Palin's speach

[Joe]

Would globalization not have happened without NAFTA or was it an unstoppable market force? I wish it did not happen and we retained those jobs, but that's an unreality.
I worked at a place where outsourcing and technology was taking jobs away from people doing the work I did. The writing was on the wall (for years)that it was only a matter of time.
Some people took classes, started side businesses, or learned new skills so they had options, but I was surprised that most of my co-workers passively waited for the pink slip.

[RIJIMMY]

Spence,

On MSNBC - a day or so ago, the headline read. Palin supports Nazi Sympathizer.
Its the job of the Press to INVESTIGATE, not just report. So, that Nazi synpathizer, its Pat Buchanan. Do you know who employs Pat Buchanan? MSNBC @!@!@@!!!! So why didnt they note that? MSNBC Hires Nazi sympathizers???? Its all about getting jabs in on headlines without any backing. Its nuts.

Everyone says teh Wright controversy is over, go to the website of the Trinity Church Obama was a member of for 20 years, look at their bookstore -
http://www.tucc.org/store/index.cfm
whats their featured item - A Black Liberation of Thelogy

What to know a few things about Black Liberation Theology?
Here are a few quotes -
All white men are responsible for white oppression. It is much too easy to say, "Racism is not my fault," or "I am not responsible for the country's inhumanity to the black man..
The demonic forces of racism are real for the black man. Theologically, Malcolm X was not far wrong when he called the white man "the devil."

So Obama attends a BLACK church (read their mission, its black focused) their bookstore sells and FEATURES books that spew hatred and divisive racism. FACts boys, the link is right there! Im not Karl Rove, Im not Rush Limbaugh. This his his church. Can you EVEN imagine if McCain or Palin's church believed this garbage or preached this about white peope????
You all are freakin becasue she mentions Our souldiers are doing God's task. And yet you have no issue with Obamas faith? No concerns?????????

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

Spence,

On MSNBC - a day or so ago, the headline read. Palin supports Nazi Sympathizer.
Its the job of the Press to INVESTIGATE, not just report. So, that Nazi synpathizer, its Pat Buchanan. Do you know who employs Pat Buchanan? MSNBC @!@!@@!!!! So why didnt they note that? MSNBC Hires Nazi sympathizers???? Its all about getting jabs in on headlines without any backing. Its nuts.

I didn't see the headline so I don't know the real context.

But looking at the actual article on MSNBC.com it's clearly not favorable of Obama...

Still, the Miami Herald this week quoted an e-mail from Obama Florida spokesman Mark Bubriski that stated: "Palin was a supporter of Pat Buchanan, a right-winger or as many Jews call him: a Nazi sympathizer."

Now before anyone goes off, there's a pretty vocal community that belives Pat Buchanan is a big anti-semite.

And regarding your second post, it's clear Obama joined that church as he was doing community work and it was the center of the community he was trying to help. Just because he attended for many years, doesn't mean he's a believer in black liberation theology. I've never read anything that would indicate this is the case either.

-spence

[RIJIMMY]

you could vote for a president of the united states that has even the slightest influence by this?
The Goals Of Black Liberal Theology — Dr. Robert A. Morley, an internationally recognized scholar in the fields of theology and apologetics.

“l.The goals of BT are to turn religion into sociology, Christianity into a political agenda, Jesus into a black Marxist rebel, and the gospel into violent revolution. They are more interested in politics than preaching the gospel.

“III. The Methodology of Black Liberal Theology

“The main method employed by BT is to manipulate embittered young blacks by turning their feelings of inferiority, alienation, jealousy, hopelessness and self-hate, into racist rage against whites, Orientals and affluent blacks who are conveniently blamed for their lack of personal initiative to better their lot in life.

“IV. The Main Philosophic Error of Black Liberal Theology

“BT is based upon the philosophic error of relativism in which ‘Jesus’ is viewed as only a religious symbol which can be interpreted anyway they want. Thus it does not matter who and what the historical Jesus really was. BT invented a black Marxist Jesus to lead the way to violent revolution because such a ‘Jesus’ will serve their purpose. BT is condemned in II Cor. 11:4 and Gal. 1:8-9.

Doesnt this echo Wrights comments? The facts are there Obama supporters, there is his church, the link to Liberation Theology. Has anyone of the press asked Obama if he believes in BLT? You cannot deny its influence on his church. And you guys think Palin is a religious wacko, but then again, the press isnt telling you otherwise,,,,,

[RIJIMMY]

yet, you posted a thread Palin - be Afraid becasue she said to pray for our soliders and that they are doing God's task?
Who has more expoure to religious wack-jobs - Obama or Palin? I am way more afraid of OBamas church. Check the facts on their website! Facts are not on the Huffington Post - thats a lib site. Go to the source.

[RIJIMMY]

more FACTS -
dont go on about Hannity, look at Wrights response. he was THE PASTOR AT OBAMAS CHURCH, MARRIED HIM, BAPTISED HIS KIDS and you're worred about Palin????

WRIGHT: The black value system, which was developed by the congregation, by laypersons of the congregation, 26 years ago, very similar to the gospel (INAUDIBLE) developed by laypersons in Nicaragua during the whole liberation theology movement, 26, 28, 30 years ago, yes.

HANNITY: All right, but we're not dealing with — this is on the Web site today. Let me just inform our audience, and I want you to respond, if you can.

It says, "Commitment to God." By the way, I'm with you, and I hope you'll pray for me, Reverend. Commitment to the black community, commitment to the black family, adherence to the black work ethic. It goes on, pledge, you know, acquired skills available to the black community, strengthening and supporting black institutions, pledging allegiance to all black leadership who have embraced the black value system, personal commitment to the embracement of the black value system.

Now, Reverend, if every time we said black, if there was a church and those words were white, wouldn't we call that church racist?

WRIGHT: No, we would call it Christianity. We've been saying that since there was a white Christianity; we've been saying that ever since white Christians took part in the slave trade; we've been saying that ever since they had churches in slave castles.

We don't have to say the word "white." We just have to live in white America, the United States of white America. That's not the issue; you're missing the issue.

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

yet, you posted a thread Palin - be Afraid becasue she said to pray for our soliders and that they are doing God's task?
Who has more expoure to religious wack-jobs - Obama or Palin? I am way more afraid of OBamas church. Check the facts on their website! Facts are not on the Huffington Post - thats a lib site. Go to the source.

I'm more afraid of someone who may think they have instruction from god to kill people, than someone who believes they have instruction from god to not kill people.

-spence

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by spence

I'm more afraid of someone who may think they have instruction from god to kill people, than someone who believes they have instruction from god to not kill people.

-spence

I guess thats a wacky interpretation of what she said. I would think the task (now) is to assist the Iraquis in securing their nation so that there can be peace and stability.

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

I guess thats a wacky interpretation of what she said. I would think the task (now) is to assist the Iraquis in securing their nation so that there can be peace and stability.

Ok, that's just spin...

-spence

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by spence

Ok, that's just spin...

-spence

Huh? The task of our military = kill people?

thats what they're doing right now?

[Nebe]

Didn't Charles Manson say god told him to kill?

[Joe]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Didn't Charles Manson say god told him to kill?

Charlie also said, "'The fact of the matter is, I'm Jesus Christ, whether you chose to believe that or not is up to you."
I would have found that more profound had he not tattooed a swastika on his own forehead. But, alas, madmen, they're so impetuous.

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by Joe

Charlie also said, "'The fact of the matter is, I'm Jesus Christ, whether you chose to believe that or not is up to you."
I would have found that more profound had he not tattooed a swastika on his own forehead. But, alas, madmen, they're so impetuous.

rumor has it it was Buchanan that did the tattoo

[Joe]

Yeah, he got G. Gordon Liddy to hold him down. You've read "Will," I assume, Liddy admired the Nazis a great deal. Those Nixon staffers - what a fun bunch!

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by Joe

Charlie also said, "'The fact of the matter is, I'm Jesus Christ, whether you chose to believe that or not is up to you."
I would have found that more profound had he not tattooed a swastika on his own forehead. But, alas, madmen, they're so impetuous.

Another, albeit lesser known quote attributed to Manson is "real men use conventional reels - spinning reels are for sissies".

[The Dad Fisherman]

No...it was the Beatles.

[Nebe]

hA!

[RIJIMMY]

I thought this is what we want our troops to do? Isnt this the 'task"

BAGHDAD - The U.S. military handed over security control of the Iraqi province of Anbar to local forces on Monday, although a top U.S. commander said the drawdown of Marines in the former insurgent flashpoint would be gradual.

The province was once a locus of the Sunni Arab insurgency, and the scene of some of the bloodiest battles of the Iraq war.

The handover marks a major milestone in America’s strategy of turning security over to the Iraqis so U.S. troops can eventually go home.

[spence]

Spin, spin, spin, spin...

-spence

[RIJIMMY]

you're a pretty lousy McCain supporter.

Why dont you just come out of the closet now, expose your pink panties and join Obama?

Change you can believe in!

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

you're a pretty lousy McCain supporter.

Why dont you just come out of the closet now, expose your pink panties and join Obama?

Change you can believe in!

Because I don't particularly like Barak Obama. Biden I like, but Barak not so much.

-spence

[RIJIMMY]

ouch, thats sad just on a personal note.
So how is that the guy that will get our economy back on track?

[fishbones]

I read that his net worth was somewhere between $150K - $360K. That figure could be wrong, though. If he's making almost 200K a year and his net worth is that low, I'm a little concerned for him.

I'm not bashing the guy at all (except for earlier with the plagerism thing). I'm just trying to point out that to most Americans, he's not going to be a sympathetic figure because he's not a multi millionaire.

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by fishbones

I read that his net worth was somewhere between $150K - $360K. That figure could be wrong, though. If he's making almost 200K a year and his net worth is that low, I'm a little concerned for him.

I'm not bashing the guy at all (except for earlier with the plagerism thing). I'm just trying to point out that to most Americans, he's not going to be a sympathetic figure because he's not a multi millionaire.

do senators have a pension? 401k? I would think after 30yrs he racked something up?

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

do senators have a pension? 401k? I would think after 30yrs he racked something up?

It's possible they only factored in more liquid assets? I didn't read the entire piece to see if they included the process they used to calculate.

-spence