CHANGE

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

The two numbers are not the same.

One poll asks a very specific question about a tax increase only on people earning over 1 million. There's dramatic support for this.

The other asks a very vague question about support for a "tax hike" which could imply raising taxes for everyone.

The Rasmussen poll doesn't invalidate the NBC/WSJ poll. Rather it provides another perspective at a different point in time.

I do think Obama is correct in asserting that the American people don't support the ideological position that *any* tax increase on anyone is off the table.

-spence

you are so completely full of it....

again...the post that you referred to....
Obama: Public is 'sold' on tax increases in a debt-ceiling deal claiming 80 percent of the public supports Democrats' demand for tax increases.

to which you replied stating that Obama was correct because he cited a poll from Feb. which you say indicated that 80% of Americans favor an increase on a tax on millionaires....and added "I think the number of people who want any tax increase off the table is pretty low."

the poll completely contradicts the Obama headline/statement that you referred to...the Feb poll is outdated irrelevant drivel


55% Oppose Tax Hike In Debt Ceiling Deal
Thursday, July 14, 2011
most voters oppose including tax hikes in the deal.
Just 34% think a tax hike should be included in any legislation to raise the debt ceiling. A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 55% disagree and say it should not.


the "other" question(Rasmussen) was quite specific and included questions to determine how closely the respondents were actually following the debate..


"surely, clearly, obviously"...the reaches in your statements have become monumental

I do think Obama is correct in asserting that the American people don't support the ideological position that *any* tax increase on anyone is off the table.

-spence

you continue to prove that you have no earthly idea of what the "American people" support....and if that statement is all that can be mustered to show Obama is correct about something...*anything*....yikes!!!!

"the American People"...what's that like 80%?...60%?....40%?

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

the poll completely contradicts the Obama headline/statement that you referred to...the Feb poll is outdated irrelevant drivel

I see by this statement you're pretty clueless as to how polling actually works...or you just don't care.

-spence

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

I see by this statement you're pretty clueless as to how polling actually works...or you just don't care.

-spence

got nuthin'...huh...

don't worry Spence...things are really looking up for your HERO

James Pethokoukis writing at Reuters quotes at length from a new report by Goldman Sachs that, he says, dropped an economic bomb on President Obama's chances for reelection." The report offers a doleful estimate for unemployment by election 2012 while advancing the possibility of a double dip recession:

Following another week of weak economic data, we have cut our estimates for real GDP growth in the second and third quarter of 2011 to 1.5% and 2.5%, respectively, from 2% and 3.25%. Our forecasts for Q4 and 2012 are under review, but even excluding any further changes we now expect the unemployment rate to come down only modestly to 8¾% at the end of 2012.

The main reason for the downgrade is that the high-frequency information on overall economic activity has continued to fall substantially short of our expectations.

Pethokoukis concludes:

Goldman Sachs doesn't have to tell you things are bad. I don't have to tell you things are bad.
Everybody knows things are bad. EXCEPT SPENCE
Unemployment is at 9.2 percent (11.4 percent if the official labor force hadn't collapsed since 2008 and 16.2 percent if you include discouraged and underemployed workers.) Moreover, the economy grew at just 1.9 percent in the first quarter of this year and may have grown less than 2 percent in the second. Wages and income are going nowhere fast.

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

got nuthin'...huh...

I've already made my case, you're just ignoring it to focus on other things.

-spence

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Is THIS the change that everyone was hoping for?

Huge deficit-cutting bill sails through GOP House - Yahoo! Finance

We know Spence doesn't have a problem with taxes. He likes paying them

A TRILLION EFFING DOLLARS.

[Chesapeake Bill]

Salty,

I like the idea of higher taxes on those making more...It's the local solution to a national problem...kinda like property tax. We start out taxing those who make 1 million or more...when that does not work we reduce to raising taxes for those making 500K...pretty soon we are taxing more for those who make 50K. I propose we raise taxes for everyone who owns a house or a business. After all, they can afford that so apparently they have money to give to someone else who does not want to work. Perhaps we shoudl start with those who own blue houses...

You said it best...it's all effed up. How about starting the Civil Conservation Corps back up and putting people back to work. Let them fix these crappy roads and sidewalks...

[UserRemoved]

They can have it all.

Originally Posted by Chesapeake Bill

Salty,

I like the idea of higher taxes on those making more...It's the local solution to a national problem...kinda like property tax. We start out taxing those who make 1 million or more...when that does not work we reduce to raising taxes for those making 500K...pretty soon we are taxing more for those who make 50K. I propose we raise taxes for everyone who owns a house or a business. After all, they can afford that so apparently they have money to give to someone else who does not want to work. Perhaps we shoudl start with those who own blue houses...

You said it best...it's all effed up. How about starting the Civil Conservation Corps back up and putting people back to work. Let them fix these crappy roads and sidewalks...

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