didn't take long

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

You are entitled to your opinion, but row wade proved your opinion isn’t held by the majority, so that argument is a fail.

complete, cowardly dodge.

You said it's about enslaving women, It's not. And you know it.


"row wade proved your opinion isn’t held by the majority"

What in Gods name are you talking about? Roe wasn't decided by a national referendum. It was decided by 9 unelected judges.

And I completely agree that my position isn't a majority. Being unpopular, and being a failure, aren't exactly the same thing.

Anyway, I tried to engage you like an adult, but you dodged because I had a valid point.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

complete, cowardly dodge.

You said it's about enslaving women, It's not. And you know it.


"row wade proved your opinion isn’t held by the majority"

What in Gods name are you talking about? Roe wasn't decided by a national referendum. It was decided by 9 unelected judges.

And I completely agree that my position isn't a majority. Being unpopular, and being a failure, aren't exactly the same thing.

Anyway, I tried to engage you like an adult, but you dodged because I had a valid point.

I keep forgetting how very important it is to make sure all my words are chosen carefully because you and others are not always able to get the full meaning or the gist of every post, I should have clearly stated the movement leading up to Row vs Wade proved a large majority of women want to choose what is right for them, not some holier than thou churchgoer telling her what is right and wrong.

But hey thanks for the lesson in the courts, I'm just amazed at what I can learn reading your post, too funny you assuming that's what I meant.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

You are entitled to your opinion, but row wade proved your opinion isn’t held by the majority,

how exactly?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

but row wade proved....

and...good grief....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

if your a women your rights to choose are going backwards, seems the GOP is loosing touch with how many women vote and are pro choice.

"if your a women your rights to choose are going backwards"

Only in states where voters chose to elect conservatives.

GS, that's how democracy works. Where did liberals get the idea, that "democracy" means liberals get their way every single time?

"seems the GOP is loosing touch with how many women vote"

Seems that a meaningful number of suburban women are less concerned with abortion rights at the moment, and more concerned with their schools, which they pay for, turning into liberal, woke sh*tholes. If you don't believe me, drive to the Virginia capital and see if you can find Governor McAuliffe.

If you're right, democrats will clean up in November.

Watch what happens with Hispanic voters in November. They are moving right.

[Pete F.]

A month into his term, Virginia Gov. Glenn Youngkin’s job approval is mixed, while support for his signature policy proposals is low.

Those are the findings of the annual State of the Commonwealth Poll, conducted by the Wason Center for Civic Leadership at Christopher Newport University.

Youngkin’s approval ratings, and respondents’ opinions on the direction of the commonwealth, are a muddle: 41% of respondents said they approve of the job Youngkin is doing, while 43% disapprove, and 16% said they don’t know. The differences were pretty well split among partisan lines, with 80% of Republican voters saying Virginia is heading in the right direction, compared to 22% of Democrats and 45% of independents.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

A month into his term, Virginia Gov. Glenn Youngkin’s job approval is mixed, while support for his signature policy proposals is low.

Those are the findings of the annual State of the Commonwealth Poll, conducted by the Wason Center for Civic Leadership at Christopher Newport University.

Youngkin’s approval ratings, and respondents’ opinions on the direction of the commonwealth, are a muddle: 41% of respondents said they approve of the job Youngkin is doing, while 43% disapprove, and 16% said they don’t know. The differences were pretty well split among partisan lines, with 80% of Republican voters saying Virginia is heading in the right direction, compared to 22% of Democrats and 45% of independents.
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"A month into his term, Virginia Gov. Glenn Youngkin’s job approval is mixed,"

A year into Biden's term, Biden's approval ratings are not mixed, not ambiguous in any way.

Yet you desperately avoid talking about that, and think that Youngkins approval one month in, is relevant.

You are hysterical.

[Pete F.]

The right just wants to be left alone. Aside from controlling what women can & cannot do with their own bodies, controlling what teachers can & cannot teach, controlling the books our kids can & cannot read in school, controlling who can & cannot vote & controlling which votes can & cannot be counted… aside from that.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The right just wants to be left alone. Aside from controlling what women can & cannot do with their own bodies, controlling what teachers can & cannot teach, controlling the books our kids can & cannot read in school, controlling who can & cannot vote & controlling which votes can & cannot be counted… aside from that.
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which is why he gop never wins elections.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The right just wants to be left alone. Aside from controlling what women can & cannot do with their own bodies,

Women, for the most part, are free to do what they want with their own bodies. There are some things society prohibits for the common good and order such as not walking their bodies accross the street against a red light or not ingesting various prohibited substances, and a whole lot of stuff like that. Fetuses BTW, are not their body.

controlling what teachers can & cannot teach,

Education departments have been doing that from the beginning and under control of either Dem or Repub administrations.

controlling the books our kids can & cannot read in school,

Education departments have been doing that from the beginning and under control of either Dem or Repub administrations.

controlling who can & cannot vote

The Constitution and the States have always done that under all the different political administrations.

& controlling which votes can & cannot be counted…

States, no matter the party in power, have always done that.

aside from that.
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Aside from that, what?

[scottw]

so much good info here...could really help bridge the divide...

[wdmso]

Seems Republicans are on a Culture crusade to Save their vision of America against enemies and issues that dont exist except in their small Myopic world


Texas
Amber Briggle is speaking out again, after making headlines for inviting the Texas Attorney General to dinner in 2016. Texas Child Protective Services is investigating her family. 2022 her son is Transgender


Or Florida lawmakers back the creation of an election crimes investigative office


State republicans reasoning "Our job is to make sure our elections are as secure as possible, and you want to know why? Our constituents are demanding it,"

So that's it ? Truth and facts dont matter ? your passing laws on people's feelings not because you have a fraud Issue.. OK

Oh wait this isn't new in FLA

The Florida Senate passed a bill Tuesday that would prohibit “classroom discussion about sexual orientation or gender identity” in the state’s primary schools. The measure, dubbed the “Don’t Say Gay”

kindergarten through seventh grade I guess all these liberal teachers are turning Floridian Children Gay and Trans before High School and must be stopped


Mexicans are like what about us! dont worry you are on the radar but not until
30 days before the election

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Seems Republicans are on a Culture crusade to Save their vision of America against enemies and issues that dont exist except in their small Myopic world


Texas
Amber Briggle is speaking out again, after making headlines for inviting the Texas Attorney General to dinner in 2016. Texas Child Protective Services is investigating her family. 2022 her son is Transgender


Or Florida lawmakers back the creation of an election crimes investigative office


State republicans reasoning "Our job is to make sure our elections are as secure as possible, and you want to know why? Our constituents are demanding it,"

So that's it ? Truth and facts dont matter ? your passing laws on people's feelings not because you have a fraud Issue.. OK

Oh wait this isn't new in FLA

The Florida Senate passed a bill Tuesday that would prohibit “classroom discussion about sexual orientation or gender identity” in the state’s primary schools. The measure, dubbed the “Don’t Say Gay”

kindergarten through seventh grade I guess all these liberal teachers are turning Floridian Children Gay and Trans before High School and must be stopped


Mexicans are like what about us! dont worry you are on the radar but not until
30 days before the election

if no teachers are talking about sexuality, then zero
reason to complain about a bull
preventing it.

You’re right, FL and TX stink, which is why everyone is leaving there, no one is moving there.

i jave zero problem
with homosexuality, i was in favor of gay marriage long before it was popular, i was in favor of it when hilary and obama were adamantly opposed and yet everyone lives them.

but i wouldn’t want it discussed in public school. It’s my job to teach my kids about that stuff, not the teachers. teachers job is to teach math, science, literature.
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[Pete F.]

Wonder which states have the highest rates of divorce and teen pregnancy?
Better just let them learn about the birds and the bees at recess, huh

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Wonder which states have the highest rates of divorce and teen pregnancy?
Better just let them learn about the birds and the bees at recess, huh

Plenty of teen pregnancies in liberal-run cities, last time i checked.

We weren't talking how to avoid getting pregnant. For sure we weren't talking about stable marriages. We were talking about pornography, homosexuality, etc.

It doesn't belong in public school IMO.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Plenty of teen pregnancies in liberal-run cities, last time i checked.

We weren't talking how to avoid getting pregnant. For sure we weren't talking about stable marriages. We were talking about pornography, homosexuality, etc.

It doesn't belong in public school IMO.

In whose opinion does it?

I think they should confine those things to Catholic schools as it historically has.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

In whose opinion does it?

I think they should confine those things to Catholic schools as it historically has.
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in many liberals
opinion, it belongs in public school.

there was a book with illustrations of young boys blowing each other. conservatives wanted it out of school libraries. you guys all said the conservatives were a bunch of book burning, pro-censorship, homophobes
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

in many liberals
opinion, it belongs in public school.

there was a book with illustrations of young boys blowing each other. conservatives wanted it out of school libraries. you guys all said the conservatives were a bunch of book burning, pro-censorship, homophobes
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Many liberals.........

What's actually happening is that, after many many many decades of conservatives undercutting education, trying to ban books, and censoring what students can learn, the left had a little more cultural power and a sense of urgency thanks to Trump, and they capitalized on it.

There is a lot to criticize with how some progressive people have capitalized on this moment - what they're prioritizing, the kind of reductive ideas they're teaching. But they are not the new catalyst for right-wing censorship, lying, and attempts to outlaw teaching history.

Or I guess I should say: They are one catalyst for the current right-wing freak-out and attendant attempts at censorship and outlawing teaching accurate US history. But the right has long, long been censoring, lying and removing truth from the classroom. It's not new.

The right didn't start these egregious behaviors yesterday solely in response to the left. They've been doing this for a LONG time. Progressives reacted and had some wins. Now the right is doubling down on these long-standing impulses toward censorship and anti-intellectualism.

[Raider Ronnie]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Wonder which states have the highest rates of divorce and teen pregnancy?
Better just let them learn about the birds and the bees at recess, huh

How about you post some stats that lead in number of marriages each year along with the highest divorce rates ?
No one gets married any more compared to generations past so naturally divorce rates will be higher were they actually Get Married.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

right-wing censorship, lying, and attempts to outlaw teaching history.

Outlawing the teaching of history? Is this some widespread attempt? Really? How so?

Or I guess I should say: They are one catalyst for the current right-wing freak-out and attendant attempts at censorship and outlawing teaching accurate US history.

Massive successful attempts of censorship are coming from the left now, big time. The right has to create its own internet platforms now if it wants to reach the masses.

And "accurate US history" is an interesting locution. Would you consider books that comment on US history by Thomas Sowell to be "accurate"? They give a different picture than that painted by Critical Race Theorists.

Now the right is doubling down on these long-standing impulses toward censorship and anti-intellectualism.

Is an "impulse toward censorship" some constant and indiscriminate urge by all on "the right"? Or do some on "the right" at various times succumb to this "impulse"?

And is "the right" teeming with those (anti-intellectuals) who have long-standingly deprecated education, philosophy, art, literature, and science? I don't know anybody on "the right" who have a "long-standing impulse" to do so.

[Pete F.]

Oh look - An actual assault on free speech.

Florida Lt. Governor: They will try to bully us like Disney doing. How dare they. They have no right to criticize legislation by duly elected legislators… Governor DeSantis and I won’t stand for it
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[wdmso]

Republican strategy: Representatives in multiple states are pushing bills that would attempt to limit what residents can and can't do even beyond state lines.

I get it some are against Abortion and anything transgender related. Not sure how they can support something like this .
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[The Dad Fisherman]

......like playing chess with a pigeon
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

......like playing chess with a pigeon
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Nearly sprayed my computer screen with what I was drinking . . . that was funny.

[wdmso]

asked you to explain the laws that would criminalize what people
do outside their state, because i honestly have no idea what you’re referring to.


A google search would tell you everything you need to know
But you won’t

Here is some other proposed bills

Recently in Missouri, a state representative introduced a measure that would let people sue anyone they suspect of helping a resident get an abortion in another state.

More than 1,500 miles away, an Idaho bill seeking to ban gender-affirming care for youth would have made it a felony to help a child access care outside the state

It’s not a hard choice you agree or you disagree what details would make these OK?

Clearly these bills haven’t been put into law . But just their submission sends up red flags
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

gender-affirming care

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this sends up red flags....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

asked you to explain the laws that would criminalize what people
do outside their state, because i honestly have no idea what you’re referring to.


A google search would tell you everything you need to know
But you won’t

Here is some other proposed bills

Recently in Missouri, a state representative introduced a measure that would let people sue anyone they suspect of helping a resident get an abortion in another state.

More than 1,500 miles away, an Idaho bill seeking to ban gender-affirming care for youth would have made it a felony to help a child access care outside the state

It’s not a hard choice you agree or you disagree what details would make these OK?

Clearly these bills haven’t been put into law . But just their submission sends up red flags
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Sounds like there are a couple of conservative nutjobs out there, which we already knew. There's no way those laws can be constitutional.

I can fill the servers here with comparable examples of blatant unconstitutionality from the left, but you won't care, or ever admit it exists.

WDMSO, there are plenty of bad people and crazy people on both sides. Not just one side.

You ignore everything negative the left does, and ignore everything positive the right does. That must be a very soothing and reassuring approach for you to take, but it doesn't result in a meaningful comparison.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Sounds like there are a couple of conservative nutjobs out there, which we already knew.

.

at least a couple

no elected democrap nutjobs though

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

at least a couple

no elected democrap nutjobs though

nope! the gop has the monopoly on imperfections.

Hank Johnson, US democrat congressman from GA, said he was concerned about building a base in Guam because it might cause Guam to tip over. He literally said that. He thinks Guam is a frisbee floating on the surface. But it’s incorrect and even racist to say he’s a stunningly stupid person.
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[Pete F.]

Someone elected a guy to the highest office in the land who wanted to nuke hurricanes, rake the forest, water bomb Norte Dame, thinks Putin is a genius, need I go on???
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