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12-22-2020, 10:47 PM
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Noted Rino Karl Rove called the advice given to Trump by the lawyer and the former national security adviser "idiotic" and "unbelievable."
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12-22-2020, 11:29 PM
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Noted Rino Karl Rove called the advice given to Trump by the lawyer and the former national security adviser "idiotic" and "unbelievable."
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Good for swampman Rove. He gets a lot of things right. But remember, you don't think Trump listens to his lawyers and advisers. So you needn't obsess on your orange monster nightmare . . . unless its actually a pleasant dream.
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12-23-2020, 09:26 AM
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Good for swampman Rove. He gets a lot of things right. But remember, you don't think Trump listens to his lawyers and advisers. So you needn't obsess on your orange monster nightmare . . . unless its actually a pleasant dream.
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No, I think Tweety listens to those who parrot what he wants to hear, Rudy, Powell, Flynn and drives those that insist he follow the rule of law out.
Because it’s simple. You cannot honor your oath to uphold the constitution, even at the margins and simultaneously serve Tweety.
They’re mutually exclusive.
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12-23-2020, 10:31 AM
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I saw that rove promptly branded a Rino for not being subservient to Trump and declaring total loyalty.. trump wants to be Kim Jong UN or his father add his name to anything below and its not to far off from what Trump and his supporters think already
North Korea claims that its leader Kim Jong-un is "too perfect to need to urinate or defecate" well we know Trumps full of #^&#^&#^&#^&
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His trademark haircut is reportedly one of 28 approved cuts for men in North Korea
KIM COULD DRIVE BY AGE THREE
EVERYONE IN NORTH KOREA VOTED FOR HIM (LITERALLY) North America
Not one person voted against Kim Jong-un in his first electoral test - and EVERYBODY voted. 2nd electoral test for Trump
Kim Jong-il also had the best golfing record in history Kim Jong-il had scored five holes-in-one,
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12-23-2020, 11:59 AM
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I saw that rove promptly branded a Rino for not being subservient to Trump
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12-23-2020, 12:41 PM
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The latest achievement the rightwing’s claiming for Tweety.
Only 4 presidents have been impeached or resigned. Only 5 presidents failed to win the popular vote. Only 13 presidents failed to get re-elected. Only 1 has done all 3!
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12-23-2020, 03:32 PM
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No, I think Tweety listens to those who parrot what he wants to hear, Rudy, Powell, Flynn and drives those that insist he follow the rule of law out.
Because it’s simple. You cannot honor your oath to uphold the constitution, even at the margins and simultaneously serve Tweety.
They’re mutually exclusive.
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Oh, so he does listen to his advisers. Naughty, naughty . . . you were fibbing about this for four years.
And he has been following the rule of law, as it has become under Progressive "evolution", all along. He has not disobeyed the courts if they determine that he is wrong about something (those decisions being mostly split) until he gets it right.
See, you're making it about Trump, which leads down the rabbit hole of personal animosity being applied to legal procedure. The degree of how "authoritarian" his personality is only becomes a threat if the system under which he operates is, in itself, authoritarian. We have had many, if not all, Presidents who have had authoritarian personalities to some degree. Some, who have been labeled "great," have been as, or more, authoritarian in nature than Trump, such as Jackson, Roosevelt (both), and LBJ. Some, mostly Democrats, have actually defied the Court and abandoned the Constitution.
It has been the Progressive orientation of politicians in concert with their Progressive cohort in the Courts that have brought about conditions in our governmental system that allow for a continuing degradation of the Constitution. The original Progressives even openly stated that the Constitution is an obstacle to their theory of what and how a government should be--which is a bureaucracy of experts who are unimpeded in legislative power to regulate us in what they consider the most equitable and beneficial way.
We are on the brink of removing what is left of the Constitution's system of protecting our "unalienable" rights, which precede government, and transforming that system into one which tells us what our rights . . .for the moment . . . are. A totally elastic system of "experts" appointed by authoritarian politicians who are mediocre in nature but charismatic or seemingly "appropriate" in every way, who we supposedly voted into office, but who actually are chosen to run by the rich and powerful, regardless of under which co-opted party banner they run.
The Constitution has become a quaint piece of history that has run its course.
We are on the brink of discarding a historically unexpected system in which the individual is the model that it protects, to a system of artificially created competing group behaviors which depend on it for their nurture and existence. A system that defines us instead of we defining ourselves. A system in which any semblance of individual rights resides only in those who hold the ultimate power. An ancient system which seems inherent in the nature of human interaction, and which has thrived in all cultures larger than tiny local tribes. A system, repeated under different names and structures, of the ruling class and its dependents who eventually become some sort of willing or unwilling slaves.
We are on the brink of discarding a system which constrains the inevitable authoritarians among us who will, by their nature, be those who we choose to be our public leaders, and trading that for a system which is, itself, authoritarian. In this particular instance, "we" throw out someone we call authoritarian, and replace him with a system that is authoritarian. But we somehow believe that this time around, it will finally be a good thing.
Of course, the "we" is not clearly defined. In our post modern way, "we" is a social construct. It is whatever we want it to be. And those who hold the power, naturally, define it for us. It is no accident we have those groups, competing at times violently and usually confrontationally, some of which never existed before and some that defy what we consider nature. It is no easy task to strip a nation of individuals from their identity as such. All the traditions, customs, laws, and religions that lead to and support an inviolable belief in the sovereignty of the individual must be destroyed if individuals are to be subsumed into pliable and dependent groups. And the groups must take precedence over the individual. And so we have that as an essential step toward our reincarnated form of "benevolent" dictatorship which we call Progressivism along with its elaborate system of regulatory agencies tasked with the real work of crafting for us what we can do and how.
This refurbished form of power over the masses, the Progressive administrative state, is one of the most seductive sounding ones. It has the smack of logic, intelligence, and power all geared toward making the lives of "the people" comfortable and secure. But it is an ancient story molded to suit the transformation of plucky, resistant, individually oriented people who have strayed from the expected obeisance of the masses, and have a willingness to fight for freedom, into pliable, weak groups who threaten one another so that they must turn toward government for protection and existence.
But even the benevolent, though authoritarian, idea of Progressive government is, inevitably, corruptible. And that has been happening as well. Those unavoidable, predictable, indomitable power seekers among us are going to ply their might no matter the system. Our constitutional system was one of the best, if not the best, way to defend against them. But as we have lost our taste for the hard way of freedom, it has become easier for them to make inroads into our powers of government. They have found it easier to do so as we have become more Progressive and less constitutional--naturally since an authoritarian system is more amenable to their quest for power.
And the power seekers are even using the ancient tactic of creating an empire which conquers as much territory as they can. Most of the supposedly "known" world was captured by the Romans and the Mongols. The Muslims came close to repeating that. This time the target is the globe. We refer to them as globalists--disparagingly by some, admiringly by others.
Trump was an outlier. He didn't, nor did he seem to desire to do so, fit into any category. He was an outlier. A threat to the direction of globalist plans and policies and to the Progressive destruction of the Constitution. A threat to what was steadily and more easily achievable globalist aspirations and totally authoritarian governance. So he had to be removed. And no governmental obstacle could stand in the way of his removal.
Fait accompli, we can now look forward to an authoritarian system of government being the handmaiden of our new age crony corporate ruling class in its quest for global economic power. China will be back in the fold, with its own desires for global power. Somehow, that is supposed to work itself out.
Probably more revolutions coming. Don't know if we can repeat our constitutional one. Maybe a better one. Or . . . our human quest for something or other goes on until the earth explodes.
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12-23-2020, 06:00 PM
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Oh, so he does listen to his advisers. Naughty, naughty . . . you were fibbing about this for four years.
And he has been following the rule of law, as it has become under Progressive "evolution", all along. He has not disobeyed the courts if they determine that he is wrong about something (those decisions being mostly split) until he gets it right.
See, you're making it about Trump, which leads down the rabbit hole of personal animosity being applied to legal procedure. The degree of how "authoritarian" his personality is only becomes a threat if the system under which he operates is, in itself, authoritarian. We have had many, if not all, Presidents who have had authoritarian personalities to some degree. Some, who have been labeled "great," have been as, or more, authoritarian in nature than Trump, such as Jackson, Roosevelt (both), and LBJ. Some, mostly Democrats, have actually defied the Court and abandoned the Constitution.
It has been the Progressive orientation of politicians in concert with their Progressive cohort in the Courts that have brought about conditions in our governmental system that allow for a continuing degradation of the Constitution. The original Progressives even openly stated that the Constitution is an obstacle to their theory of what and how a government should be--which is a bureaucracy of experts who are unimpeded in legislative power to regulate us in what they consider the most equitable and beneficial way.
We are on the brink of removing what is left of the Constitution's system of protecting our "unalienable" rights, which precede government, and transforming that system into one which tells us what our rights . . .for the moment . . . are. A totally elastic system of "experts" appointed by authoritarian politicians, mediocre in nature but charismatic or seemingly "appropriate" in every way, who we supposedly voted into office, but who actually are chosen to run by the rich and powerful, regardless of under which co-opted party banner they run.
The Constitution has become a quaint piece of history that has run its course.
We are on the brink of discarding a historically unexpected system in which the individual is the model which it protects, to a system of artificially created competing group behaviors which depend on it for their nurture and existence. A system that defines us instead of we defining ourselves. A system in which any semblance of individual rights resides only in those who hold the ultimate power. An ancient system which seems inherent in the nature of human interaction, and which has thrived in all cultures larger than tiny local tribes. A system, repeated under different names and structures, of the ruling class and its dependents who eventually become some sort of willing or unwilling slaves.
We are on the brink of discarding a system which constrains the inevitable authoritarians among us who will, by their nature, be those who we choose to be our public leaders, and trading that for a system which is, itself, authoritarian. In this particular instance, "we" throw out someone we call authoritarian, and replace him with a system that is authoritarian. But we somehow believe that this time around, it will finally be a good thing.
Of course, the "we" is not clearly defined. In our post modern way, "we" is a social construct. It is whatever we want it to be. And those who hold the power, naturally, define it for us. It is no accident we have those groups, competing at times violently and usually confrontationally, some of which never existed before and some that defy what we consider nature. It is no easy task to strip a nation of individuals from their identity as such. All the traditions, customs, laws, and religions that lead to and support an inviolable belief in the sovereignty of the individual must be destroyed if individuals are to be subsumed into pliable and dependent groups. And the groups must take precedence over the individual. And so we have that as an essential step toward our reincarnated "benevolent" dictatorship which we call Progressivism along with its elaborate system of regulatory agencies tasked with the real work of crafting for us what we can do and how.
This refurbished form of power over the masses, the Progressive administrative state, is one of the most seductive sounding ones. It has the smack of logic, intelligence, and power all geared toward making the lives of "the people" comfortable and secure. But it is an ancient story molded to suit the transformation of plucky, resistant, individually oriented people who have strayed from the expected obeisance of the masses, and have a willingness to fight for freedom, into pliable, weak groups who threaten one another so that they must turn toward government for protection and existence.
But even the benevolent, though authoritarian, idea of Progressive government is, inevitably, corruptible. And that has been happening as well. Those unavoidable, predictable, indomitable power seekers among us are going to ply their might no matter the system. Our constitutional system was one of the best, if not the best, way to defend against them. But as we have lost our taste for the hard way of freedom, it has become easier for them to make inroads into our powers of government. They have found it easier to do so as we have become more Progressive and less constitutional--naturally since an authoritarian system is more amenable to their quest for power.
And the power seekers are even using the ancient tactic of creating an empire which conquers as much territory as they can. Most of the supposedly "known" world was captured by the Romans and the Mongols. The Muslims came close to repeating that. This time the target is the globe. We refer to them as globalists--disparagingly by some, admiringly by others.
Trump was an outlier. He didn't, nor did he seem to desire to do so, fit into any category. He was an outlier. A threat to the direction of globalist plans and policies and to the Progressive destruction of the Constitution. A threat to what was steadily and more easily achievable globalist aspirations and totally authoritarian governance. So he had to be removed. And no governmental obstacle could stand in the way of his removal.
Fait accompli, we can now look forward to an authoritarian system of government being the handmaiden of our new age crony corporate ruling class in its quest for global economic power. China will be back in the fold, with its own desires for global power. Somehow, that is supposed to work itself out.
Probably more revolutions coming. Don't know if we can repeat our constitutional one. Maybe a better one. Or . . . our human quest for something or other goes on until the earth explodes.
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It’s about progressive’s and their evil doings
as if we have never had a Republican President or a Republican house or senate or in your world they are progressives Prinos
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12-23-2020, 07:13 PM
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It’s about progressive’s and their evil doings
as if we have never had a Republican President or a Republican house or senate or in your world they are progressives Prinos
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I don't know exactly what you're trying to say here. And I suspect you don't fully know what I'm saying in the post to which you are responding. Your world of Democrats and Republicans has become a fiction propagated to make us think we have more than a skin deep choice. We apparently live in different worlds and never the twain shall meet.
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12-23-2020, 03:43 PM
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Well, that’s a dark view of the world
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12-23-2020, 04:12 PM
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Well, that’s a dark view of the world
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The world is a place where living things struggle and fight one another to exist. A place where lifeless matter must be harnessed in some way so that life continues. A place where human life has somehow managed to not yet fall into what seems inevitable extinction. To a great degree, we have done so by creating various civilizations, small to great.
We humans have our competitions. For sport or for existence. They seem to be a necessary trait for that survival. However it came about, in order to escape the existential "darkness" of survival, we have strived to create some form of Shangri la. Some place of peace, security, and joy. In this war against the threats to life, we became dominant among living things to the point that we were our greatest threat to each other.
In a unique circumstance in the annals of created civilizations, an advanced people discovered a place where they could be free from the tyrannies of the ruling class model. They were permitted by their isolation from that model to experience what individual freedom was like. And they liked it enough to fight to keep it. And they created a marvelous plan for government that would protect that freedom. As Franklin said, a republic if you can keep it.
It was probably only a matter of time, as the Founders predicted, that the "new world" would succumb to the old pattern. And that plan of government would go the way of the world and become extinct.
You may call that "dark." It is what it is.
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12-23-2020, 08:05 PM
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Well your man who’s saving the world as you like it just pardoned a guy, Charles Kushner, who in case you needed reminding, hatched a plot that involved hiring a prostitute to lure his brother-in-law into having sex in a Bridgewater, New Jersey, motel room as a hidden camera rolled. A tape of the encounter was then sent to Kushner’s sister.
Talk about family values
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12-23-2020, 10:23 PM
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Well your man who’s saving the world as you like it just pardoned a guy, Charles Kushner, who in case you needed reminding, hatched a plot that involved hiring a prostitute to lure his brother-in-law into having sex in a Bridgewater, New Jersey, motel room as a hidden camera rolled. A tape of the encounter was then sent to Kushner’s sister.
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He's not my man. You keep trying to pawn him off on me. It's just another of your never ending flow of lies. I don't care who he pardoned. It's constitutional. And if a liar like you is trying to make some negative story about it, there's probably more to the story and no incentive you've given me to believe anything you say.
And I don't know why a lying snake like you thinks he has any creds to talk about or support family values. You want to pile the blame on Trump for leading us into fascism, or authoritarianism, or a Nazi state? Yeah, well its people like you who prefer giving more power over to the political movement that has actually been leading us into anti freedom, anti family values, anti individual agency, groupism, and the general destruction of the republic that was founded--all in order to give us over to a softly despotic government that is cousin to all the isms that you want to lay on Trump because you hate him and have to tell lie after lie to convince the rest of us to hate and fear him and that he had to go.
He's been your nightmare, not mine. I hope him well, considering what the likes of you has done to him. Other than that, I don't care about him. Whatever little temporary barrier he stood against the Progressive swarm is gone. Maybe the Republican party has learned how to fight against it, if there are enough members to take up that fight with the fearlessness that Trump showed. Or they can just go cowering back into their me too corner with their thumbs in their mouth, McCain or Romney-like with their smug, mealy mouthed, politically correct version of "presidential" so they can get a few nods of approval from the NYT or NBC. And maybe even your vote every now and then. But only if they keep moving along with the rest of the Progressive movement which is making it easier for the ruling class to herd us into the little niches they give us space to inhabit.
And, yeah, they will have to give us the impression that they are creating the little Shangri la of pleasant distractions made available to us via the IT control it is harnessing to replace the outdated notion of self worth with an endless array of entertainment at our fingertips. And whatever government created job or subsidy that is enough to keep us in a robotic state of satisfaction. Maybe more golf courses. Fishing may get more and more regulated.
The regulators will make it easier to depend on them rather than family, especially make it easy not to keep producing too many babies that family folks are prone to do. That sort of thing creates too many problems for an authoritarian state. The larger the population, the more difficult to control without physical force. Soft despotism requires a smaller, softer, pliant, population.
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12-23-2020, 10:45 PM
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He's not my man. You keep trying to pawn him off on me. It's just another of your never ending flow of lies. I don't care who he pardoned. It's constitutional. And if a liar like you is trying to make some negative story about it, there's probably more to the story and no incentive you've given me to believe anything you say.
And I don't know why a lying snake like you thinks he has any creds to talk about or support family values. You want to pile the blame on Trump for leading us into fascism, or authoritarianism, or a Nazi state? Yeah, well its people like you who prefer giving more power over to the political movement that has actually been leading us into anti freedom, anti family values, anti individual agency, groupism, and the general destruction of the republic that was founded--all in order to give us over to a softly despotic government that is cousin to all the isms that you want to lay on Trump because you hate him and have to tell lie after lie to convince the rest of us to hate and fear him and that he had to go.
He's been your nightmare, not mine. I hope him well, considering what the likes of you has done to him. Other than that, I don't care about him. Whatever little temporary barrier he stood against the Progressive swarm is gone. Maybe the Republican party has learned how to fight against it, if there are enough members to take up that fight with the fearlessness that Trump showed. Or they can just go cowering back into their me too corner with their thumbs in their mouth, McCain or Romney-like with their smug, mealy mouthed, politically correct version of "presidential" so they can get a few nods of approval from the NYT or NBC. And maybe even your vote every now and then. But only if they keep moving along with the rest of the Progressive movement which is making it easier for the ruling class to herd us into the little niches they give us space to inhabit.
And, yeah, they will have to give us the impression that they are creating the little Shangri la of pleasant distractions made available to us via the IT control it is harnessing to replace the outdated notion of self worth with an endless array of entertainment at our fingertips. And whatever government created job or subsidy that is enough to keep us in a robotic state of satisfaction. Maybe more golf courses. Fishing may get more and more regulated.
The regulators will make it easier to depend on them rather than family, especially make it easy not to keep producing too many babies that family folks are prone to do. That sort of thing creates too many problems for an authoritarian state. The larger the population, the more difficult to control without physical force. Soft despotism requires a smaller, softer, pliant, population.
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You could be all set with the government of your dreams in Hungary, Poland or Turkey
Good strong leaders not putting up with all the globalist baloney.
Remember this statement “I thought Orban was fulfilling the wishes of the majority of the Hungarian people. He was duly elected wasn't he? What is the undemocratic power that he has developed? Is hungry no longer a democracy?”
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Putin smiles. Success beyond his wildest dreams. Surely he thought this useful idiot could not destroy this much this fast.
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12-23-2020, 10:51 PM
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Putin smiles. Success beyond his wildest dreams. Surely he thought this useful idiot could not destroy this much this fast.
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Further continuation of your idiotic lies. Putin doesn't have the leverage to control or influence us. China does. And China, not Trump, nor even our bumbling state governors and legislators, are responsible for the destruction you speak of. Trump's policies, BTW, are creating a faster recovery than thought possible. Oh, oh, that's right, it's all a continuation of Obama's economy.
No doubt Biden will see to it that China will be appropriately punished. Mabey with more lucrative deals there for hunter and the Biden family.
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12-24-2020, 12:13 AM
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You could be all set with the government of your dreams in Hungary, Poland or Turkey
Good strong leaders not putting up with all the globalist baloney.
Remember this statement “I thought Orban was fulfilling the wishes of the majority of the Hungarian people. He was duly elected wasn't he? What is the undemocratic power that he has developed? Is hungry no longer a democracy?”
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Again, with your lies. The only government of my dreams at this point is the one created by our Founders. Never said that Hungary, Poland, or Turkey had the government of my dreams.
My question re Orban was sarcastic. Constantly referring to "our democracy" rather than our Republic is a small piece of the way our system of government is transformed. We are not a democracy. Although, we are trending more and more to be one. The notion is certainly implanted in our brains by our ruling class politicians who really don't like our republican form of democratic constitutionalism. It's one of the plethora of verbal tricks and redefinitions our Progressive ruling class foists on us to help ease the mental transition to an administrative form of government.
So, yes Hungary is a "democracy," not necessarily in the mode that the EU would like, but one, nonetheless, where elections are held to determine the government leaders. There may be, however, various forms of rigging, which democracies are prone to, and which occur in the U.S. and it's various states. So there's your precious "democracy." As we become more and more of one, not constrained by constitutional checks and balance (you know--like how Progressive government theory detests the notion that government can be checked) we can expect things like Orban. I know you think Trump is an American version of Orban, or Hitler, but that's a stretch. Being nationalistic is not being dictatorial. And it wasn't Trump who shut the country down a la Orban. That was not his wish. He worked to open up the economy which frees up our individual initiatives. It's the left who demanded and keeps demanding shutdowns, lockdowns, bans on individual and even group behavior, who can stay in business and who goes bankrupt. It is our Progressive element that mimics "democratic" authoritarian regulators. Covid provided them with an opportunity to further acclimate us to unchecked, unlimited government.
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Freedom in America 2020:
In our Very Serious Country Full of Real Grownups, a strip club was open during a pandemic and people can own AK-47 rifles so that when they have a temper tantrum over having to wear masks, they can make a run at a mass killing.
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Freedom in America 2020:
In our Very Serious Country Full of Real Grownups, a strip club was open during a pandemic and people can own AK-47 rifles so that when they have a temper tantrum over having to wear masks, they can make a run at a mass killing.
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Well, that’s a dark view of the world
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“Do you believe a president can lawfully issue a pardon in exchange for the recipient’s promise to not incriminate him?” Sen. Patrick J. Leahy of Vermont asked during Barr’s January 2019 confirmation hearing.
“No, that would be a crime,” Barr said in response.
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“Do you believe a president can lawfully issue a pardon in exchange for the recipient’s promise to not incriminate him?” Sen. Patrick J. Leahy of Vermont asked during Barr’s January 2019 confirmation hearing.
“No, that would be a crime,” Barr said in response.
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You don't like Barr and I don't like Leahy, so that's a wash. The commission of a crime has to be proven. If your insinuating Trump committed a crime, that's all it is, an insinuation. You do that (insinuate, conjecture, create innuendo) maybe even more than you lie. But, then, insinuation in order to make it seem that something is real, is a sort of lie.
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12-24-2020, 04:09 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete F.
“Do you believe a president can lawfully issue a pardon in exchange for the recipient’s promise to not incriminate him?” Sen. Patrick J. Leahy of Vermont asked during Barr’s January 2019 confirmation hearing.
“No, that would be a crime,” Barr said in response.
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Just a historical quote, for the record.
We’ll see what happens with a new AG and the evidence, won’t we.
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Lets Go Darwin
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12-24-2020, 10:56 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete F.
Just a historical quote, for the record.
We’ll see what happens with a new AG and the evidence, won’t we.
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There are a lot of "histsorical quotes" made by you re Mueller report and impeachment . . . and we saw what happened.
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12-24-2020, 10:58 PM
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Tweety obstructed justice and then rewarded his accomplices with pardons?
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12-25-2020, 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
Tweety obstructed justice and then rewarded his accomplices with pardons?
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Trump didn't
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01-03-2021, 03:33 PM
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Trump is still holding on to conspiracy theories and wide spread voter fraud, in spite of court after court throwing it out if they even take up the case. Now Trump spends an hour on the phone attempting to encourage the Secretary of State in George to essentially commit a felony by coming up with enough Trump votes to overturn the election results. Thankfully he was told repeatedly in essence it’s over, you lost and your information is wrong.
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01-03-2021, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Got Stripers
Trump is still holding on to conspiracy theories and wide spread voter fraud, in spite of court after court throwing it out if they even take up the case. Now Trump spends an hour on the phone attempting to encourage the Secretary of State in George to essentially commit a felony by coming up with enough Trump votes to overturn the election results. Thankfully he was told repeatedly in essence it’s over, you lost and your information is wrong.
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Just listened to the audio highlights, crazy is that it's no surprise just Typical Trump. It sounded like the GA election officials we're having a hard time not just laughing at him.
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01-04-2021, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
Just listened to the audio highlights, crazy is that it's no surprise just Typical Trump. It sounded like the GA election officials we're having a hard time not just laughing at him.
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Read the transcript. Pretty pathetic.
Trump: And the minimum, there were 18,000 ballots, but they used them three times. So that’s, you know, a lot of votes. And they were all to Biden, by the way, that’s the other thing we didn’t say. You know the [name], one thing I forgot to say which was the most important. Do you know that every single ballot she did went to Biden? You know that, right? Do you know that, by the way, Brad?
Every single ballot that she did through the machine at early, early in the morning, went to Biden. Did you know that, Ryan?
GERMANY: That’s not accurate, Mr. President.
TRUMP: Huh. What is accurate?
GERMANY: The numbers that we are showing are accurate.
Mic Drop on whiny POTUS
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Bryan
Originally Posted by #^^^^^^^^^^^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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01-03-2021, 05:53 PM
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EVERY living Secretary of Defense has signed onto a statement:
Involving the military in election disputes would cross into dangerous territory.
These people are neither partisans or alarmists.
That they chose as a group to do this should worry all American patriots
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01-03-2021, 06:35 PM
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Long live the king or so he thought that’s how this reality TV show would end.
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