Fed's to make your car payments

[Cool Beans]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

yup

Also, think of this. Why would ANYONE qualified to make change and take big business risks join GM? What superstar would want the job?So that if they are successful and receive compensation to match their success they will be publicly flogged by the congress? The reaction to the AIG bonuses has put a serious bruise on the credibility of the government. Many qualified and intelligent people will not be signing up to work for any companies tied to the government.

I've got a retarded Uncle, that is looking for work....
He voted for Obama too.

That's 2 out of the 3 things they are looking for.

Now if I can only teach him to read a teleprompter (to hold press conferences and say its all his fault) he may have a future at GM.

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by Cool Beans

I've got a retarded Uncle, that is looking for work....
He voted for Obama too.

That's 2 out of the 3 things they are looking for.

Now if I can only teach him to read a teleprompter (to hold press conferences and say its all his fault) he may have a future at GM.

wow, that made me laugh out loud. Too funny

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

yup

Also, think of this. Why would ANYONE qualified to make change and take big business risks join GM? What superstar would want the job?So that if they are successful and receive compensation to match their success they will be publicly flogged by the congress? The reaction to the AIG bonuses has put a serious bruise on the credibility of the government. Many qualified and intelligent people will not be signing up to work for any companies tied to the government.

Good. They're going to fail anyway. Hopefully the government realizes this sooner than later before too much money is completely wasted. The last thing we need is a subsidized automaker in similar shoes as Amtrack - wasting money with no regard and not improving the product or efficiencies because the government will just give is more money anyway.

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Good. They're going to fail anyway. Hopefully the government realizes this sooner than later before too much money is completely wasted. The last thing we need is a subsidized automaker in similar shoes as Amtrack - wasting money with no regard and not improving the product or efficiencies because the government will just give is more money anyway.

so Johnny, just to be clear, if GM fails, Obama does too. Its his gamble he has chosen to make - to support GM.
Sounds "Limbaugh-ish" of you to want Obama to fail.

[Raider Ronnie]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

toyota succeeds because of the mastery of lean processing. Constant process improvement, measuring progress, correcting measures is ingrained in their culture.

Also,
Toyota suceeds because they make a GREAT product !!!
GM has been making crap for decades !
Chrysler ever worse crap !
Ford of the big 3 has made the best quality of the 3, but would also be hurting if not for all the trucks and Crown Vics (police, taxis, govt cars.....) sold !

[Squid kids Dad]

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

Also,
Toyota suceeds because they make a GREAT product !!!
GM has been making crap for decades !
Chrysler ever worse crap !
Ford of the big 3 has made the best quality of the 3, but would also be hurting if not for all the trucks and Crown Vics (police, taxis, govt cars.....) sold !

I agree completly...And pretty soon there will be no more crown vics for taxis at least in Mass..They are being faced out for hybrids

[buckman]

The Union's tried to get in to the Toyota plants. Toyota factory workers didn't want them in. Without Union dues, they actually make more then American auto workers.

[RIJIMMY]

look at Toyota's expansion into the truck market.

[JohnnyD]

My line of work brings me in contact with multiple different Unions, in multiple industries throughout the country. I've also worked for 2-3 different unions when I was younger.

Almost every single encounter I have had with Unions has left a sour taste in my mouth - and we're talking dozens of different Unions. I've had to encounter them as a customer, as a mutual vendor and as a supplier. Expenses are always 2-3x higher when a Union is involved, it is impossible to ask for specifics in terms of skill and the rules and limitations make them difficult to work with.

When I word in a Union, there was no point in which I felt any job security. I hated the mentality of Us vs. Them (them being the employer) and how can we bleed the employer for all we can get. Never did the Union stand up for an employee that was wrongly fired.

The Toyota plants have to keep wages up to stay competitive. People are stupid, they don't realized that even though Joe at GM is making $5/hr more that the extra money goes to union dues.

[TheSpecialist]

People are stupid, they don't realized that even though Joe at GM is making $5/hr more that the extra money goes to union dues.

How do you know how much their union dues are? Mine are only 19 and some change per week.

Never did the Union stand up for an employee that was wrongly fired.

I am not sure of the specifics of you case, but we have gotten many wrongly accused employees their jobs back.

Cool beans, I am aware you lived in Japan, and have a Japanese wife, however did you ever work at the Toyota plant? There is very extensive info on the net about a Japanese woman who husband worked at Toyota. He was given someone else's work to do in addition to his own after someone was let go. He dropped dead of a coronary at 40 years old. He work 14-17 hrs per day. Because of this woman there was a push for laws limiting employers from taking advantage of employees.

As far as someone getting hurt on the job by their own actions, these are accidents, and you should not lose your job because you had an accident, unless you physically can't do it anymore. I am sorry you feel that way Johnny, and I am glad I do not work for you.

[TheSpecialist]

The people at Toyota USA are treated and payed far differantly than Toyota Japan. The us plants have wages that are almost on par with the Union autoworkers, this helps keep the unions out. What it does for the manufacturer is allow them to arbitrarily adjust wages. For instance in their new plant they will be pay 3-5 dollars an hour less than the Kentucky plant for the same jobs. They will also be cutting wages at the Kentucky plant, the reasoning will be that the UAW took concessions so you guy will too. There are no negotiations because there is no representation. There is plenty of research that shows when union workers are doing well, it helps drive up the wages of nonunion workers doing similar jobs.

I have worked both sides of the fence union, and nonunion. At the nonunion employer whenever there was a serious threat of unionization the employer gave everyone $1.50/hr raise. This happened 2 times in the six years I was there. Also we worked our asses off at the nonunion job, often times safe practices were not followed, and injuries were the norm. The straw that broke the camels back for me was being passed over for a promotion. The promotion required the passing of a technical exam. I not only passed this exam, but was the first person to get every question correct on the written, and oral tests no one had ever done that before or since. I was assured that one of the two positions was mine. I was then passed over by someone who did poorly on the test, had less time in the company, and was a different skin color than I was. I was told by the foreman that this was pushed by HR. I left, got a better job that is union and have not looked back. Most of the guys at the previous job are all gone because of the high rate of attrition. Many that are left make 3-4 dollars an hour more than they did 14 years ago, while I make 3 times what they make.

As far as the perception that union workers are lazy, a few bad apples should not spoil it for the rest, not all are lazy, and many are very hard working.