Palins Alaska

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by ProfessorM

the only reason she is reaping anything is she is a fairly good looking female. If she was an ugly old bat no one would care.

Professor, the woman came from very modest beginnings. She exposed significant political corruption in her own party, got elected governor, and had the highest approval ratings of any governor in the country. She did amazing things for Alaska's economy.

Before the smear campaign, the people of Alaska loved her...her approval ratings were about double what Obama's are now. Maybe she wasn't Omama's classmate at Harvard. But somewhere along the way, she (unlike Obama) learned a few things, like the fact that you can't spend what you don't have, and that you can't make terrorists like us, so we need to kill them.

How about the fact that she freely chose to give birth to a baby with Downs, knowing all the challenges that brings? Does she get any points with you for that?

And yes, she is hot. Anyone who makes conservatism sexy, in addition to being obviously superior to liberalism, is OK in my book.

Professor, do yourself a favor, and turn off MSNBC for 5 minutes.

When I was in Alaska, I saw alot of cars with this bumper sticker. "Alaska...Coldest state, hottest governor".

And everyone should see Alaska. I have video of my wife and I salmon fishing with brown bears in the water behind her, pulling salmon out of the water (Katmai Nat'l Park). It's a spectacular place.

[Zeno]

Originally Posted by ProfessorM

the only reason she is reaping anything is she is a fairly good looking female. If she was an ugly old bat no one would care.

yeah, Hillary would agree with that statement

[ProfessorM]

Yeah that about seems it up, she is not alone in my makes me want to puke list though, pretty much all politicians make me feel that way. Glad you enjoy following politics, me I'd rather watch grass grow.

[Mr. Sandman]

Pretty amazing women if you ask me. A lot of kids in this country should have a mother (/family) like her.
That said, I think the show is an obvious infomercial trying to inform the public about her life, because up till now the liberal media has told you what they want you to hear. This sort of bypasses them and it pisses them off. (Ie. instead of trying to trap her(and embarrass) with questions she does not have an answer to right off the top of her head in front of a lot of people)

Alaska is a beautiful state that few have seen. She was a good state leader and a person with good values. I think she probably would not make the best president but I would like to see her in a significant role in the federal government.

The media today sucks. They can embarrass anyone to the point of not running. And I think it limits us as a country because great leaders will not step up (or should I say step in?) for the job.

If I had my choice for 2012 it would be Mitt Romney / Bill Frist. These two guys can both lead, and Bill knows the REAL heath care issues better than anyone in the US. But I doubt that this will happen...mainly because of the media.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Mr. Sandman

She was a good state leader

Until she quit halfway through her term to be a celebrity.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Until she quit halfway through her term to be a celebrity.

Now THAT is a valid, legitimate dig against her. I was very disappointed when she quit.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Until she quit halfway through her term to be a celebrity.

bridge to nowhere
pebble while lying to the fishermen saying she supports them

NEVER FORGET!

[Mr. Sandman]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Until she quit halfway through her term to be a celebrity.

You gotta do what you gotta do. She felt that she had to do this to combat the foes aimed solely at personal destruction. Clearly she is going to run in the primary, and this gives her more positive face time than she would have gotten from MSNBC. Besides, she is smart...she is taking advantage of America's insane love of reality shows...she is getting an audience.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Mr. Sandman

You gotta do what you gotta do. She felt that she had to do this to combat the foes aimed solely at personal destruction. Clearly she is going to run in the primary, and this gives her more positive face time than she would have gotten from MSNBC. Besides, she is smart...she is taking advantage of America's insane love of reality shows...she is getting an audience.

I hope she doesn't run. I think the perfect job for her would be head of the Republican National Committee...she gets people excited, she gets people to show up, and for darn sure she raises money.

If she ran today, I think she'd win the primary and lose the general to Obama. If the economy doesn't get worse, I don't think she can beat him. If the economy does what I'm afraid it's going to do (take a big step towards Greece, because inflation can only go up, interest rates can only go up, housing prices can only go down, Israel is about to attack Iran) she will win. If unemployment and mortgage rates are both at 11.5%, and the Dow is at 6,000, she wins.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Mr. Sandman

The media today sucks. They can embarrass anyone to the point of not running. And I think it limits us as a country because great leaders will not step up (or should I say step in?) for the job.

Bingo....there is no truer statement than that

[ProfessorM]

LOL. I have never watched MSNBC before. Don't waste your time trying to debate politics with me. I am sure you are more informed than me. Not a fair fight. I am just a blue collar worker from very modest beginnings plodding along waiting for spring so i can go outside and do what I enjoy. I don't live in Alaska either so I really don't care what she did. Just sick of seeing her face on TV I guess. I did say Alaska in beautiful

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by ProfessorM

LOL. I have never watched MSNBC before. Don't waste your time trying to debate politics with me. I am sure you are more informed than me. Not a fair fight. I am just a blue collar worker from very modest beginnings plodding along waiting for spring so i can go outside and do what I enjoy. I don't live in Alaska either so I really don't care what she did. Just sick of seeing her face on TV I guess. I did say Alaska in beautiful

Before you decide that someone makes you want to puke, maybe you should know a little bit about her.

If I had a kid with Downs to take care of, and I knew that kid would need care after I was gone, and someone offered me 50 grand to make an appearance on TV, you bet I'd do it. If someone offered me a fe wmillion to write a book, I'd do it. If someone offered me a couple of million to do that show, I'd do it in a nanosecond. Wouldn't you? If so, you shouldn't criticize her.

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by ProfessorM

LOL. I have never watched MSNBC before. Don't waste your time trying to debate politics with me. I am sure you are more informed than me. Not a fair fight. I am just a blue collar worker from very modest beginnings plodding along waiting for spring so i can go outside and do what I enjoy. I don't live in Alaska either so I really don't care what she did. Just sick of seeing her face on TV I guess. I did say Alaska in beautiful

Professor, you shouldn't be watching tv anyways. You should get back to building some more of those awesome plugs you make. Plugfest is coming up and I'm looking forward to seeing some beauties from you.

[RIJIMMY]

Prof M has no skin in this game. He is an innocent bystander that really cant stand Palin from the surface

[ProfessorM]

I said she makes me want to puke not that I hated her, I don't really hate anyone, well Yankee fans are pretty close. You are probably a Yankee fan right? Oh boy I guess I am off your xmas list. TBO I really don't have an educated opinion on her politics. I don't follow politics and offered my opinion on vomiting not even considering her political affiliation. I personally have just seen enough of her. If I want to see Alaska I'll watch the Nat Geo channel. I tried to watch an episode and I couldn't make it thru the whole thing. She ruined it for me. That is why I said what i said. For the record i 'm not an Oprah or Whoppie fan either. I am entitled to my opinion as you are. I guess this is why I never get involved with these type of discussion's on line. 2 people with different feelings. Let it be that . You don't have to sell me on her. I don't dislike you because you feel that way. Your probably a great guy. I don't really care to know anything about her. Good for her for overcoming all her obstacles in life and being a great governor. I am just sick of seeing her on the TV, along with Lindsey Lowhan, Justin Beiber, Dr. Phil, Oprah, . Just not in to self promoting people I guess.

[ProfessorM]

LOL. I just got caught with my foot in my mouth again, won't be the last time either. The gentleman felt like he had to come to her defense for reasons I did not think about when I made my puke editorial. He had his say and I had mine. As far as the political aspect of this discussion goes, which I never considered, send it to the forum that I never venture too and you guys can beat it to death with fellow fisherman that are way more informed than I . It will much more challenging and you will have a much better time than sparing with a dim wit like me. I think i'll go look at Katy Perry's breast's again. Happy Holiday's.

[Adam_777]

Ever since she passed the bill to dump the toxic waste in one of the Alaskan lakes and claimed it would be better for the fisheries I hate her and always will.If I did manage took get up in that.Donkey punch for sure.Maybe twice.Everything that she says is a lie and this is all a big show leading up to something bigger.Look at the wall and read the damn writing.I'd rather watch anyone else explore Alaska and all it has to offer.Even though if they could they would separate from the US if they had a say.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Adam_777

Ever since she passed the bill to dump the toxic waste in one of the Alaskan lakes and claimed it would be better for the fisheries I hate her and always will.If I did manage took get up in that.Donkey punch for sure.Maybe twice.Everything that she says is a lie and this is all a big show leading up to something bigger.Look at the wall and read the damn writing.I'd rather watch anyone else explore Alaska and all it has to offer.Even though if they could they would separate from the US if they had a say.

But she went fishing!

Such a scam artist.

Puck Febble.

[Fly Rod]

Originally Posted by Adam_777

Ever since she passed the bill to dump the toxic waste in one of the Alaskan lakes and claimed it would be better for the fisheries I hate her and always will.If I did manage took get up in that.Donkey punch for sure.Maybe twice.Everything that she says is a lie and this is all a big show leading up to something bigger.Look at the wall and read the damn writing.I'd rather watch anyone else explore Alaska and all it has to offer.Even though if they could they would separate from the US if they had a say.

It was the Army Corp of Engineers that approved the dumping of mining debris into Slate Lake in Alaska, "not Sarah Palin."

First of all you should hate the Bush Administration, it was his administration that re-defined mining debris in2002 including toxic mining waste as fill. The word "Fill" took away disposal decisions from the Environmental Protection Agency to the Army Corp of Engineers. And when the Supreme Court weighed in they ruled in favor of the Corp. This ruling also cleared the way for mountain top mining in the Appalachian states.

And on another note, the person you helped to become your president does not have any better credentials then Palin.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

And on another note, the person you helped to become your president does not have any better credentials then Palin.

Aside from the legal qualification, which they both meet/met, the rest is highly subjective.

I think their political careers are somewhat of a wash. Palin gets a few points for limited executive experience as Gov, but there's not much beyond that. Obama has more years in the US Senate and IL House, but without much of note.

Academically Palin's a dud while Obama enjoys a very impressive resume.

Ultimately though, people are looking for vision, intellect and integrity.

Ideology aside, even in 2008 it was clear that Palin hadn't really put much thought into how the world works and we never got much out of her other than snarky quips. Obama by contrast could discuss policy issues at length and demonstrated the intellectual curiosity that indicated a lot more substance.

So I'd argue that Obama's credentials were really much better. The proof is in the putting...Obama is POTUS and Palin is on reality TV.

God help the GOP if they can't put her in a box come 2012. Republicans need to get back to leadership and legislation and off this pundit led bender they've been on for the past 15 years. When Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin are the thought leadership of your party you've got problems.

-spence

[scottw]

funny how so many Obama voters feel the need to tell the GOP how to be successful

in "reality"...Obama's a dud

[Fly Rod]

Originally Posted by spence

Academically Palin's a dud while Obama enjoys a very impressive resume.-spence

Remember the medical student that went to Harvard, he was not to intelligent.

Agreed. He may be of higher learning and comes from Harvard, does not make him highly intelligent, after all, he needs to use a telepromter, she does not, she does not have to keep putting her head to the podium to read someone else's script either.

The bottom line: I would rather find her pocketbook then his wallet.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

Agreed. He may be of higher learning and comes from Harvard, does not make him highly intelligent, after all, he needs to use a telepromter, she does not, she does not have to keep putting her head to the podium to read someone else's script either.

Obama speaks quite often and quite well on his own. Perhaps there's a dependence or desire for highly refined messages that's distracting...I think that's a reasonable criticism, but to cite it as an intelligence issue doesn't make a lot of sense. There's just too much evidence to the contrary.

Palin of course rarely speaks in sentences longer than will fit on a Tweet, and when in doubt will write secret notes on her hand for reference...what was it again? Energy, Budget Cut, Tax and Lift American Spirits? Man...she much really be speaking from the heart...

-spence

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Aside from the legal qualification, which they both meet/met, the rest is highly subjective.

I think their political careers are somewhat of a wash. Palin gets a few points for limited executive experience as Gov, but there's not much beyond that. Obama has more years in the US Senate and IL House, but without much of note.

Academically Palin's a dud while Obama enjoys a very impressive resume.

Ultimately though, people are looking for vision, intellect and integrity.

Ideology aside, even in 2008 it was clear that Palin hadn't really put much thought into how the world works and we never got much out of her other than snarky quips. Obama by contrast could discuss policy issues at length and demonstrated the intellectual curiosity that indicated a lot more substance.

So I'd argue that Obama's credentials were really much better. The proof is in the putting...Obama is POTUS and Palin is on reality TV.

God help the GOP if they can't put her in a box come 2012. Republicans need to get back to leadership and legislation and off this pundit led bender they've been on for the past 15 years. When Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin are the thought leadership of your party you've got problems.

-spence

Oh, please, Spence...

"I think their political careers are somewhat of a wash. Palin gets a few points for limited executive experience as Gov, but there's not much beyond that."

At the time Obama announced he was running, he had served one half of one term as a US Senator, and in that time, he had done nothing significant. Nothing. You go ahead, and tell us what significant legislagtion Obama authored from 2004-2007.

At the time Palin was picked as VP, she had the highest approval ratings of any governor in the country, which means she was the very best governor in the country. She had exposed significant political corruption in her own party, she lowered taxes, balanced the budget, and got the oil companies to give her citizens a fortune in profit sharing. What did Obama do from 2004-2007 that's better than that?

"Academically Palin's a dud while Obama enjoys a very impressive resume"

Palin has a Bachelors degree from, I think, the University Of Iowa? Obama wwent to Harvard. Bush 43 also went to Harvard, and that didn't keep liberals from claiming he's an idiot, so obviously one's alma mater doesn't necessarily correlate with intelligence. Furthermore, you don't know Obama'a acadmic resume, because unlike most presidents, he refused to make his transcripts public.

"people are looking for vision, intellect and integrity."

Integrity? How about sitting in Rev Wright's church for 20 years, and listening to that racist, anti-American bile? Or Obama admitting that although he didn't know what happened, "it's fair to say the Cambridge police acted stupidly".

More on integrity...as a state senator, Obama actually supported the right of a mother to have her baby killed, after tha baby was born and outside the womb (look up the Born Alive Infants Protection Act, as I am not kidding or exaggerating). Palin, on the other hand, feels that even babies with Down Syndrome deserve to live.

Obama is more slick, more smooth, and more presidential in personna. Palin is a regular American with values that are more reflective of this nation, which like it or not, is center-right.

"Obama by contrast could discuss policy issues at length"

Right. Like his opposition to the surge in Iraq, which everyone but Obama adnmits was a spectacular success.

Put down the Kool Aid for one second please, and look at things objectively.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

More on integrity...as a state senator, Obama actually supported the right of a mother to have her baby killed, after tha baby was born and outside the womb (look up the Born Alive Infants Protection Act, as I am not kidding or exaggerating). Palin, on the other hand, feels that even babies with Down Syndrome deserve to live.

He'll put down the kool-aid after you stop regurgitating like a booby with a newborn chick glenn beck bs.

Obama Facing Attacks From All Sides Over Abortion Record - August 18, 2008 - The New York Sun

[MarshCappa]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Bush 43 also went to Harvard, and that didn't keep liberals from claiming he's an idiot, so obviously one's alma mater doesn't necessarily correlate with intelligence. .

Didn't he go to Yale and almost flunk out?

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

and got the oil companies to give her citizens a fortune in profit sharing.

so you support socialist agendas?

also she promised the oil companies the north slope and ANWR.
too bad that didn't work out for them.


you don't get something for nothing.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by spence

Obama by contrast could discuss policy issues at length and demonstrated the intellectual curiosity that indicated a lot more substance.


-spence

Is this the same guy that many said, "if only he had articulated and explained
his programs better to the American People ,he wouldn't have taken the shellacking?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by justplugit

Is this the same guy that many said, "if only he had articulated and explained
his programs better to the American People ,he wouldn't have taken the shellacking?

Exactly. Obama is touted as this brilliant and effective orator, the best speaker since Churchill. Yet those same folks say that the only reason that the GOP won big last month is because Obama didn't clearly tell us why his agenda is what's best for us.

This is a great example of why I say that liberalism is a mental disorder. Obama's supporters don't see any contradiction in what you pointed out, they really don't.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

. Obama by contrast could discuss policy issues at length ...

OK, so here Spence says that Obama is more qualified to be Prez than Palin because he can speak more intelligently on the issues. That sounds reasonable, right?

But here is what Spence said recently about the GOP's victory last month...and I quote directly...

"independents frustrated with Obama's inability to clearly articulate the value of his policies. "

Which is it Spence? Is he someone who can speak eloquently and brilliantly on the political issues? Or is he someone who cannot effectively explain political issues to tens of millions of Americans?

Spence, you are one of those folks who have no limit to how far backwards you will bend over to make up excuses for this guy. He's never wrong, and nothing is ever his fault.