attack, still believed in the supremacy of the battleship.

Two, that he knew that Pearl was THE objective of the attack, and that the japanese had the ability to pull it off. They knew the Japanese were up to something, but went with the natural assumption that it would come in the Philippines.

Most importantly, what FDR really wanted was an excuse to get into it with Germany in Europe. Even in the days following Pearl, there was very little support for getting into it with the Nazis in the US. Then, Hitler did the unthinkable by actually honoring a treaty, and declaring war on us after we declared war on Japan. You'd have to believe that FDR knew ahead of time that Hitler was going to honor the only treaty he ever did--against the advice of most of his top commanders, by the way.

Nebe · 03-27-2006, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike P

Ah, yes, the old "east wind, rain" smoking gun that FDR knew about Pearl Harbor.

It doesn't fly because it rests on faulty assumptions. One, that FDR knew more about how the war would play out than his top admirals, and knew that aircraft carriers would be the strategic key to victory, and not battleships. That's why he ordered the carriers to sea but kept the battlewagons in port as sacrificial lambs, according to the conspiracy theorists. Except that King, and even Yamamoto who ordered the attack, still believed in the supremacy of the battleship.

Two, that he knew that Pearl was THE objective of the attack, and that the japanese had the ability to pull it off. They knew the Japanese were up to something, but went with the natural assumption that it would come in the Philippines.

Most importantly, what FDR really wanted was an excuse to get into it with Germany in Europe. Even in the days following Pearl, there was very little support for getting into it with the Nazis in the US. Then, Hitler did the unthinkable by actually honoring a treaty, and declaring war on us after we declared war on Japan. You'd have to believe that FDR knew ahead of time that Hitler was going to honor the only treaty he ever did--against the advice of most of his top commanders, by the way.

My grand-father-in-law was secretary of war Under FDR. Trust me on this...... They knew.

Raven · 03-27-2006, 07:24 PM

their ticket to ride.....

but i sense a JEDI mind trick

PI guy · 03-27-2006, 07:40 PM

I can't wait for the fish to show up!!!!!!!Anyone?!!?

spence · 03-27-2006, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Nebe

My grand-father-in-law was secretary of war Under FDR. Trust me on this...... They knew.

George Dern?

-spence

Nebe · 03-27-2006, 09:01 PM

harry woodring.. Also former govenor of kansas. He was fdr's right hand man when he was elected pres, and when the war broke out in europe, they did not see eye to eye about going to war if we were not attacked. ( he was anisolationist) FDR replaced him before pearl harbor, but they were still very close for many many years.