What the Epoch Times forgets to mention

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by PaulS

If I ignored you the first time what makes you think I could care enough to respond this time?
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I thought you might be a bit consistent. You want us not to ignore Pete F's bullet points. I wrongly figured that you would reciprocate what you want others to do, and not ignore what they post.

Now I know better.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by detbuch

I thought you might be a bit consistent.

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he's afraid

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by PaulS

If I ignored you the first time what makes you think I could care enough to respond this time?
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Why not debate him PaulS? It would be fun to watch you match wits. Surely you are confident enough and I have seen you express yourself clearly on occasion. Show off your intellect.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Why not debate him PaulS? It would be fun to watch you match wits. Surely you are confident enough and I have seen you express yourself clearly on occasion. Show off your intellect.
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You mean like how I debate other people while you don't say anything other than throw out unintelligent, petty, childish, vile, scummy insults?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

If I ignored you the first time what makes you think I could care enough to respond this time?
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Just grow a pair and either respond, or admit he's right. What are you afraid will happen if you do so. In all honesty, what are you afraid will happen?

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Just grow a pair and either respond, or admit he's right. What are you afraid will happen if you do so. In all honesty, what are you afraid will happen?

I dont read his posts. Go look at the response he just posted. Who wants to go through all that. I know you've been a little ignorant lately but it's not about growing a pair it's about wasting time reading through all that.
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[Pete F.]

I saw who posted and figured I probably made a spelling mistake, the horror........

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I saw who posted and figured I probably made a spelling mistake, the horror........

No, just a snarky comment
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[Pete F.]

"Your ilk called him a dictator for doing the one (halfassed) thing he did!"

Oh poor Trumplican, victimized again, unfortunately you keep repeating lies.

Here is what your "ilk" is buying into..............he always repeats the scam he's done before......just watch and you will hear the words he's using now

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The plan has protocols for leaders to follow, claiming it was only one person, it is only a few, it will disappear one day like a miracle is not a part of the protocol nor anything that any rational leader would do in the fface of a threat.

What protocols did Trump not follow? And why do you insist that Trump alone is responsible for following protocols? There is no way that Trump could be held responsible for the failure of state and local negligence, nor even the failure of the CDC to produce test kits on time. And he led above and beyond by correcting the failures of the state and local governments and he and his team did address regulatory rules that impeded the CDC.

I could give a #^&#^&#^&#^& about a Mayor, but let's look at what Trump* has done to restrict Congressional oversight under his administration. He has refused to comply with any Congressional requests, do you think that it occurs like a miracle one day the information just appears?

You're not giving an expletive about the executive in charge of and responsible for (along with the governor) the plan's protocols for the city with the largest occurrence of the outbreak. That's a huge chunk of responsibility that you want to shuffle onto Trump. Which congressional request are you referring to? Nancy makes a lot of ridiculous requests.

10 January 2020

WHO issued a comprehensive package of technical guidance online with advice to all countries on how to detect, test and manage potential cases, based on what was known about the virus at the time. This guidance was shared with WHO's regional emergency directors to share with WHO representatives in countries.

14 January 2020
WHO's technical lead for the response noted in a press briefing there may have been limited human-to-human transmission of the coronavirus (in the 41 confirmed cases), mainly through family members, and that there was a risk of a possible wider outbreak. The lead also said that human-to-human transmission would not be surprising given our experience with SARS, MERS and other respiratory pathogens.

"May have" and "would not be surprising" are not definitive.

Then there's this from WHO:

9 January 2020: WHO advises against travel or trade restrictions on China and does not recommend any specific measures for travelers. And praises China for its identification of the virus in such a short time as well as its capacity to manage new outbreaks. It also stresses that "the virus does not spread readily between people."

14 January 2020: WHO issues statement that Chinese authorities recorded no cases of human to human transmission (even though Wuhan doctors raised the possibility of human to human transmission.

22 January 2020: WHO director praises China for its cooperation. A WHO emergency committee concludes that the virus does not constitute a Public Health Emergency of International Concern.

30 January 2020: WHO declares the coronavirus a global health emergency while expressing confidence in China's capacity to control the outbreak.

11 March 2020: WHO declares it a pandemic, and called for countries to take urgent and aggressive action.

And finally:
1 April 2020: U.S. Intelligence reports (secret) that China reported fake numbers.

Now you are acknowledging that he is so weak that his actions are decided not by what is best for the country, but what is best for him politically.

No. Acknowledging what is or isn't feasible given sketchy, incomplete, not completely certain information.

Late January, 2020: HHS sends a letter asking to use its transfer authority to shift $136 million of department funds into pools that could be tapped for combating the coronavirus. White House budget hawks argued that appropriating too much money at once when there were only a few U.S. cases would be viewed as alarmist.

Yes, there was the reluctance to create alarm.

Well your Stable Genius is certainly not capable of weaning anything, he doesn't have enough self control to deal with an umbrella, never mind a foreign government.

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump · Mar 27
Just finished a very good conversation with President Xi of China. Discussed in great detail the CoronaVirus that is ravaging large parts of our Planet. China has been through much & has developed a strong understanding of the Virus. We are working closely together. Much respect!

Trump the dealer talk. Xi knows its shiny BS meant to create a more hospitable tone for negotiation. You do know that China's economy was already declining before the coronavirus hit. And big tariffs were not helping it. No doubt he knows Trumps nicey nicey talk is just butter on a piece of hard crust that that he'd have to chew if he wanted to deal.

Trump is a poster child for being played by China.

I had to bust out laughing when I read this. China has played the US for a fool for decades. Now it has to deal with someone who finally pushes back and puts a major hurt on it.

At the time of this tweet, China was engaged in multi-platform attacks on the American people to bolster their own image and credibility (this tweet helps them with that) and to undermine ours.

China has a lot to thank Trump for.

China is desperately trying to convince the world that the US is the culprit in order to take the too obvious onus off of itself. Looks like you're convinced that will work.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

China is desperately trying to convince the world that the US is the culprit in order to take the too obvious onus off of itself. Looks like you're convinced that will work.

We will sort China's responsibility out later with a different government.
Meanwhile we need to get thru this crisis in our country with the current "leader" who aligned himself with Xi and would rather be golfing.

He downplayed it.
He failed to take action, make no mistake the President is responsible for the administration of the federal government. It's his job.
He is ultimately responsible for the death of thousands of Americans.
If he doesn't feel that, WTF is he even doing in that office?

As someone quoted Eisenhower on this site several days ago: "Leadership consists of nothing but taking responsibility for everything that goes wrong and giving your subordinates credit for everything that goes well."

Leadership is not casting blame on anyone within range. When you point a finger remember that there are four fingers pointing back at you.

Now feel free to just kick my ball into the trap, like Trump*

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

We will sort China's responsibility out later with a different government.
Meanwhile we need to get thru this crisis in our country with the current "leader" who aligned himself with Xi and would rather be golfing.

He downplayed it.
He failed to take action, make no mistake the President is responsible for the administration of the federal government. It's his job.
He is ultimately responsible for the death of thousands of Americans.
If he doesn't feel that, WTF is he even doing in that office?

As someone quoted Eisenhower on this site several days ago: "Leadership consists of nothing but taking responsibility for everything that goes wrong and giving your subordinates credit for everything that goes well."

Leadership is not casting blame on anyone within range. When you point a finger remember that there are four fingers pointing back at you.

Now feel free to just kick my ball into the trap, like Trump*

OK, so when you don't cut and paste someone else's stuff and have to resort to writing your own, it often results in ad hominem bilge like your post here.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

OK, so when you don't cut and paste someone else's stuff and have to resort to writing your own, it often results in ad hominem bilge like your post here.

Since you are the master of regurgitation or re-visualization, you are not exhibiting presentable footwedge skills at all.

It must be tiring to be on the continually failing team, especially when they told you that you would get sick of winning, or did they say whining?

Oh, by the way
Tomorrow we will be way past "someday like a miracle it will go away". Fifty thousand past that.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Since you are the master of regurgitation or re-visualization, you are not exhibiting presentable footwedge skills at all.

It must be tiring to be on the continually failing team, especially when they told you that you would get sick of winning, or did they say whining?

Exactly . . . or whatever

[Jim in CT]

paul, how could
you know that pelosi and
diblasio shouldn’t have known better when they made those statements? you defended them
by saying they don’t get trumps briefings. but how do you know, how could
you possibly know, what briefings they do get?

if you claim trump
should have known better in january, how do you know they shouldn’t have known better in late february?
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

paul, how could
you know that pelosi and
diblasio shouldn’t have known better when they made those statements? you defended them
by saying they don’t get trumps briefings. but how do you know, how could
you possibly know, what briefings they do get?

if you claim trump
should have known better in january, how do you know they shouldn’t have known better in late february?
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Because you and your ilk fail to acknowledge that they did not get the briefings that he had.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Because you and your ilk fail to acknowledge that they did not get the briefings that he had.
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so you’re saying that trump knew more in january, than pelosi and diblasio knew in late february. how could you know that? i know that satisfies your need to put all blame in trump, but that doesn’t make it so.

your story is that trump knew how serious this was in january, but the speaker of the house, and the mayor of new york, didn’t know that in late february.

you’re sticking with that?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Because you and your ilk fail to acknowledge that they did not get the briefings that he had.
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For the tenth time, how do you know what briefings Nancy Pelosi and Bill Diblasio had?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

For the tenth time, how do you know what briefings Nancy Pelosi and Bill Diblasio had?

I heard Biden briefed them from his basement

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

I heard Biden briefed them from his basement

That debate is going to be one for the ages.

[Pete F.]

A couple of simple questions

The USA has the most comprehensive spy satellites, analysis systems and intelligence analysts in the world.
True or false?
The USA knew in mid to late December that traffic was severely diminished in Wuhan.
True or false?
The intelligence community failed to alert the administration of this when they knew it?
True or false?
In combination with other intelligence reports, WHO reports and allied intelligence there was obviously something happening in the Wuhan vicinity.
True or false?
Nobody knew.
True or false?

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

A couple of simple questions

The USA has the most comprehensive spy satellites, analysis systems and intelligence analysts in the world.
True or false?
The USA knew in mid to late December that traffic was severely diminished in Wuhan.
True or false?
The intelligence community failed to alert the administration of this when they knew it?
True or false?
In combination with other intelligence reports, WHO reports and allied intelligence there was obviously something happening in the Wuhan vicinity.
True or false?
Nobody knew.
True or false?

Elementary!

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Elementary!

Trump*s next presser will replace Fauci with Dr Phil, a Michigan militia guy with a "Coronna can kiss my Confederate ass" tattoo, and 3 family members of people who died of the flu during Obama's presidency.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Trump*s next presser will replace Fauci with Dr Phil, a Michigan militia guy with a "Coronna can kiss my Confederate ass" tattoo, and 3 family members of people who died of the flu during Obama's presidency.

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well pete...you are usually right about these things

[Sea Dangles]

Tic
Tac
Toe
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[Pete F.]

Where did anyone say Trump* should have done a lockdown in January?
Someone is making stuff up again to justify his narrative
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Where did anyone say Trump* should have done a lockdown in January?
Someone is making stuff up again to justify his narrative
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The entire left is saying he blew it in January, that he should have done much more. Sorry, I leaped to lockdown. You've been posting nonstop that he didn't take it nearly seriously enough. So can you tell us what you think he should have done in January, based on what he knew at that time?

You're saying that the travel restrictions (all he did) wasn't nearly enough. But you say I'm wrong when I say the left wanted him to implement the lockdown that we are currently living with. SO tell me, then, if you think he should have done a lot more, what specifically should he have done, if not the current lockdown?

[Sea Dangles]

I believe him
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

There are reasons Don the Con is asked tough questions.

This is one of those short, out of context, misleading videos that you like to post that supposedly make Trump look incompetent, evil, stupid, wrong, and a threat to the survival of America, and possibly that of the world.

In actuality, the video not only selects part of the facts, leaving out the rest of the story, it turns the truth on its head. The truth is the opposite of what the video intends to portray. Here is an article by Ed Morrissey which relates a WaPo fact check by Glenn Kessler:

Consider this one of the dumber tropes to emerge from Democrats over the last few weeks of coronavirus theater, and — as Glenn Kessler demonstrates — one of the more easily refuted. The Democratic super-PAC supporting Joe Biden amplified an accusation bouncing around on social media of late, which is that Donald Trump so miscalculated the COVID-19 pandemic that he robbed the US of its personal protective equipment in order to assist China. That, they hint, is why America faces a PPE shortage now:

“Trump gave China more than praise. He shipped China 17 tons of American masks and medical supplies. Our masks and supplies. Supplies we need now.”

Did Trump send masks and other PPE to China just when we needed it the most? No, Kessler says in his fact check at the Washington Post. All Trump did was supply the transport for private donations of PPE on the front part of the effort to evacuate Americans from China:

The ad says that “Trump … shipped 17 tons of American masks and medical supplies. Our masks and supplies.” The impression left by the ad is that these were U.S. government goods, shipped on Trump’s order.

But these were actually donations by private charities and public companies for Project HOPE, an international health-care organization that has been operating in Wuhan for a quarter-century and helped establish a nursing school there. Usually, donors to Project HOPE arrange for charter aircraft to take their donations overseas.

For instance, as these shipments arrived in Wuhan, another shipment — 2 million respirator masks, 11,000 protective suits and 280,000 pairs of nitrile gloves donated by MAP International and MedShare — was sent to Project HOPE via UPS, which provided the transportation as an in-kind donation.

In the case highlighted in the ad, the State Department’s role was providing the aircraft. The department sent charted planes to Wuhan to pick up some 800 consulate workers, their families and other Americans. The planes otherwise were going to be empty on the way to China, so officials decided to fill the jets with goods donated by Samaritan’s Purse, the Boeing Company, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and Intermountain Healthcare.

In fact, it didn’t cost taxpayers anything for shipping the goods, although that doesn’t apply to the State Department’s evacuation effort:

Money to help underwrite the effort was provided by Kenneth Griffin, a hedge fund manager who is chief executive of the investment firm Citadel.

How difficult was this to determine? Kessler did his own research, talking with Project HOPE’s CEO, but he also notes that the major donors involved all put out press releases at the time to highlight their charitable efforts. Those include Boeing, which chipped in 250K medical masks, as well as the Mormon Church, which added 220,000 more. Kessler also notes that the World Health Organization was pleading for donations of PPE from around the world in an effort to contain the outbreak to China — which by February 7 was already a lost cause, thanks in large part to WHO’s parroting of China’s propaganda:

"There is limited stock of PPE and we need to make sure we get it to the people who need it most in the places that need it most. … WHO discourages stockpiling of PPE in countries and areas where transmission is low.”

In other words, the same people who are hyperventilating over Trump’s snubs of WHO are now trying to blame him for something Trump didn’t do in the first place — and for actions that WHO demanded at the time. Only Democrats and demagogues could possibly square that circle.

At any rate, the PPE never did belong to the US government, and Trump didn’t have any authority to seize it, either. If he had seized it in early February, the same people pushing this nonsense would have hyperventilated over that, likely calling Trump a racist and xenophobe for not helping Chinese victims of the Wuhan plague. Kessler gives American Bridge 21st Century two Pinocchios for this false attack:

The line in the ad is carefully, even cleverly, worded, keeping it just shy of the Three Pinocchio mark. But it’s misleading enough to earn Two Pinocchios.

[Pete F.]

There is a daily Trump* Rally at the WH.
Everyone is required to praise Dear Leader, you would think you are in one of the countries with a leader he admires, like Putin, Kim, Erdogan, Xi, Orban, etc.
As I have said before Trump* praises himself more than he deserves, I feel no need to add to his self aggrandizement.

He and his ship of fools are well on the way to sinking this country.

This is the first global crisis in more than a century where no one is even looking to the United States for leadership. And it's not just the fact that Trump* is President, it's the fact that we elected him President in the first place.

All that stuff you claim is not mentioned is covered, just how did you find out about it? Somebody whisper in your ear? Or do you think the news lead should be: "The Great and Magnificent President of the United States, smartest man in the world has once again demonstrated his brilliance, blah, blah, blah"
The press in this country has never functioned as the propaganda arm of the government until Fox. Just how does the Swanson heir criticize or put Trump* down, tell us again.

And then in closing you spout your fallback incantation, But Obama, it seems to be reassuring like a rosary for you.

You still seem unable to comprehend the difference in that under Presidents Bush and Obama they made a conscious decision to have separation occur when parents or guardians where charged with a serious crime.
Under this clown they made sure to separate all of them as part of their government sponsored kidnapping policy, with the hope that it would act as a deterrent.
Of the Eighteen Thousand children separated by this administration Three Thousand still have not been reunited and the official who successfully ran the office to reunite them has now been reassigned by the White House Loyalty Assurance office to another position. How dare the media report that.