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11-20-2019, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
Cherrypicking and slight of hand is all Nunes, Castor, Jordan and Ratcliffe did today.
You’re just easily led
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you lied blatantly about what Starr said. true or false?
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11-20-2019, 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
you lied blatantly about what Starr said. true or false?
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Poor boy
Both direct and circumstantial evidence can be given equal weight in a court of law.
If you get up in the morning and there’s snow on the ground is that evidence that it snowed?
Is it fake news?
Do you think Sondland is stupid and can’t figure out what is wanted, who wants it and why they want it?
Apparently some people are
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11-20-2019, 12:31 PM
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Kicked him -- right in the gut: "I don't know how you can characterize it as an irregular channel if you're talking about the Pres of US, Secretary of State, Chief of Staff, Secretary of Energy."
Castor violated lawyer's maxim, don't ask question you don't know the answer to.
Republicans members of House Intel left the room — only Jordan and Ratcliffe still there.
Are they picking who gets to go visit Floridaman and tell him it's over?
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11-20-2019, 01:32 PM
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What is over?
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11-20-2019, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles
What is over?
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When you finally pull your head out of the sand you will catch up.🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
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11-20-2019, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Got Stripers
When you finally pull your head out of the sand you will catch up.🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
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You can answer if you know.
What is over?
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11-20-2019, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles
You can answer if you know.
What is over?
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In my opinion any question of if Trump orchestrated this plot to get Ukraine to begin the investigations into 2016, Barisma and the Bidens has been proven in the affirmative. Even if you don’t agree and no need to spell it out, what is definitely over is the question of if Trump will be impeached in the house, it will happen. Moscow Mitch will have his trial and Trump can wear his badge of shame to all his 2020 rallies and rail on how he is persecuted.
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11-20-2019, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Got Stripers
In my opinion any question of if Trump orchestrated this plot to get Ukraine to begin the investigations into 2016, Barisma and the Bidens has been proven in the affirmative. Even if you don’t agree and no need to spell it out, what is definitely over is the question of if Trump will be impeached in the house, it will happen. Moscow Mitch will have his trial and Trump can wear his badge of shame to all his 2020 rallies and rail on how he is persecuted.
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So the question is over in your mind? Thank You and good luck.👍🏽
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11-20-2019, 01:41 PM
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I'll let Bryan Gividen's twitter post explain it
I am a pro-religious liberty, pro-life, would snort Cocaine Mitch’s judicial confirmations if I could, kind of conservative.
I will explain exactly once why conservatives should support impeachment based on what is publicly available and undisputed.
At this point, there is no question that President Trump directed U.S. officials to withhold security funding to the Ukraine so Ukraine would investigate the Bidens. That is the kind of abuse of the President’s authority we should not tolerate.
So it is absolutely clear what we are talking about: the President used hundreds of millions of dollars of taxpayer money as a bargaining chip to make a foreign country investigate his rivals. That is a textbook play from dictators who are trying to keep power.
“But the Bidens were corrupt!” No clue if this is true, but I don’t care. Americans don’t outsource their investigations of political rivals to foreign countries, especially ones that are themselves full of corruption and especially not with strings attached.
“But the President has authority over foreign policy!” You’re right, but the President is also accountable for how he uses that authority. And when he begins using it to target Americans to entrench his own power, the Constitution says Congress should act.
“But the President really has authority over foreign policy!” Again, you’re right. But if Donald Trump made the “foreign policy call” to turn over the White House to Vladamir Putin, do you really think we couldn’t stop him?
“Democrats are just trying to overturn the 2016 election.” True that a bunch of Ds would impeach Trump if he had sneezed during the oath of office. But stupidity doesn’t excuse stupidity. We’re asking whether President should be impeached, not whether Democrats are consistent.
“But what about ma’ judges (or abortion or religious liberty or the 2nd Amendment)?” First, realistically, we’re talking about Mike Pence becoming President. He will be as good as Trump was on all of those issues.
“But what about ma’ judges (or abortion or religious liberty or the 2nd Amendment)?” Second, selling out American national security threatens each one of those issues far more than swapping out Trump for Pence.
We Americans often take for granted what our security and freedom mean. In recorded history, few have had it as good as we do for as long as we have. A President willing to sell out Americans for his own power threatens what so many have built & fought & bled & died for.
“But I hate the Democrats.” Even if you do, realize that targeting Americans and selling out national security don’t end with them. Don’t doubt for a second that if Ted Cruz had tried to primary Trump, he’d be next.
Don’t support impeachment because you like the Democrats. Support impeachment because you fear that Donald Trump’s abuse of the presidency threatens your freedom.
That’s it. This is the most overtly political tweet I am likely to have ever. Doubt it will move the needle for anyone, but who knows! Maybe if more conservatives speak out, we can move the needle.
Bryan Gividen
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Attorney. Appellate, securities lit, class actions.
Views are my own & don't represent my firm's or clients' views. Nothing here is legal advice.
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Frasier: Niles, I’ve just had the most marvelous idea for a website! People will post their opinions, cheeky bon mots, and insights, and others will reply in kind!
Niles: You have met “people”, haven’t you?
Lets Go Darwin
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11-20-2019, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
I'll let Bryan Gividen's twitter post explain it
I am a pro-religious liberty, pro-life, would snort Cocaine Mitch’s judicial confirmations if I could, kind of conservative.
I will explain exactly once why conservatives should support impeachment based on what is publicly available and undisputed.
At this point, there is no question that President Trump directed U.S. officials to withhold security funding to the Ukraine so Ukraine would investigate the Bidens. That is the kind of abuse of the President’s authority we should not tolerate.
So it is absolutely clear what we are talking about: the President used hundreds of millions of dollars of taxpayer money as a bargaining chip to make a foreign country investigate his rivals. That is a textbook play from dictators who are trying to keep power.
“But the Bidens were corrupt!” No clue if this is true, but I don’t care. Americans don’t outsource their investigations of political rivals to foreign countries, especially ones that are themselves full of corruption and especially not with strings attached.
“But the President has authority over foreign policy!” You’re right, but the President is also accountable for how he uses that authority. And when he begins using it to target Americans to entrench his own power, the Constitution says Congress should act.
“But the President really has authority over foreign policy!” Again, you’re right. But if Donald Trump made the “foreign policy call” to turn over the White House to Vladamir Putin, do you really think we couldn’t stop him?
“Democrats are just trying to overturn the 2016 election.” True that a bunch of Ds would impeach Trump if he had sneezed during the oath of office. But stupidity doesn’t excuse stupidity. We’re asking whether President should be impeached, not whether Democrats are consistent.
“But what about ma’ judges (or abortion or religious liberty or the 2nd Amendment)?” First, realistically, we’re talking about Mike Pence becoming President. He will be as good as Trump was on all of those issues.
“But what about ma’ judges (or abortion or religious liberty or the 2nd Amendment)?” Second, selling out American national security threatens each one of those issues far more than swapping out Trump for Pence.
We Americans often take for granted what our security and freedom mean. In recorded history, few have had it as good as we do for as long as we have. A President willing to sell out Americans for his own power threatens what so many have built & fought & bled & died for.
“But I hate the Democrats.” Even if you do, realize that targeting Americans and selling out national security don’t end with them. Don’t doubt for a second that if Ted Cruz had tried to primary Trump, he’d be next.
Don’t support impeachment because you like the Democrats. Support impeachment because you fear that Donald Trump’s abuse of the presidency threatens your freedom.
That’s it. This is the most overtly political tweet I am likely to have ever. Doubt it will move the needle for anyone, but who knows! Maybe if more conservatives speak out, we can move the needle.
Bryan Gividen
@BryanGividen
Attorney. Appellate, securities lit, class actions.
Views are my own & don't represent my firm's or clients' views. Nothing here is legal advice.
Dallas, TX Joined May 2019
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So... What is over?
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11-20-2019, 01:54 PM
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Watch the folks who won't meet with the panel and aren't under oath say Sondland is lying.
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11-20-2019, 05:03 PM
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Frasier: Niles, I’ve just had the most marvelous idea for a website! People will post their opinions, cheeky bon mots, and insights, and others will reply in kind!
Niles: You have met “people”, haven’t you?
Lets Go Darwin
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11-20-2019, 05:52 PM
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Why didnt nunes investigate hunter biden when he was in the majority of the intel committee? If it was so urgent
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11-20-2019, 07:22 PM
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Jim
The Starr thing was Faux’s headline whenever I posted it
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11-20-2019, 08:55 PM
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Cooper said that since she testified in private, her staff has brought to her attention emails and other information that show Ukraine was inquiring about the suspended aid on July 25, the same day as the Trump-Zelensky call.
This is a month earlier than previously thought
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11-21-2019, 07:10 AM
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Trump wanted dirty help for his 2020 reelection campaign. He sent messages demanding that dirty help to the Ukrainians directly on the phone and via his henchmen. He stalled military aid to extort the help. The Ukrainians nearly surrendered, until the whistle-blower report reached Congress on September 9 and knocked loose the aid on September 11.
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11-21-2019, 07:11 AM
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I wouldn’t spend that bet money yet, wearing the badge of shame as one of only a few presidents to be impeached is likely to move a lot of undecided to the other side. We also know from experience that once the campaign really gets going after Moscow Mitch holds his fake trial, Trump will show America they haven’t even seen real nasty yet.
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11-21-2019, 07:28 AM
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Who is your favorite candidate at this point?
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11-21-2019, 07:50 AM
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I really like mayor Pete, but he can’t possibly win the nomination without the support of the black community. I hope Warren can’t win and I’d be surprised if she can maintain her momentum. Biden still seems to be the most likely candidate, but we have a long way to go, to answer your question; it’s too early for me to pick my horse.
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11-21-2019, 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Got Stripers
I really like mayor Pete, but he can’t possibly win the nomination without the support of the black community. I hope Warren can’t win and I’d be surprised if she can maintain her momentum. Biden still seems to be the most likely candidate, but we have a long way to go, to answer your question; it’s too early for me to pick my horse.
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you nailed that. pete definitely can’t win the general without massive black support, and it wont be easy.
very early days.
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