All He Does Is Fight

[detbuch]

Run the government?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Run the government?

Still waiting for the papers on this, though maybe he meant something else.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Still waiting for the papers on this, though maybe he meant something else.

Like all other humans, including all past POTUS's, he sometimes makes mistakes. Maybe he thinks that under a presidential national emergency a President has total power. Wait for the papers

[wdmso]

Trump officials blame U.S. death toll on CDC handling, Americans’ preexisting health conditions

Every one elses fault.. if TRUMPS people ran the titanic.. the excuses would have went like this if they knew how to swim it would be as bad, if they were takers they would have been able to buy better tickets and not get stuck in the hold.. or just their fault for getting on the ship in the 1st place
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[wdmso]

Navarro: China Deliberately Allowed Coronavirus to Spread Outside Its Borders

Classic and the faithful response


Of course they allowed it to spread because it was a planned biological attack against the United States and all the European
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Navarro: China Deliberately Allowed Coronavirus to Spread Outside Its Borders

Classic and the faithful response


Of course they allowed it to spread because it was a planned biological attack against the United States and all the European
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Do you think China just made a mistake when they stopped travel to and from Wuhan to the rest of China when the virus hit, but it allowed millions to travel to the rest of the world from wuhan and from the rest of the world to Wuhan at that same time? That it was just a little slip in judgment? Just a bureaucratic error?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Do you think China just made a mistake when they stopped travel to and from Wuhan to the rest of China when the virus hit, but it allowed millions to travel to the rest of the world from wuhan and from the rest of the world to Wuhan at that same time? That it was just a little slip in judgment? Just a bureaucratic error?

nothing this administration says, can be true. everything is a lie. if trump says “ two plus two is four”, these people would shriek “the hell it is”.
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[Pete F.]

"So far we have lost nobody to coronavirus in the United States and you wonder if the press is in hysteria mode"

Do you think Trump was lying when he said he believed Xi?

Dead to date 91,306

Don't be Eric

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

"So far we have lost nobody to coronavirus in the United States and you wonder if the press is in hysteria mode"

That may have been true at that time.

Do you think Trump was lying when he said he believed Xi?

Possibly. Suppose it depends on what thing Xi said that DT said he believed. Or maybe he was just being diplomatic. He certainly has doubts about some of the things Xi says now.

Dead to date 91,306

Ooops. That may have been true at the time, but it's probably a bit higher now. Stay with it and keep letting us know.

Don't be Eric

You too. And don't be Adam Schiff. He's probably told way more significant lies than Eric.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

nothing this administration says, can be true. everything is a lie. if trump says “ two plus two is four”, these people would shriek “the hell it is”.
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Jim thats what happens when you Lie ...please read the fable of the boy who cried wolf


Trump and his administration have squandered all the credibility they had long before Covid 19 ...

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Jim thats what happens when you Lie ...please read the fable of the boy who cried wolf


Trump and his administration have squandered all the credibility they had long before Covid 19 ...

I'd say you guys, the ones who keep saying life as we know it cannot survive Trump, are the ones who need to read it.

I agree he's a liar. That doesn't mean every single thing he says, even the obvious, is false. You guys have a reflexive reaction to everything he says and does, a reaction that doesn't involve your brain at all.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Do you think China just made a mistake when they stopped travel to and from Wuhan to the rest of China when the virus hit, but it allowed millions to travel to the rest of the world from wuhan and from the rest of the world to Wuhan at that same time? That it was just a little slip in judgment? Just a bureaucratic error?

do you think chinese had a virus net to stop it .. we couldn't stop it and still can't but you expect a different standard from the chinese


I doubt millions left wuhan to travel the world I do know

430,000 People Have Traveled From China to U.S. Since Coronavirus Surfaced
There were 1,300 direct flights to 17 cities before President Trump’s travel restrictions. Since then, nearly 40,000 Americans and other authorized travelers have made the trip,

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

do you think chinese had a virus net to stop it .. we couldn't stop it and still can't but you expect a different standard from the chinese


I doubt millions left wuhan to travel the world I do know

430,000 People Have Traveled From China to U.S. Since Coronavirus Surfaced
There were 1,300 direct flights to 17 cities before President Trump’s travel restrictions. Since then, nearly 40,000 Americans and other authorized travelers have made the trip,

You're saying China had no way to stop its residents from boarding international flights, and no way to stop foreigners from entering?

Do you understand how stupid that is? Again, you have to immediately embrace any anti-Trump explanation you can come up with, no matter how absurd it is. There's overwhelming evidence of what China did.

We "didn't" stop it. Not the same as "couldn't". We could have stopped it, but you all would have had exploded heads if Trump immediately banned anyone from coming or going back in December.

Taiwan stopped it, and they were way, way more at risk than we were. They had the will. We didn't even want to allow Trump to restrict travel from China, they all said the virus wasn't that bad.

When Trump wanted to act early on, they said he was overreacting. Now the same exact people, say he didn't do enough. That is a clear cut example of wanting to have it both ways. A common liberal trait.

China had no way to limit travel more than they did. How can you say that with a straight face?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

You're saying China had no way to stop its residents from boarding international flights, and no way to stop foreigners from entering?

Do you understand how stupid that is? Again, you have to immediately embrace any anti-Trump explanation you can come up with, no matter how absurd it is. There's overwhelming evidence of what China did.

We "didn't" stop it. Not the same as "couldn't". We could have stopped it, but you all would have had exploded heads if Trump immediately banned anyone from coming or going back in December.

Taiwan stopped it, and they were way, way more at risk than we were. They had the will. We didn't even want to allow Trump to restrict travel from China, they all said the virus wasn't that bad.

When Trump wanted to act early on, they said he was overreacting. Now the same exact people, say he didn't do enough. That is a clear cut example of wanting to have it both ways. A common liberal trait.

China had no way to limit travel more than they did. How can you say that with a straight face?

So with a straight face are you suggesting China should have detained Americans from returning Home or other foreign nationals from returning.. funny you have great hindsight when it comes to China
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you dont seem to have the same hindsight with Trump's response


lets keep this simple.. do you agree with Navaro yes or no


Navarro: China Deliberately Allowed Coronavirus to Spread Outside Its Borders



saying they could have done more is not the issue. of course they could have done more Same goes for Trump..

But that's not what Navaro said : is it ...


and if yes How so??

[Pete F.]

Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine cause a wide spectrum of neuropsychiatric manifestations, including agitation, insomnia, confusion, mania, hallucinations, paranoia, depression, catatonia, psychosis, and suicidal ideation. Stopping the drug could lead to resolution, but symptoms may not quickly resolve.
Now we can see the unfortunate causation for Trump*s recent rants.
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[Jim in CT]

Pete, are Trumps numbers collapsing, especially in swing states? CNN did a recent poll that had Biden up nationally, but had Trump up big in the swing states. I still don't know that I see Trump winning, but he's not collapsing the way you are trying to portray it.

[Pete F.]

Since the first huckster walked the planet, people who sell fake cures always pretend to take them.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Since the first huckster walked the planet, people who sell fake cures always pretend to take them.

Is Trump manufacturing hydroxychloroquine?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Is Trump manufacturing hydroxychloroquine?

Not likely, manufacturing things is never part of a con.
He’s just pushing it and nobody told him about the side effects.
Remember “I take no responsibility at all”.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Not likely, manufacturing things is never part of a con.
He’s just pushing it and nobody told him about the side effects.
Remember “I take no responsibility at all”.
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He has mentioned the side effects several times. Actually, nothing you said here makes any sense.

[Pete F.]

I make no sense, listen to this fool.

He is spinning his failure into a good thing and you applaud him.

If a million were dead, he would tell you it could have been 2 million, but for him.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I make no sense, listen to this fool.

He is spinning his failure into a good thing and you applaud him.

If a million were dead, he would tell you it could have been 2 million, but for him.

Your spinning it as his failure. And he wasn't saying that an actual larger number of cases would be a good thing, but that the greater amount of testing finds more cases (the greater number to which he was referring) than would otherwise be known.

I would think that would be considered a good thing for those who consider testing to be the answer since finding more of the actual existing cases can result in more effective tracing and a better chance to contain the spread.

I'm sure that if a million were dead, you would say that if Obama or Biden were President there would have been only a few thousand or less dead.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Your spinning it as his failure. And he wasn't saying that an actual larger number of cases would be a good thing, but that the greater amount of testing finds more cases (the greater number to which he was referring) than would otherwise be known.

I would think that would be considered a good thing for those who consider testing to be the answer since finding more of the actual existing cases can result in more effective tracing and a better chance to contain the spread.

I'm sure that if a million were dead, you would say that if Obama or Biden were President there would have been only a few thousand or less dead.

No, what I would say is

1. He can’t brag about the economy, because we’re in a depression.

2. He can’t brag about his response to the virus, because it was #^&#^&#^&#^&ty.

3. So his campaign is gonna be a whole bunch of “voter fraud,” “Obama,” & the “deep state.”

4. Because he thinks his voters are stupid.

Is he right?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

No, what I would say is

1. He can’t brag about the economy, because we’re in a depression.

2. He can’t brag about his response to the virus, because it was #^&#^&#^&#^&ty.

3. So his campaign is gonna be a whole bunch of “voter fraud,” “Obama,” & the “deep state.”

4. Because he thinks his voters are stupid.

Is he right?
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"He can’t brag about the economy, because we’re in a depression"

(1) The thing is, you didn't give him any credit for the economy, before the impact of the virus.
(2) we aren't in a depression, no one is starving, people aren't losing their homes in big numbers, investment bankers aren't jumping out of windows. The economy didn't fail, it didn't even sputter. We chose to turn it off. Some states are slowly opening back up, and there's every reason to believe that most lost jobs will come back.
(3) I don't think most people blame Trump for the effects of the virus. Back in December, no one was advocating for the policies that might have helped us keep the virus out. In fact, most democrats and media pundits said that the one thing Trump did (restricting travel from China) was an over reaction.
(4) recent polling shows that Americans trust Trump on the economy more than they trust Biden.
(5) the Dow was at 20,000 when he took office. 3.5 years later, it's at 24,500. Is that a Depression? Unemployment is a disaster.

"He can’t brag about his response to the virus, because it was #^&#^&#^&#^&ty."

The polls don't suggest that. Attached is the most recent one I could find specific to the virus, he was at 50-50. So you can shriek this all you want. People don't agree with you. His personal behavior at the briefings was predictably bad. His policies, are not unpopular. Ask Govs Cuomo and Newsom.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/309593/...situation.aspx

"So his campaign is gonna be a whole bunch of “voter fraud,” “Obama,” & the “deep state.”

nope. He can legitimately claim some credit for what the economy was doing before we deliberately shut it off. He can claim some credit for the federal stimulus policies that are popular and that have kept the DJIA in the mid-20s, which I can't believe it didn't go much lower than that. He can claim credit for the fact that deaths will be nowhere near what was originally predicted. He can claim that Biden, as VP, was part of an administration that was likely involved in some serious fishiness regarding the Russia claims, and you can bet that Durham's investigation will conclude at a time most beneficial to the re-election. He can claim credit for keeping us safe from jihadists. He can claim credit for appointing the kinds of judges that people who elected him, wanted him to appoint. He can claim credit for helping to decrease tax rates for 60% of Americans, and for incentivizing American companies to bring back $2 trillion in profits that had been stored overseas. And he can claim that his opponent is a senile old jerk who can no longer string two sentences together, who is best known for being a democrat attack dog who calls everyone who opposes him, a racist...and who also has a problem with women. He can claim that Biden said that Trumps travel restrictions were an overreaction (meaning he didn't think the virus was serious enough to do that). He can claim he has been a friend to the unborn and to Christians.

That's not the whole story, obviously. There's all kinds of fair criticism. He's a jerk, he didn't build the wall he promised, etc...but if you think he has nothing to campaign on, we will see how wrong you are.

"Because he thinks his voters are stupid. Is he right?"

What do you think an intelligent Republican should do in November, Pete? Stay home? Vote for Biden? Move to San Francisco and become a folk singer of sociology professor?

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Because he thinks his voters are stupid.

Is he right?

It's more likely that he thinks people like you are stupid.

[Pete F.]

The Stable Genius demonstrates his intelligence

"per capita relative to what?"

“When you say per capita, there's many per capitas...”

Trump yesterday: Mail-in voting leads to “forgeries” and “thousands and thousands of fake ballots.”

Trump campaign email yesterday to PA supporters: “Request your ballot and cast your vote from your own home.”

I don’t need to make stuff up like President Tweety and his accomplices
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I don’t need to make stuff up like President Tweety and his accomplices

And yet you do.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Trump yesterday: Mail-in voting leads to “forgeries” and “thousands and thousands of fake ballots.”

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"Absentee ballots remain the largest source of potential voter fraud" - said Jimmy Carter, when heading a 2005 report on federal election issues. Jimmy Carter.

When Donald Trump and Jimmy Carter both agree on the issue, it's pretty mush settled. That's the whole spectrum. Except for you. You are further out in the tail than both of those guys.

[Pete F.]

The art of the selective quote
Trump yesterday: Mail-in voting leads to “forgeries” and “thousands and thousands of fake ballots.”

Trump campaign email yesterday to PA supporters: “Request your ballot and cast your vote from your own home.”

He has less of a coherent message than his supporters
If you have no core belief, you never can sustain one.
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[Pete F.]

Voting by mail does not help Democrats more than Republicans and does not incubate fraud — but does generate a bit more turnout, a pair of academic studies out Thursday conclude.

The twin reports, one from Stanford and the other from the Union of Concerned Scientists, come as the debate about making elections more flexible in the face of the coronavirus has become increasingly partisan.
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