Trump

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Congress can’t charge, they refer to DOJ
The Jan. 6 select committee says it believes Donald Trump violated multiple laws in his quest to overturn the 2020 election — including obstruction of Congress and defrauding the United States.

The committee supported its conclusions by releasing excerpts from multiple depositions, including:

-JASON MILLER
-MARC SHORT
-GREG JACOB
-JOHN EASTMAN
-KEITH KELLOGG
-JEFF ROSEN
-RICHARD DONOGHUE
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ok...let us know when they charge him...how's that thing in NY going?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

ok...let us know when they charge him...how's that thing in NY going?

Which of the many things are you talking about?
Last I knew there were close to twenty active civil and criminal cases that he or his business were defendants in
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Which of the many things are you talking about?
Last I knew there were close to twenty active civil and criminal cases that he or his business were defendants in
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should be in jail any time now I guess...

[wdmso]

Love conservatives logic unless trumps isn't charged with a crime and convicted

Then his behavior and actions are acceptable..(even if clear as day) ethics intent need not be considered

Unless it Gov Comuo , Hilary , Hunter , Soros then everything counts all based on a feeling

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Love conservatives logic unless trumps isn't charged with a crime and convicted

Then his behavior and actions are acceptable..(even if clear as day) ethics intent need not be considered

Unless it Gov Comuo , Hilary , Hunter , Soros then everything counts all based on a feeling

there’s not one irrational trump apologist here. literally, not one.

the liberal logic is that he’s a Sith Lord, and we need to fanatically discuss him 24/7 to distract attention away from the disastrous first year of the democrat who’s currently in the oval office.

we should never, under any circumstances,,allow it to be known that Biden doesn’t walk on water. Every time it looks like someone wants to discuss an imperfection in the current administration,,liberals will always pivot to how evil
republicans are.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

there’s not one irrational trump apologist here. literally, not one.


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that doesn't make what I said. not True

[wdmso]

As of this writing, March 2nd

Truth Social has fallen to No. 57 in the App Store, just behind Tinder and Planet Fitness Workouts.

Trump's role: The former president is Truth Social's founder and chairman, so he obviously bears some responsibility for putting together the team that's so far fallen on its face. But, most importantly, he's not using the app.

Trump hasn't posted a single time since the launch, despite an international crisis that has captivated the country.

More fleecing of the faithful

[Pete F.]

Roger Stone on JANUARY 6th sat next to Joshua James, who just pled guilty to SEDITIOUS CONSPIRACY and obstructing an official proceeding and is facing 7-9 years in prison as part of a full cooperation agreement.

This is going to get quite interesting.

The J6 committee didn’t file their most recent court documents till after the guilty plea.
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[Pete F.]

Try and remember the last time a Congressional Committee accused a President--in a court filing--of committing felonies. This isn't loose talk, it is a solemn court document, subject to all sorts of sanctions for misrepresentations, and backed by evidence they have uncovered.

Having a hard time?
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

subject to all sorts of sanctions for misrepresentations

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when have democrats ever worried about this?

[detbuch]

While net surfing, saw the headline "Analysis: Donald Trump calling Vladimir Putin a 'genius' was no mistake". It is a CNN article, but I read it anyway, to see what spin they put on it.

And yeah, they did, big time. Spinning into lying. It's that Buck Sexton and Clay Travis podcast that we've discussed on this forum. The article paints Trump as a Putin devotee with whom he sides, even against our country.

Right off the bat, in the headline, they lied. In the interview, Trump did not say that Putin was a genius. He used "genius" in the colloquial manner that he often does to describe really clever things or opinions--this time to comment on Putin's invasion--"This is genius"--which doesn't amount to calling Putin a genius. It's a common expression to describe a particular thing or action, not an unconditional judgment of the doer's mental capacity. And Trump's "Oh, that's wonderful" was pure Trumpian sarcasm. And being "smart" is not an indication of being morally upright or even of being right. Complimenting someone as being smart or doing something smart is not in itself an approval of his character. "I'd say that's pretty smart. He's taking over a country -- really a vast, vast location, a great piece of land with a lot of people, and just walking right in."-- "for two dollars' worth of sanctions." Saying it was "smart" to do that for almost nothing in retribution is not, as a transaction, incorrect. Obviously, Putin miscalculated if he thought the response would be puny in comparison to what he'd get--so he might not be as smart as Trump suggests.

And Trump, the article does not mention, said that the invasion was a disaster.

The article goes on: Then, in a speech at the annual Conservative Political Action Conference last weekend, Trump, again, repeated his praise of Putin. "Yesterday reporters asked me if I thought President Putin was smart," he said. "I said, 'Of course, he's smart,' to which I was greeted with 'Oh, that's such a terrible thing to say.'" I like to tell them, 'Yes, he's smart." Trump obviously likes to poke back at his Press adversaries--they either don't get what he's doing, or they intentionally spin it their way.

The article goes on and links to some timeline, I suppose of Trump praising Putin. I've seen enough selective timelines re Trump to not bother wasting time on it--select what you can spin and disregard the vast residuum of other things Trump has said or done or accomplished. To paint a picture. To create a narrative.

I don't say any of this to "defend" Trump. I would be perfectly happy if he was no longer an issue--whether he was convicted of an actual crime, or was not elected the candidate in the next primary. I am pointing out what is being done on a larger scale to take this country to a place that I do not think is good. And I think Trump is the scapegoat to distract us from the real danger. Paint him as the danger to "our Democracy" while the real culprit, the whole corporate/government/media complex is becoming our ruling class and needs to be exposed. Honest information is needed to fight it. Lies, false narratives, will not help us maintain what is left of our Republic.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...?ocid=msedgntp

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

While net surfing, saw the headline "Analysis: Donald Trump calling Vladimir Putin a 'genius' was no mistake". It is a CNN article, but I read it anyway, to see what spin they put on it.

And yeah, they did, big time. Spinning into lying. It's that Buck Sexton and Clay Travis podcast that we've discussed on this forum. The article paints Trump as a Putin devotee with whom he sides, even against our country.

Right off the bat, in the headline, they lied. In the interview, Trump did not say that Putin was a genius. He used "genius" in the colloquial manner that he often does to describe really clever things or opinions--this time to comment on Putin's invasion--"This is genius"--which doesn't amount to calling Putin a genius. It's a common expression to describe a particular thing or action, not an unconditional judgment of the doer's mental capacity. And Trump's "Oh, that's wonderful" was pure Trumpian sarcasm. And being "smart" is not an indication of being morally upright or even of being right. Complimenting someone as being smart or doing something smart is not in itself an approval of his character. "I'd say that's pretty smart. He's taking over a country -- really a vast, vast location, a great piece of land with a lot of people, and just walking right in."-- "for two dollars' worth of sanctions." Saying it was "smart" to do that for almost nothing in retribution is not, as a transaction, incorrect. Obviously, Putin miscalculated if he thought the response would be puny in comparison to what he'd get--so he might not be as smart as Trump suggests.

And Trump, the article does not mention, said that the invasion was a disaster.

The article goes on: Then, in a speech at the annual Conservative Political Action Conference last weekend, Trump, again, repeated his praise of Putin. "Yesterday reporters asked me if I thought President Putin was smart," he said. "I said, 'Of course, he's smart,' to which I was greeted with 'Oh, that's such a terrible thing to say.'" I like to tell them, 'Yes, he's smart." Trump obviously likes to poke back at his Press adversaries--they either don't get what he's doing, or they intentionally spin it their way.

The article goes on and links to some timeline, I suppose of Trump praising Putin. I've seen enough selective timelines re Trump to not bother wasting time on it--select what you can spin and disregard the vast residuum of other things Trump has said or done or accomplished. To paint a picture. To create a narrative.

I don't say any of this to "defend" Trump. I would be perfectly happy if he was no longer an issue--whether he was convicted of an actual crime, or was not elected the candidate in the next primary. I am pointing out what is being done on a larger scale to take this country to a place that I do not think is good. And I think Trump is the scapegoat to distract us from the real danger. Paint him as the danger to "our Democracy" while the real culprit, the whole corporate/government/media complex is becoming our ruling class and needs to be exposed. Honest information is needed to fight it. Lies, false narratives, will not help us maintain what is left of our Republic.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...?ocid=msedgntp

Oh, the just kidding sarcasm baloney

Trump, is bought and paid for by Putin.
Has been for years

When he lied during the campaign saying that “I have nothing to do with Russia, no deals, no loans, no nothing”
“Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets. We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.”
Eric Trump
“Well, we don’t rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia.”
Don Jr
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Oh, the just kidding sarcasm baloney

Sarcasm is sarcasm. Trump employs a lot of it on a consistent basis. He did so in the Sexton and Travis podcast. It's what he does--whether you think its baloney or not, it's what he does.

Trump, is bought and paid for by Putin.
Has been for years

When he lied during the campaign saying that “I have nothing to do with Russia, no deals, no loans, no nothing”
“Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets. We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.”
Eric Trump
“Well, we don’t rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia.”
Don Jr
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If you have money flowing in and out of Switzerland or Germany, does that mean that Switzerland or Germany own you? For that matter, if your money is tied up in American banks, does that mean you are Biden's puppet?

According to the NY Times, there is no evidence that Trump owes money to Russia: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/13/t...to-russia.html

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

If you have money flowing in and out of Switzerland or Germany, does that mean that Switzerland or Germany own you? For that matter, if your money is tied up in American banks, does that mean you are Biden's puppet?

According to the NY Times, there is no evidence that Trump owes money to Russia: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/13/t...to-russia.html

So you’re claiming that the Trumpkins were lying when they made those claims, interesting
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

So you’re claiming that the Trumpkins were lying when they made those claims, interesting
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They may have been lying. I don't know specifically what they referring to. I don't know why you would be concerned with someone lying. It's a tactic you use a lot. It's not uncommon. Politics is an arena rich in lies. We are daily lied to by politicians, "intelligence" agencies, news medias, corporations, preachers, ad agencies and all manner of things and people who or which seek to influence us to do or think or believe something.

That's not to say that I think it's a good thing. If the Trumps are guilty of punishable offences, it would be good that they be punished.

But that applies to all the others as well. Many of whom want to punish Trump. My larger concern are the lies perpetrated to transform this country into a centralized power state. It appears to me that this is obviously happening, and the lies to cover it up are so persuasive, or we are so gullible, or we are so needy to hang on to the benefits we are promised and so trusting that we will get them that the lies are OK--no different, perhaps, than those we tell in order to get others to love us, or comfort us, or satisfy our pleasure.

So if Trump's lies are the central, important biggy for you, I can understand your need to daily bang the drum. But when you lie, distort, twist, deceive in order to expose what you consider his lies, and you repeat the lies of those who use Trump as one of their scapegoats to achieve the power to transform this nation into an authoritarian state that proscribes what rights we can have rather than protecting our constitutional unalienable rights, then it's a biggy for me to expose the lies and distortions of you and those you parrot.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

They may have been lying. I don't know specifically what they referring to. I don't know why you would be concerned with someone lying. It's a tactic you use a lot. It's not uncommon. Politics is an arena rich in lies. We are daily lied to by politicians, "intelligence" agencies, news medias, corporations, preachers, ad agencies and all manner of things and people who or which seek to influence us to do or think or believe something.

That's not to say that I think it's a good thing. If the Trumps are guilty of punishable offences, it would be good that they be punished.

But that applies to all the others as well. Many of whom want to punish Trump. My larger concern are the lies perpetrated to transform this country into a centralized power state. It appears to me that this is obviously happening, and the lies to cover it up are so persuasive, or we are so gullible, or we are so needy to hang on to the benefits we are promised and so trusting that we will get them that the lies are OK--no different, perhaps, than those we tell in order to get others to love us, or comfort us, or satisfy our pleasure.

So if Trump's lies are the central, important biggy for you, I can understand your need to daily bang the drum. But when you lie, distort, twist, deceive in order to expose what you consider his lies, and you repeat the lies of those who use Trump as one of their scapegoats to achieve the power to transform this nation into an authoritarian state that proscribes what rights we can have rather than protecting our constitutional unalienable rights, then it's a biggy for me to expose the lies and distortions of you and those you parrot.

So apparently everyone’s politics are based on the lies they choose to believe and repeat, except for the truth that comes from YouTube
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

So apparently everyone’s politics are based on the lies they choose to believe and repeat, except for the truth that comes from YouTube
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What I am interested in is preserving and maintaining our constitutional republic. I understand that within its structure of freedom humans will act human. Which includes lying. And telling the truth. And, within that structure, we will protect the freedom of individuals to do those and many creative, beautiful, inspiring, inventive, (and even dumb) things that centralized authoritarian states will not tolerate and will punish if they do not fit within the regulations they impose in order to achieve some probably impossible "equity" if they pretend to "liberate" the people, or, otherwise, if they merely want to dictatorially hang on to power.

I believe that the Progressivism you favor is the false promise of those who think that "liberation" can only be achieved through the power of an authoritarian, unlimited, central state.

[Pete F.]

Your “liberation” has resulted in the highest healthcare costs in the world, a poverty rate far higher than the United States ranking by gdp and a democracy rating that is now categorized as flawed.
Yes, tell me how with zero governmental interference all would be well
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Your “liberation” has resulted in the highest healthcare costs in the world, a poverty rate far higher than the United States ranking by gdp and a democracy rating that is now categorized as flawed.
Yes, tell me how with zero governmental interference all would be well
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The Constitution gives enough leeway for the government to "interfere". And after a century of excessive government "interference" beyond its constitutional limitations we are in a condition you don't seem to approve of.

Yet you seem to think that if we just go whole hog and let the government do whatever interference it claims will fix it, then it all will be good. Or at least we all will have the same equal high quality government mandated "healthcare." Probably not. Corrupt Government is easily bribed by those evil one percenters that you don't like and who lord it over the rest of us. No doubt, however, they will see to it that the government they are in bed with will get good democracy ratings.

And it's not my liberation. It's yours. Your the one who wants authoritarian government. The Constitution protects enough of our freedoms if the politicians rule within its bounds. But . . . healthcare . . . we just won't get the proper statistics by world ranking if we don't let the government do what's necessary, in the minds of authoritarian equity seekers, to equalize the global statistics of the global community. No doubt the benevolent dictators will see to it that the statistics will show that they know best, that they have given us what we really need, and will show that they deserve their exorbitant rewards.

[Pete F.]

Almost immediately after Trump was inaugurated, the first people he invited to the Oval Office were the Russians Sergei Lavrov & Sergey Kislyak. Trump was literally giddy during the visit. Today Lavrov threatens nukes. Never forget.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Almost immediately after Trump was inaugurated, the first people he invited to the Oval Office were the Russians Sergei Lavrov & Sergey Kislyak. Trump was literally giddy during the visit. Today Lavrov threatens nukes. Never forget.
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Not worth remembering.

[Pete F.]

Remember when Trump actually proposed creating an “impenetrable Cyber Security unit” with Vladimir Putin?
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Remember when Trump actually proposed creating an “impenetrable Cyber Security unit” with Vladimir Putin?
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He obviously wanted to overthrow the U.S. government and make America a Russian satelite.

[Pete F.]

John Bolton says that he, Pompeo and Esper were “appalled” at how Trump treated Ukraine, that he believes that Trump was going to pull the US out of NATO in his 2nd term, and that is what Putin was waiting for before moving forward with plans to invade Ukraine.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

John Bolton says that he, Pompeo and Esper were “appalled” at how Trump treated Ukraine, that he believes that Trump was going to pull the US out of NATO in his 2nd term, and that is what Putin was waiting for before moving forward with plans to invade Ukraine.
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I remember Bolton, Pompeo, and Esper being trashed as dangers to democracy by the legacy Progressive Democrat puppet mainstream media.

[Pete F.]

“Trump mused to donors…we should take our F-22 planes, ‘put the Chinese flag on them and bomb the #^&#^&#^&#^&’ out of Russia. ‘And then we say, China did it, we didn't do, China did it, and then they start fighting with each other and we sit back and watch.’”
Now consider the destruction associated with the BLM protests
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

“Trump mused to donors…we should take our F-22 planes, ‘put the Chinese flag on them and bomb the #^&#^&#^&#^&’ out of Russia. ‘And then we say, China did it, we didn't do, China did it, and then they start fighting with each other and we sit back and watch.’”
Now consider the destruction associated with the BLM protests
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Pete that was just hyperbole didn’t you know that! LOL

And The vote counter is oftentimes more important than the candidate and the Republicans are going to have to get a lot tougher,
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

“Trump mused to donors…we should take our F-22 planes, ‘put the Chinese flag on them and bomb the #^&#^&#^&#^&’ out of Russia. ‘And then we say, China did it, we didn't do, China did it, and then they start fighting with each other and we sit back and watch.’”
Now consider the destruction associated with the BLM protests
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He's Putin's puppet.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

He's Putin's puppet.

Rest easy, the guy who said to rake the forest and water-bomb the cathedral and nuke the hurricane is here to tell us exactly how he would win a war against Russia
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Rest easy, the guy who said to rake the forest and water-bomb the cathedral and nuke the hurricane is here to tell us exactly how he would win a war against Russia
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Now that’s funny!