Barack must be desperate for voters...

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

we've become a country of "lame"

I dont want to blame everything on "O" but I think his attitude has made it worse.

One thing I can say for Romney is he is a mature and moral person and believe he would bring dignity back to the office.

Its Sad...really is

"O" is just a part of the problem....every person that exploits the divide between people, whether it is for Political, Monetary, Religous, or Ratings Gains is a part of the problem.

We can only hope that SOMEONE can bring dignity back...these past 3 presidents sure as hell didn't do a lot for that cause.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Its Sad...really is

"O" is just a part of the problem....every person that exploits the divide between people, whether it is for Political, Monetary, Religous, or Ratings Gains is a part of the problem.

We can only hope that SOMEONE can bring dignity back...these past 3 presidents sure as hell didn't do a lot for that cause.

What did Bush 43 do that was undignified? From wher I sat, I thought he was too dignified, because he always let liberals insult him, and he never fought back.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

What did Bush 43 do that was undignified? From wher I sat, I thought he was too dignified, because he always let liberals insult him, and he never fought back.

Maybe he should have fought back...maybe take charge....be Presidential

This just Screams "Presidential Dignity" when I see it



Dignity upon Dignity....

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

we've become a country of "lame"

One thing I can say for Romney is he is a mature and moral person and believe he would bring dignity back to the office.

Like taking a quote WAY out of context in an ad and then basically saying, so what... he may be mature and dignified, but someone on his staff isn't at least..

I also thought, besides the intro, Bachman did pretty well on Fallon....

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

I dont want to blame everything on "O" but I think his attitude has made it worse.

While divisive politics certainly have a long history, it would seem as though the 1990's saw the current track we're on today really take hold.

Sure, the Dem's have had their moments, but the Republican efforts to maintain authority and destroy Clinton and Obama really has no equal, even considering left wing desires to impeach Bush for misleading the country into the Iraq war.

Obama might appear detached, but I don't think his attitude is a problem. From everything I've read he's completely engaged and works his ass off.

One thing I can say for Romney is he is a mature and moral person and believe he would bring dignity back to the office.

Agree, but I'm sure you could say that of a number of people who get to Washington and are soon corrupted even though they believe they're doing the right thing...it's not easy to lead when you're in a bubble.

-spence

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by spence

Obama might appear detached, but I don't think his attitude is a problem. From everything I've read he's completely engaged and works his ass off.

-spence

Doesn't matter how hard he works if he does a crappy job. There are no "A's for effort" in his position. And his childish remarks and smarmy attitude make people dislike him. That doesn't make him detached, but it makes him look like an ass.

[spence]

Originally Posted by fishbones

Doesn't matter how hard he works if he does a crappy job. There are no "A's for effort" in his position. And his childish remarks and smarmy attitude make people dislike him. That doesn't make him detached, but it makes him look like an ass.

The jury doesn't decide on the job he's done for another year. I think Obama can present a pretty effective presidency if he can get his PR together.

As for childish and smarmy remarks, I'm not sure there's much here to go on...unless you hated him to begin with.

-spence

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

While divisive politics certainly have a long history, it would seem as though the 1990's saw the current track we're on today really take hold.

Sure, the Dem's have had their moments, but the Republican efforts to maintain authority and destroy Clinton and Obama really has no equal, even considering left wing desires to impeach Bush for misleading the country into the Iraq war.

Obama might appear detached, but I don't think his attitude is a problem. From everything I've read he's completely engaged and works his ass off.


Agree, but I'm sure you could say that of a number of people who get to Washington and are soon corrupted even though they believe they're doing the right thing...it's not easy to lead when you're in a bubble.

-spence

"the Republican efforts to maintain authority and destroy Clinton and Obama really has no equal"

Sorry, remember Sarah Palin? Libs weren't out to destroy her? MSNBC is STILL obsessed with her, and she isn't even running for anything.

"From everything I've read he's completely engaged and works his ass off."

Spence, let me get this right. If you "read" that Bush was awesome, obviously you would dispute it. But when you read that Obama works his butt off, that's good enough for you, it must be true?

Just trying to clarify.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"the Republican efforts to maintain authority and destroy Clinton and Obama really has no equal"

Sorry, remember Sarah Palin? Libs weren't out to destroy her? MSNBC is STILL obsessed with her, and she isn't even running for anything.

She's still quite influential in the GOP though...as odd as it may seem.

As for efforts to discredit her, these were a response to an open invitation. Her VP nod was a trick play and she was obviously not ready for the job, if she ever would be...although she's making a hell of a lot of money just hanging out there

"From everything I've read he's completely engaged and works his ass off."

Spence, let me get this right. If you "read" that Bush was awesome, obviously you would dispute it. But when you read that Obama works his butt off, that's good enough for you, it must be true?

Just trying to clarify.

I think Bush was a disengaged President. He thought of himself as the "decider" and wanted to make a mark but really didn't want to own the decision making process. In all I think he's a decent guy who just gave up too much authority to those around him. The proof here is in the pudding.

Obama by contrast appears to put a lot more mental energy into the job. I don't think he has a bad attitude or hates America. If anything he's insulated himself too much from inside the beltway jabber and hasn't worked to control the debate. This has hindered his effectiveness.

There are limitations to both styles.

-spence

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by spence

While divisive politics certainly have a long history, it would seem as though the 1990's saw the current track we're on today really take hold.

Sure, the Dem's have had their moments, but the Republican efforts to maintain authority and destroy Clinton and Obama really has no equal, even considering left wing desires to impeach Bush for misleading the country into the Iraq war.

Obama might appear detached, but I don't think his attitude is a problem. From everything I've read he's completely engaged and works his ass off.

-spence

you're really nuts. Serioulsy. GWB never once responded to the deluge of criticisms on him from Iraq to Katrina while he was president. He never pointed fingers or whined. He acted above all the noise. "O" has lashed out time and time again on the right wing media, talk radio, critics, GOP, etc. He referred to the republicans as ENEMIES when making a latino campaign add. Whine and point fingers and this has done nothing but widen the divide. I dont care how hard he works, his actions and comments have led to a wider divide in this country,.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

you're really nuts. Serioulsy. GWB never once responded to the deluge of criticisms on him from Iraq to Katrina while he was president. He never pointed fingers or whined. He acted above all the noise. "O" has lashed out time and time again on the right wing media, talk radio, critics, GOP, etc. He referred to the republicans as ENEMIES when making a latino campaign add. Whine and point fingers and this has done nothing but widen the divide. I dont care how hard he works, his actions and comments have led to a wider divide in this country,.

Dead-on, RIJIMMY. Harry Reid, the majority leader of the Senate, called Bush a "loser". Bush was insulted again and again, and he never responded in kind, he was too good a guy (to his detriment, in my opinion). For someone to suggest that conservatives have cornered the market on boorish behavior is, as you said, "nuts".

But you have to be like that to buy into the liberal ideology. You have to be willing to see only what you want to see, and to frequently ignore that which doesn't serve your agenda, even if what you're ignoring is hard, irrefutable, fact. Lefties viciously attacked the tea party (who almost never misbehaved), and compliment the occupiers (who have descended to violent anarchy almost everywhere).

"his actions and comments have led to a wider divide in this country"

There is no doubt we're more divided now, and Obama has done NOTHING to mitigate this. He has repeatedly shown that he has no time for anyone who isn't inclined to kneel down and kiss his ring.

I thought for sure he'd be a shoe-in for re-election. Hell, there was a time when I relished the thought of only 8 years of him, because I was afraid he'd re-write the constitution and anoint himself president for life. It's amazing to me that with the entire media (except for Foxnews) in his pocket, that his numbers have sunk to this level. His incompetence makes him very vulnerable.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

Whine and point fingers and this has done nothing but widen the divide. I dont care how hard he works, his actions and comments have led to a wider divide in this country,.

it's calculated

"An organizer must stir up dissatisfaction and discontent... He must create a mechanism that can drain off the underlying guilt for having accepted the previous situation for so long a time. Out of this mechanism, a new community organization arises....
"The job then is getting the people to move, to act, to participate; in short, to develop and harness the necessary power to effectively conflict with the prevailing patterns and change them. When those prominent in the status quo turn and label you an 'agitator' they are completely correct, for that is, in one word, your function—to agitate to the point of conflict." Saul Alinsky


it's going to get ugly in 2012

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

you're really nuts. Serioulsy. GWB never once responded to the deluge of criticisms on him from Iraq to Katrina while he was president. He never pointed fingers or whined. He acted above all the noise. "O" has lashed out time and time again on the right wing media, talk radio, critics, GOP, etc. He referred to the republicans as ENEMIES when making a latino campaign add. Whine and point fingers and this has done nothing but widen the divide. I dont care how hard he works, his actions and comments have led to a wider divide in this country,.

This isn't about criticism, it's about coordinated attacks.

-spence

[scottw]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

you're really nuts. Serioulsy. GWB never once responded to the deluge of criticisms on him from Iraq to Katrina while he was president. He never pointed fingers or whined. He acted above all the noise. "O" has lashed out time and time again on the right wing media, talk radio, critics, GOP, etc. He referred to the republicans as ENEMIES when making a latino campaign add. Whine and point fingers and this has done nothing but widen the divide. I dont care how hard he works, his actions and comments have led to a wider divide in this country,.

he blames...and then he distorts(lies)

When asked what he would say to the African American community now disappointed in him over what many perceive are failed policies, but who, nonetheless, may still support him, President Barack Obama stated:

“The reason they still support me is because they understand what an incredible mess had been made as I was coming into office and we’ve been spending the last three years cleaning it up. The good news is that the economy is starting to strengthen. We’ve seen some positive signs. The unemployment rate has ticked down.”

Really?

WASHINGTON – The unemployment rate fell to 8.6 percent in November, a number that offers the Obama administration a rare piece of good economic news -- but also masks a startling shift in the job market.

The Labor Department said Friday that employers added 120,000 jobs last month. With that, the unemployment rate dropped to the lowest level in more than two and a half years. But a key reason for the sharp drop was that about 315,000 people had stopped looking for work -- for the Labor Department's purposes, they were not counted as unemployed.

The report comes as Congress wrangles over several jobs proposals, including extensions of the payroll tax cut and unemployment aid. And it arrives in advance of the first Republican primaries and caucuses, a race that has revolved around the economy.

More than half the jobs added were by retailers, restaurants and bars, a sign that holiday hiring has kicked in.

This is what constitutes "good news" for Obama these days......if all of the unemployed would just stop looking for work, he could tell everyone he fixed everything and we're back to normal and claim victory...more "snake oil"

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Here's some dignity for ol Barry

Russian newsreader Tatyana Limanova makes insulting gesture at Obama - Telegraph
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Yep, and all I said was the past 3 presidents didn't have it....maybe the next one???....who knows.

Maybe he should have embraced the Teleprompter

[ecduzitgood]

Besides voting present what qualifications did Obama have to be voted president compared tgo Sarah Palin being VICE president?
Obama could have shown his love for this country and it's laws by telling his Aunt and Uncle to please leave and reenter legally. Wouldn't it be nice to have an American citzen working the package store job instead, I'll bet a vet would show some appreciation to have aunt tootiefruities apartment rather than her opinion that we owe her citizenship now (she is on video check youtube.
Did they ever get anyone to replace Michele Obama and her $350k a year job and if so are they getting the same pay.
Besides the automakers (union) bailout and the stimulous whcih went to mostly state and federal employees and contractors who has he helped?
How much has she cost us compared to previous first ladies?
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[spence]

No, I said agree on the core issues...not do you support the "movement" which would include methods as well as a broader spectrum issues.

The CBS poll you've cited recorded 66% agree wealth should be distributed more evenly, a core issue for OWS.

The ABC poll done just after goes further, 61% not only saying wealth should be distributed more evenly, but that the federal government should take action.

Washington Post-ABC News Poll (washingtonpost.com)

The majority also seem to want corporations to have less influence in Washington, for instance 62% in this Gallup poll from earlier this year.

In U.S., Majority Still Wants Less Corporate Influence

It's time to really ask who's interests is Congress looking after. Yes, that was a rhetorical question...

-spence

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

No, I said agree on the core issues...not do you support the "movement" which would include methods as well as a broader spectrum issues.

The CBS poll you've cited recorded 66% agree wealth should be distributed more evenly, a core issue for OWS.

The ABC poll done just after goes further, 61% not only saying wealth should be distributed more evenly, but that the federal government should take action.

so let's follow this to it's logical conclusion...A new report (pdf) from the Tax Policy Center breaks it down. In 2011, about 46 percent of households won’t pay income taxes(Ezra Klein's blog WaPo for a little liberal credability). So I'll give you the 46%(and then you can dream that another 20% or so of Americans are currently socalists) who have no federal tax liability might agree to have the federal government redistribute wealth through higher taxes on the wealthy and corporations, they can only gain, right?.......and how exactly does the distributing take place? More government services, government jobs, just start making out checks to all of those who currently have no federal liability till all of the distributing is done and things are even.....?? I'm pretty sure that many of those 46% are already getting a nice check...
.
the actual question was

18. Do you think the federal government should or should not pursue policies that try to reduce the gap between wealthy and less well-off Americans? Do you feel that way strongly or somewhat?

you seem to assume that means taxing the wealthy and redistribution, which makes sense coming from you, some of us might see that as pursuing policies that will allow the economy to flourish again which would be the fastest way to close that gap


The majority also seem to want corporations to have less influence in Washington, for instance 62% in this Gallup poll from earlier this year.

In U.S., Majority Still Wants Less Corporate Influence

It's time to really ask who's interests is Congress looking after. Yes, that was a rhetorical question...if Congress were less busy doing things that it was never charged to do.... it might be better able to focus on the "interrests" that it is supposed to focus on.....

-spence

you are on a roll today MSNBC, NBC, CBS, WashPOST

I don't think it's a shock that people want to see less influence in Washington by Corporations...particularly when you see the debacles by this administration with tax payers money doled out to questionable corporations who just happen to be well connected...my guess is that many corporations would like to have much less to do with Washington thus having less "influence" but they have to, in many cases, pay to play, and cooperate in the protection schemes and rackets set up by Washington elites or else become a victim of Washington's whims....

how is Washington, the "Federal Government taking action" by increasing Federal taxes on the wealthy and corporations, going to result in a "more even distribution of wealth"? Particularly for those that currently have no federal liability...the fact is that this has nothing to do with spreading the "wealth" around to the bottom but everything to do with further funding a behemoth government, the "bottom" might have a few scraps thrown their way but the redistributing is from the wealthy and corporations to the Federal government to satisfy and further fund the enormous appetite of the Federal bureaucracy....nothing more...

a "core issue" without a lot of thought behind it

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

.

The CBS poll you've cited recorded 66% agree wealth should be distributed more evenly, a core issue for OWS.

The ABC poll done just after goes further, 61% not only saying wealth should be distributed more evenly, but that the federal government should take action.

It's time to really ask who's interests is Congress looking after. Yes, that was a rhetorical question...

-spence

so "it's time to really ask who's interests Congress is looking after".... by giving them more money to "redistribute"?

that makes sense, like handing the guy that is robbing you a gun and inviting him back next week..isn't it?

[spence]

Your own article mentions no direct link, what, you run out of bold?

Besides, Jim and I deal with facts. The fact is the investigation didn't turn up evidence to warrant terror charges. All you have is speculation.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Your own article mentions no direct link, what, you run out of bold?

Besides, Jim and I deal with facts. The fact is the investigation didn't turn up evidence to warrant terror charges. All you have is speculation.
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speculation............

Abdo’s motel room was stocked with gunpowder, firearms, and ammunition. Officials told ABC News that an article from al-Qaida’s “Inspire” magazine entitled “How to Build a Bomb in the Kitchen of Your Mom” was also found in his room.

According to one official, the magazine mentioned al-Qaida cleric Anwar al-Awlaki, the same man investigators believed was the inspiration behind the 2009 Fort Hood massacre.


probably lots of people stock their hotel rooms with gunpowder, firearms, ammunition and al -Qaida magazines on their way to cause "tragedies"

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

speculation............

Abdo’s motel room was stocked with gunpowder, firearms, and ammunition. Officials told ABC News that an article from al-Qaida’s “Inspire” magazine entitled “How to Build a Bomb in the Kitchen of Your Mom” was also found in his room.

According to one official, the magazine mentioned al-Qaida cleric Anwar al-Awlaki, the same man investigators believed was the inspiration behind the 2009 Fort Hood massacre.


probably lots of people stock their hotel rooms with gunpowder, firearms, ammunition and al -Qaida magazines on their way to cause "tragedies"

I would think that anyone considering such an action would surround themselves with material to support their objective. If there was an Islamic edition of the Anarchist Cookbook I'm sure that would have been there as well.

Face it, the guy was nuts. To call it terrorism you have to show deeper motive and/or affiliation which investigators who are a lot closer to this case than you or I haven't found.

-spence

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Face it, the guy was nuts. To call it terrorism you have to show deeper motive and/or affiliation which investigators who are a lot closer to this case than you or I haven't found.

-spence

yup...probably just an isolated incident...who will you be defending next week....Sandusky?...also rhetorical...I'm sure the answer is yes

ABC NEWS
Alleged Plot Against U.S. Military Base In Seattle Is Eighth in Two Years

June 24, 2011

In the latest planned assault on a U.S. military installation – at least the eighth such conspiracy in the past two years -- two Islamic converts have been arrested for allegedly plotting a Fort Hood-style attack on a Seattle center for new military recruits.

The alleged ringleader of the plot, 33-year-old Abu Khalid Abdul-Latif, a convicted felon once known as Joseph Davis, has posted a number of videos on-line attacking the U.S. military, as well as comments praising al Qaeda leader Anwar al-Awlaki, who has been linked to accused Ft. Hood shooter Nidal Hasan. According to the FBI, Abdul-Latif and accused coconspirator Walli Mujahidh, formerly Frederick Domingue, sought to determine "how they could kill the most military personnel and escape or die as martyrs" during a planned July 5 assault on the Military Entrance Processing Station.

The men discussed using "fragmentation grenades" in the facility's cafeteria as a way of maximizing casualties, say authorities, and were arrested after they allegedly purchased automatic weapons from an informant for the planned attack.

There have been at least eight attacks or alleged plots against military installations since 2009, including the November 2009 Fort Hood massacre, in which 13 people died at the Texas Army base. Palestinian-American Army Major Nidal Hasan, who had exchanged emails about jihad with Anwar al-Awlaki, is currently awaiting trial on multiple counts of murder and attempted murder. Just this week, Marine Reservist Yonathan Melaku was charged with shooting at military sites, including the Pentagon, after he was arrested in Arlington National Cemetery with a backpack full of inert ammonium nitrate. Melaku allegedly videotaped himself shouting "Allahu Akbar" while shooting at the Marine Corps Museum in Quantico and had a list of bomb-making materials in his home.

The FBI say Abdul-Latif hoped the attack on the Seattle processing center would inspire other Muslims to carry out similar assaults on enlistment centers. According to the criminal complaint filed Thursday, Mujahidh told FBI agents that he wanted to die a martyr, and said the purpose of the attack was to kill U.S. military personnel so they could not be deployed to Islamic lands.

Abdul-Latif referred admiringly to the 2009 Fort Hood massacre, according to a confidential informant who is quoted in the criminal complaint. Abdul-Latif allegedly said that "if one person could kill so many people, three attackers could kill many more" and that if he was killed in his own attack, his son would be proud he had fought the "non-believers."

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

The fact is the investigation didn't turn up evidence to warrant terror charges. All you have is speculation.
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WIKI
Internal Army reports indicate officers within the Army had discussed what they characterized as Hasan's tendencies toward radical Islam since 2005. Additionally, investigations before and after the shooting discovered e-mail communications between Hasan and Yemen-based cleric Anwar al-Awlaki (ehhh...probably gets lots of emails from lots of people), who quickly declared Hasan a hero, as "fighting against the U.S. army is an Islamic duty".

The U.S. later classified Anwar al-Awlaki as a Specially Designated Global Terrorist, and the UN considered Awlaki to be associated with al-Qaeda (must be pretty bad);

Hasan has expressed admiration for the teachings of Anwar al-Awlaki, imam at the Dar al-Hijrah mosque between 2000 and 2002.[70] As Al-Awlaki was under surveillance, Hasan was investigated by the FBI after intelligence agencies intercepted 18 emails between them between December 2008 and June 2009. In one, Hasan wrote: "I can't wait to join you" in the afterlife.(that's sweet)

Hasan also asked al-Awlaki when jihad is appropriate, and whether it is permissible if innocents are killed in a suicide attack. (did he really have to ask?)



Though Hasan had frequented jihadist web sites promoting radical Islamic views, they said no e-mail communications with outside facilitators or known terrorists were found(except discovered e-mail communications between Hasan and Yemen-based cleric "Specially Designated Global Terrorist" ) . Investigators were evaluating reports that, in 2001, Hasan had attended a mosque in Virginia once attended by two of the 9/11 hijackers and headed by Anwar al-Awlaki (huh...that's a conicidence), who had been accused of aiding the 9/11 plot. Investigators were looking at potential inspiration, to determine if al-Awlaki's teachings could have radicalized Hasan. (no way...c'mon)

No motive for the shootings was offered, but they believed Hasan had authored an Internet posting that appeared to support suicide bombings.(doesn't everyone do this)

He also handed out copies of the Qur'an, along with his business cards which listed a Maryland phone number and read "Behavioral Heatlh [sic] – Mental Health – Life Skills | Nidal Hasan, MD, MPH | SoA(SWT) | Psychiatrist".[76][77] According to investigators, the acronym "SoA" is commonly used on jihadist websites as an acronym for "Soldier of Allah" (that's a nice touch)

Shouting "Allahu Akhbar" as he killed the unarmed. (pretty common I guess)

A Rasmussen national survey found that 65% of Americans favored the death penalty in Hasan's case, and that 60% want the case investigated as an act of terrorism.

WOW...60% Spence...that's like most all Americans in Spence world

[spence]

You should do an understudy with Dougles Feith, you guys seem to share the same passion for conspiracy theories.
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[scottw]

no conspiracy, just facts and more of what we've come to expect from this administration...if Hasan or the others were non-muslim, former military and had something that could be construed to be a "right-wing militia" magazine in their apartment...they'd be "terrorists"....a "lone wolf terrorist"

"And the White House, to avoid offending the Muslim community, has opted for the general term “violent extremism” to describe the threat of Islamic radicalization.
“The administration is understandably apprehensive about identifying Islamist extremism as the primary extremist threat to the United States for fear that the broader Muslim community will take offense,” said terrorism expert Jonathan Kennedy."



In a recent CNN interview, Obama shared:

"The risk that we're especially concerned over right now is the lone wolf terrorist, somebody with a single weapon being able to carry out wide-scale massacres of the sort that we saw in Norway recently. You know, when you have one person who is deranged or driven by a hateful ideology, they can do a lot of damage, and it's a lot harder to trace those lone wolf operators."

and

Acknowledging the threat

U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, in an interview on ABC News last week, said one of the biggest challenges she had seen as DHS secretary, “is movement toward the home-grown violent extremist. The person who, for whatever reason, decides to attack his fellow citizens.
She warned citizens to be vigilant of “the lone actor that we may not know about, who may already be in the United States and so it requires us to be vigilant and the public be vigilant.”

President Obama is relatively unconcerned with violent flash mobs, terrorists sneaking across the open border, homegrown Muslim extremism in the US, Iraqi and Mexican drug rings in California, or guns in the hands of Mexican drug cartels provided by misguided sting operations.

In the 2009 unclassified government report entitled "Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment," the DHS warned that "prolonged economic downturn -- including real estate foreclosures, unemployment, and an inability to obtain credit -- could create a fertile recruiting environment for rightwing extremists." However, to date, exactly zero unemployed pro-life Iraqi war veterans living in foreclosed homes have taken to the streets armed with AK-47s.

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(U) Key Findings

(U//LES) The DHS/Office of Intelligence and Analysis (I&A) has no specific information that domestic rightwing* terrorists are currently planning acts of violence, but rightwing extremists may be gaining new recruits by playing on their fears about several emergent issues. The economic downturn and the election of the first African American president present unique drivers for rightwing radicalization and recruitment.

— (U//LES) Threats from white supremacist and violent antigovernment groups during 2009 have been largely rhetorical and have not indicated plans to carry out violent acts. Nevertheless, the consequences of a prolonged economic downturn—including real estate foreclosures, unemployment, and an inability to obtain credit—could create a fertile recruiting environment for rightwing extremists and even result in confrontations between such groups and government authorities similar to those in the past.

— (U//LES) Rightwing extremists have capitalized on the election of the first African American president, and are focusing their efforts to recruit new members, mobilize existing supporters, and broaden their scope and appeal through propaganda, but they have not yet turned to attack planning.

(U//FOUO) The current economic and political climate has some similarities to the 1990s when rightwing extremism experienced a resurgence fueled largely by an economic recession, criticism about the outsourcing of jobs, and the perceived threat to U.S. power and sovereignty by other foreign powers.

— (U//FOUO) During the 1990s, these issues contributed to the growth in the number of domestic rightwing terrorist and extremist groups and an increase in violent acts targeting government facilities, law enforcement officers, banks, and infrastructure sectors.

— (U//FOUO) Growth of these groups subsided in reaction to increased government scrutiny as a result of the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing and disrupted plots, improvements in the economy, and the continued U.S. standing as the preeminent world power.

(U//FOUO) The possible passage of new restrictions on firearms and the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks.

[scottw]

I wonder if Obama and Napolitano are "especially concerned" about this?



Terrorist Bill Ayers to Teach on Radical Theory at Occupy Harrisburg
November 25, 2011

On October 20th, 2011 the Obama-endorsed Occupy Chicago activists invited unrepentant domestic terrorist turned University of Illinois professor, Bill Ayers, to lead a “teach-in” on the virtues of confrontational tactics. The teaching session was dubbed “non-violent disobedience” in the anti-capitalist revolution.

Bill Ayers told the young leftists about how he met with the North Vietnamese to discuss fomenting revolution in America. The meeting was held on the street in downtown Chicago. The young activists lapped it up.

Occupy Harrisburg invited Ayers to lead a teach in and discussion at the Midtown Scholar Bookstore on December 14th. He is also expected to visit the ongoing Occupation of the State Capitol steps. Ayers, a 1960s radical, was a founding member of the Weather Underground in the 1960s and has admitted helping to bomb official sites, including the U.S Capitol and the Pentagon. In the years since he has earned a PhD and is a former university professor.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

You should do an understudy with Dougles Feith, you guys seem to share the same passion for conspiracy theories.

This isn't about criticism, it's about coordinated attacks.

-spence

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ohhh, right...the Vast RIGHTWING CONSPIRACY

[spence]

The economy still has big problems but I don't think there's any doubt it's slowly getting stronger.

-spence