Biden as VP

[RIROCKHOUND]

Yeah, we are all mindless bush haters because it is cool.
Bush and McCain are very similar on most issues, so to think we won't have a very similar administration is silly. I respect McCain as a person and soldier. period. I happen to disagree with most of his policies, so I can't vote for him.

Do I respect the job? yes. Do I respect bush? Not nearly as much as most others who have held that post in my lifetime. I never have claimed to think I could do the job. period. I don't think anyone else here has.

I don't respect the policies, and position Bush has put the country in, and frankly I think that regardless of who is elected the Bush administration is leaving the next team a pretty big pile of problems.

[RIJIMMY]

one thing to add, Romney is an extremely succesful business man and strategist. As the economy is a top issue, he is really the only person that has an edge on this. Obama, McCain, Biden, are lawyers and career politicians. Romney was self made and is a squeaky clean family man. I think in the VP debates he would destoy Biden.

[RIJIMMY]

a little more on what Romney brings to the ticket, remember, teh economy is NUMBER 1 on the biggest issues right now for voters......
1.In 1975, Romney graduated from a joint Juris Doctor/Master of Business Administration program coordinated between Harvard Law School and Harvard Business School. He graduated cum laude from the law school and was named a Baker Scholar for graduating in the top five percent of his business school class
2. Romney left Bain & Company to co-found a spin-off private equity investment firm, Bain Capital.During the 14 years he headed the company, Bain Capital's average annual internal rate of return on realized investments was 113 percent, making money primarily through leveraged buyouts
3. In 1990, Romney was asked to return to Bain & Company, which was facing financial collapse. As CEO, Romney managed an effort to restructure the firm's employee stock-ownership plan, real-estate deals and bank loans, while increasing fiscal transparency. Within a year, he had led Bain & Company through a highly successful turnaround and returned the firm to profitability without layoffs or partner defections
4.Romney served as president and CEO of the 2002 Olympic Winter Games held in Salt Lake City. In 1999, before Romney was hired, the event was running $379 million short of its revenue benchmarks. Plans were being made to scale back the games in order to compensate for the fiscal crisis.[On February 11, 1999, Romney was hired as the new president and CEO of the Salt Lake Organizing Committee.Romney revamped the organization's leadership and policies, reduced budgets and boosted fundraising. He also worked to ensure the safety of the Games following the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 by coordinating a $300 million security budget. Despite the initial fiscal shortfall, the Games ended up clearing a profit of $100 million, not counting the $224.5 million in

Pretty impressive, and this has nothing to do with political crap, these are results delivered by Romney. Not sitting on committees. remember, Senators dont lead, they represent. Very different skill sets, you can't deny Romney is a great leader, he produces results.

[RIROCKHOUND]

I have no defense for the Obama comment Jim. I do believe he has the forethought to surround himself with intelligent people with experience. But I do not think 1 run on the foreign relations commitee counts either. I'm not a sheep, I do realize he has flaws as a candidate and as a president! My first choice was Richardson in the earliest campaigns.

I think GWB surrounded himself primarily with people who agreed with (and in some cases pushed) their interests and ideals. I don't see that happening with B.O.,

As far as holding Biden responsible, he did vote for the war. I'm not crazy about that. I like the fact that he is opinionated, experienced and has enough backbone to no just toe the company line.

[RIJIMMY]

Bidens background - He has been in the Senate since he was 30....career politician, sounds like the same old government Obama is running against?
In 1969, Biden began practicing law in Wilmington, Delaware, and was soon elected to the New Castle County, County Council, where he served from 1970 to 1972.

The 1972 U.S. Senate election presented Biden with a unique opportunity. Popular Republican incumbent Senator J. Caleb Boggs was considering retirement, which would likely have left U.S. Representative Pete du Pont and Wilmington Mayor Harry G. Haskell, Jr. in a divisive primary fight. To avoid that, U.S. President Richard M. Nixon was invited to a meeting to convince Boggs to run again with full Republican support. Boggs ran, but Biden eventually won


whats Bidens take on Iraq? nothing too radical here....sounds a little like McCain?
Following the September 11, 2001 attacks, Biden was supportive of the Bush administration's efforts, calling for additional ground troops in Afghanistan and agreeing that Saddam Hussein was a threat that needed to be dealt with.[22] The Bush administration rejected an effort Biden undertook with Senator Richard Lugar to pass a resolution authorizing military action only after the exhaustion of diplomatic efforts. In October 2002, Biden voted for the final resolution to support the War in Iraq. He has long supported the appropriations to pay for the occupation, but has argued repeatedly that more soldiers are needed, the war should be internationalized, and the Bush administration should "level with the American people" about the cost and length of the conflict.[23]

Biden is a leading advocate for partitioning Iraq.[24] In November 2006, Biden and Leslie Gelb, President Emeritus of the Council on Foreign Relations, released a comprehensive strategy to end sectarian violence in Iraq. Rather than continuing the present approach or withdrawing, the plan calls for "a third way": federalizing Iraq and giving Kurds, Shiites, and Sunnis "breathing room" in their own regions.[25] Senior military planners cautioned that a partition policy would require American military presence of 75,000 to 100,000 troops for years to come.[24]

[stripersnipr]

Yes! We can!

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Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Yes! We can!

Do you think change is necessary?

-spence

[Joe]

Der Fuher saw the English people as Aryans, it's all there in Mein Kampf, man.

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by Joe

Der Fuher saw the English people as Aryans, it's all there in Mein Kampf, man.

true. Hitler was after the Russians. How awesome would it have been for the "good" guys if Hitler and Stalin destroyed each other for a few years?

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by spence

Do you think change is necessary?

-spence

Change to what, from what?

One thing I know for certain is I will never, ever seek "inspiration" from a politician.

[Bronko]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Change to what, from what?

One thing I know for certain is I will never, ever seek "inspiration" from a politician.

They don't care. They just want change, be it blind, reckless, uniformed, experimental....

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Originally Posted by Bronko

They don't care. They just want change, be it blind, reckless, uniformed, experimental....

I think that's exactly the point...

The leading conservative voices have become so focused on hating progressive policy that they have convinced themselves that the present trajectory of the USA is sound.

Any big picture problems that may ultimately require a Government backed long-term solution (and regulation) are instantly labeled "non-issues" because they can't reconcile reality with their idiology.

Instead, the "free market" is tasked with solving global challenges...and in return we get solutions to problems that are singularly focused on delivering short-term shareholder value.

This planet has big problems in terms of energy, climate and natural resources. Business as usual is very likely going to mean the death of the American dream this century, unless things change.

So before you identify the right change, you first must accept that things do indeed need to change.

Otherwise you're just going to spin your wheels.

-spence

[Nebe]

yeah.. that would have been awesome... Millions of more..... DEAD..

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by Nebe

yeah.. that would have been awesome... Millions of more..... DEAD..

wrong.
Hitler did fight Stalin. Russia did 20X more to defeat Germany WHat it would have avoided is France, England, India, Australia,Canada and the US involvemnet in the War.
Nebe, everyone says the good guys won World War II. The reason is, no one asks Poland, The Balkans, Czeckoslavakia, etc. They were free countries prior to WWII, post WWII they were under the iron curtain where the horrors of Hitler were still practiced in secret. Stalin was just as bad as Hitler. Post WWII, Stalin gained more land than anyone. So who won?
The point is WWII costs the lives of 55 million people. Was it all just to defeat Hitler? Makes no sense. It was because of bad moves by England and France which created a path to a World War.
To Flap point above, Churchill could sleep easy once teh US joined teh War, same deal as WWI. Once we joined, Gremany knew there was NO way they could win, so what happened next. The Final Solution - extermination of teh Jews. Hitlers strategy was initially to drive the Jews out, but after the US joined, in desperation, we had the Holocasut. Its not to far fetched to say the Holocaust could have been avoided if England stayed out of the War. Food for thought

[RIJIMMY]

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A Senate Bill to recognize that the Surge has "worked".

I know the Dems have done similarly dumb things, but this is really stupid.

-spence

[RIJIMMY]

I think its just a ploy to corner Obama.

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Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

I think its just a ploy to corner Obama.

Ummm, duh

-spence

[RIJIMMY]

just saying.....jeez

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

just saying.....jeez

You'll get no quarter from me bub

Next we'll see a Senate resolution stating that "We have respect and honor for our fallen troops, and that the Iraq war was a brilliantly executed and fantastic idea and George Bush is wonderful".

-spence

[RIJIMMY]

now now, this ad was to benefit your guy.
Bush is past history