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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

pete, do you know if these seditionists entered the capitol?

The crime of conspiracy doesn’t require you to be present at the scene of the crime.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The crime of conspiracy doesn’t require you to be present at the scene of the crime.
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that wasn't the question, if you read the indictment, surely you would know

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

that wasn't the question, if you read the indictment, surely you would know

Doesn’t matter, if all were present.
If you do read the indictment, you will see that not all of the conspirators were charged on all counts.

Do you think the DOJ prosecutors didn’t do the work to be able to obtain convictions?
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[wdmso]

because it was not a coordinated effort.

I love this line or reasoning, which may actually be True if

but ever single elected Republican and other key supporters of Trump
Have refused to answer questions in front of the committee why ?

is that ! if it’s as some here claim as just 3 rate insurrectionist

the problem is the rest of the country aren’t in the cult we don’t blindly believe everything we read. (is it true that trump authorized the use of the national guard for the 6th and that pelosi and bowser refused? )

The Trump and GOP supporters are bombarded with so much misinformation from the trump triangle of Fox OAN and newsmax that when the lies get exposed they just go back into the fake new corner

Republicans 3 odd years on Benghazi. Outraged Americans died many here insisting troops could have helped , I should pull some up for a side by side comparison

Yet Jan 6th Trump took 4 hrs to take any action on an attack 2 miles from the White House to the capital . And the GOP and Trump supporters response. So What ! it happened get over it already

[Pete F.]

The forged electoral certificates show coordination across seven states. Those fake certificates were key to the plan of the Eastman memo and to the Jeffrey Clark DOJ draft letter to Georgia. The conspiracy involved fraud and force. At the head of the conspiracy: Donald Trump.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The forged electoral certificates show coordination across seven states. Those fake certificates were key to the plan of the Eastman memo and to the Jeffrey Clark DOJ draft letter to Georgia. The conspiracy involved fraud and force. At the head of the conspiracy: Donald Trump.
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are the authorities aware of this?

[Pete F.]

Why the 7 forged certifications matter:
Eastman memo: "Pence...announces because of the ongoing disputes...there are no electors that can be deemed validly appointed in those States...[So] there are 232 votes for Trump, 222 votes for Biden. Pence then gavels Trump re-elected.”
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Why the 7 forged certifications matter:
Eastman memo: "Pence...announces because of the ongoing disputes...there are no electors that can be deemed validly appointed in those States...[So] there are 232 votes for Trump, 222 votes for Biden. Pence then gavels Trump re-elected.”
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if they are forged I'm sure someone will be arrested...hopefully, for your sanity it will be trump

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

if they are forged I'm sure someone will be arrested...hopefully, for your sanity it will be trump

They had them notarized and sent them to the NATIONAL ARCHIVES. Used State seals. This is serious forgery. It was also part of seditious conspiracy to overturn an election. This carries a hefty prison sentence because it is not just one thing.
You think the DOJ is sleeping?
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

They had them notarized and sent them to the NATIONAL ARCHIVES. Used State seals. This is serious forgery. It was also part of seditious conspiracy to overturn an election. This carries a hefty prison sentence because it is not just one thing.
You think the DOJ is sleeping?
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sounds serious...someone is probably in big trouble

[wdmso]

Here are few Benghazi outrages You will not find the same convictions when applied to What happened January 6th


God Bless Foxnews, the only network willing to do their jobs on this story.

Unfreakinbelievable.

EXCLUSIVE: CIA operators were denied request for help during Benghazi attack, sources say | Fox News

WHY ISN'T THIS A BIGGER STORY.

Stevens and others ask for more security, and they are denied. When it turns out thet were justified in asking for more security, their pleas for help go unanswered?

Unfreakinbelievable.

"A second force that specializes in counterterrorism rescues was on hand at Sigonella, according to senior military and intelligence sources. According to those sources, they could have flown to Benghazi in less than two hours. They were the same distance to Benghazi as those that were sent from Tripoli"

guess under this administration we can't defend against 20 or so militants
If we can't send in a drone we don't go
We have an administration that can't think on its feet and has to way the personal political fallout in every move.
Obama first,,,,everything else after.


I guess under this administration we can't defend against 20 or so militants"

You said it before i could.

The drones over the compound showed approximately TWENTY attackers. Twenty. This was not the Battle Of Thermopayle.

Spence, if Obama's military advisors need 2 weeks to figure out how to defeat 20 barbarians, then I think they need to be replaced.

2 Navy SEALS survived the attack for 7 hours, for Christ's sakes. 15 or 20 more special forces soldiers, and it's a turkey shoot.

Spence, you don't put people in harm's way and refuse to help them. You just don't, not if you have any honor.

The Obama administration stood their with their hands in their pockets, because of 20 barbarians who probably couldn't scratch their names in the dirt with a stick. Even Jimmy Carter wasn't that impotent. Obama was probably looking on the Harvard Law Review for the appropriate response, while those guys were literally fighting for their lives.

UNFREKINBELIEVABLE.


Amazing how with all the number of hours of real time information streaming into the situation room , a decision to do nothing was made
It took the Bush administration minutes to get planes in the air and the order to shoot down American airliners

At an absolute minimum, you at least deploy some troops in choppers, and have them hold a few miles out, while you try to figure out if you can send them in. That way, once you getthje green light, they are 2 minutes out. If the forces are an hour away, it makes zero tactical sense to leave themthat far out. They could have been hovering the ocean (Benghazi is on the coast),

Plain as the nose on your face, either one of two things, complete and utter incompetency,or lack of courage to make the right decesion for whatever reason.

Come on Mr President, tell us why four of our American citizens weren't given
the help they asked for and needed.


These are significant questions. Have they been clearly answered already? If so, Gowdy whould explain why he says they are unanswered. If many of these are still unanswered (and I can't fathom why these wouldn't have been answered yet), that's valid reason for the hearings.

The Dems do not want thee hearings. Human Nature 101 suggests that when one has noting to hide, one does not quiver at the thought of answering a question.


The good news is, soon we'll all know. Interesting that the GOP can't wait to start the hearings, and the Democrats want nothing to do with it. I find that revealing, I am sure you do not.

Gowdy is not a party hack. He was named a US attorney by one Bill Clinton. He's respected on your side, though I'd imagine not for long, as I suspect he's about to take a lot of powerful Democrats out to the woodshed.

I just hope it lasts until 2016...


So where was the President during the time these brave men were fighting for their life's and begging for help ?
I missed that testimony

I care where he was. I'm of the understanding he knew the attack was taking place . If he shrugged it off and passed on the decision making to others then I would like someone held accountable.....


The hearings are coming. I cannot wait to watch Gowdy refuse to let anyone whitewash this.


This is just a few. Examples of how the The GOP and their supporters are just hypocrites claiming these great convictions of truth and honesty being objective
Than History proves otherwise

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Here are few Benghazi outrages

try to stay on topic...

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

try to stay on topic...

Oh it’s right on Topic your response not so much

[wdmso]

Former President Donald Trump on Saturday at his rally in Florence, Ariz., blasted the treatment of Capitol protesters and Democrats' "blatant abuse of power to harass their political opponents."

Donald Trump falsely declared in a weekend rally that public health authorities are denying the COVID-19 vaccine to white people because of their race.


keep support Him

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Former President Donald Trump on Saturday at his rally in Florence, Ariz., blasted the treatment of Capitol protesters and Democrats' "blatant abuse of power to harass their political opponents."

Donald Trump falsely declared in a weekend rally that public health authorities are denying the COVID-19 vaccine to white people because of their race.


keep support Him

i don’t support him. but there are places that are prioritizing vaccines and treatment by skin color. that’s true. and it’s not what MLK would have wanted.
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[Pete F.]

I don’t know why you’re so triggered about people not getting treatment, as Joe Manchin said about the government and voting:…the government will stand behind them to make sure they have a right to vote…We act like we’re going to obstruct people from voting. That’s not going to happen.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I don’t know why you’re so triggered about people not getting treatment, as Joe Manchin said about the government and voting:…the government will stand behind them to make sure they have a right to vote…We act like we’re going to obstruct people from voting. That’s not going to happen.
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Roy Rogers horse was named Trigger. Everybody loved Trigger.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I don’t know why you’re so triggered about people not getting treatment, as Joe Manchin said about the government and voting:…the government will stand behind them to make sure they have a right to vote…We act like we’re going to obstruct people from voting. That’s not going to happen.
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Pretty much everybody who wants to vote, can vote, even dead people in democrat strongholds.

Lots of people can't get covid tests, lots of people with covid cant get treatments docs want to give them (monoclonal antibodies), because not enough exists.

Your side's concern over voter suppression is speculation. My concern over insufficient covid supplies, is a reality. It's happening.

The GA voting law that the left is going berserk over, allows more days of early voting than Bidens home state of Delaware. It also allows for excuse-free absentee ballots. where some liberal states make you provide a sufficient excuse to get an absentee ballot.

[Pete F.]

But it’s not true that in lots of cases, race is a factor in Covid testing or treatment
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

But it’s not true that in lots of cases, race is a factor in Covid testing or treatment
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It's also true that in some cases, it is a factor. And it shouldn't be. Race has no place in medical decisions.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

It's also true that in some cases, it is a factor. And it shouldn't be. Race has no place in medical decisions.

But as Manchin said
Government will protect your rights🤡
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

But as Manchin said
Government will protect your rights🤡
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Liberals tend to believe that. Not sure why that's relevant, seems like an odd response.

Are you OK with giving treatment priority based on race? Thats the key question.

If you say "yes", how is that not racist against the races that get a lower priority?

Have fun with that, looking forward to your dodge.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Liberals tend to believe that. Not sure why that's relevant, seems like an odd response.

Are you OK with giving treatment priority based on race? Thats the key question.

If you say "yes", how is that not racist against the races that get a lower priority?

Have fun with that, looking forward to your dodge.

I didn’t pay much attention to your claims of victimization because someone was denied something somewhere.
Is it a continuing denial of whatever or has it been stopped?
What I read and heard was Trump claiming and one article citing another article citing a person.
Not a strong chain of custody for the truth.
Though there’s usually a grain in there
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[wdmso]

Supreme Court Rejects Trump Bid to Shield Capitol Attack Records From House Panel's Probe

Maga heads are exploding across the nation

But the Truth is they won’t believe a single document presented

It will be the usual deep state this hoax the SJC are weak bla bla bla
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[Pete F.]

The Supreme Court ruling is likely to have a cascading effect on other lawsuits filed against the Jan. 6 select committee, which cited Trump's pending litigation as a crucial flashpoint in their own efforts.

The key line in the ruling: Trump would have failed even if he were the incumbent president.

The lone dissenter was a funder of the Stop the Steals husband.

This puts Meadows (and Bannon) in extra legal jeopardy. Their defense against contempt of Congress based in part on executive privilege claim.

(They may want to comply now saying were waiting for litigation resolution)
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The Supreme Court ruling is likely to have a cascading effect on other lawsuits filed against the Jan. 6 select committee, which cited Trump's pending litigation as a crucial flashpoint in their own efforts.

The key line in the ruling: Trump would have failed even if he were the incumbent president.

The lone dissenter was a funder of the Stop the Steals husband.

This puts Meadows (and Bannon) in extra legal jeopardy. Their defense against contempt of Congress based in part on executive privilege claim.

(They may want to comply now saying were waiting for litigation resolution)
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I'm rooting for you pete...

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by scottw

I'm rooting for you pete...

Obviously Pete wasn’t a Red Sox fan in the 90’s. He has such optimism
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[Pete F.]

Never say never. I mean…I witnessed Donald Trump being elected President of the United States so…yea…Anything is possible.
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[wdmso]

The Trump electors gathered in plain sight, assisted by campaign officials and Trump attorney Rudolph W. Giuliani, who said publicly that the rival slates were necessary and appropriate. Internally, Giuliani oversaw the effort,

Say it ain’t so

[Pete F.]

The scope of the unfolding conspiracy is going to be massive.

This breadth of corruption results from a morally bankrupt and rotten mob. Absolute Fealty to the Dear Leader was the only requirement.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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