US raid against Islamic State

[wdmso]

The president acknowledged that he had informed some Republicans in Congress, the Russians and the Turks But not the house Democrats

He also claimed that Baghdadi's death was "the biggest"

then Lied again stating "had pointed out that the Al-Qaeda leader "had to be killed before he knocked down the World Trade Center" but that "nobody" had heeded his warning." PS Mr Trump never made such a statement in his book..

called people who oppose him Human Scum his press secretary in response They deserve strong language like that.”


Every day Trumps sound more and more like a fascists than an American president.

and his supporter prefer Trump the Fascists over American President

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

You like Trump think small and don’t see this war is far from over and those comments are typical Trump grandstanding.
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has anyone said the war is over?

what should trump have done, once we knew where this guy was? sent him a nice floral arrangement?
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

You like Trump think small

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based on trump's empire...I don't think you can accuse him of ever thinking small

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

You like Trump think small and don’t see this war is far from over and those comments are typical Trump grandstanding.
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You think if we say nice things about them then they will be nice to us. This war will never be over no matter how we treat them.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

You think if we say nice things about them then they will be nice to us. This war will never be over no matter how we treat them.
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Bingo
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

flakeworthy


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[scottw]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Got Stripers View Post
Trump as usual really doesn’t understand Isis or the Islamic terrorist mentality. Losing the leader is important, but it by no means ends their efforts. If fact Trump provided them a wonderful recruitment video that will no doubt be of great help as they move forward. A dog insult in their culture is a low blow and they will use Trumps description of his death to recruit the next generation. In typical Trump fashion, he claimed Isis uses the internet better than anyone except him of course, because he always has to be the best.
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This is a very bad take, Bob.


he must have been watching THE VIEW because that was the identical take that those lunatics had

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Perhaps a letter of apology would be more flakeworthy. If we use rubber bullets will they love us?
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perhaps.
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[wdmso]

al qaeda survived bin laden death and morphed into to todays Isis .. the killing of both of them is a good thing .. but we tend to only kill them long after they killed so many. Until the idea is killed by a resonable standards of living in the middle east they will always be rebuilding in the shadows..

Iraqis are rioting in the streets in vast numbers its an incubator for extremists..

And Trumps granstanding and name calling .(yes he deserved to die a horrible death) and ive heard it before he's says it like it is,or hes not a politician or some just like the tough guy act.. for me it only diminishes the office of The Potus ...

And all my years in the service and correction ..

Those who have done the most been or been in the worst battles .. alway Say the least .. but the message was alway clear..
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Until the idea is killed by a resonable standards of living in the middle east they will always be rebuilding in the shadows..

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very well said. very hard to accomplish.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

it’s ok when obama
pats himself on the back, but unbefitting a potus when trump does it.

The idea that Trump's insulting, fighting language would be an incentive to recruit more ISIS fighters is just propaganda to turn a positive for him into a negative. Just as the left will do, and has done, with every thing that would bolster Trump's approval numbers. The whole impeachment nonsense is for that very purpose. And anything and everything else that can bring his numbers down or keep them from going up can hopefully persuade some more Repub Senators, than the few on board now, to convict in the Senate impeachment trial.

If Trump had said what the Wapo originally said--that Bhagdadi was an austere religious scholar who died, would that have softened the ISIS remnant's desire to quit and be nice. Would they have, because Trump said nice things, decided to be less brutal and less motivated to continue what Baghdadi started? Hell no.

They could care less about any show of "civility." If anything, it would be a sign of weakness. They don't respect that. Their whole MO is based on fear. Power and the fear it evokes is the "language" they respect. They have never required insults against them to give them motivation. What would help them get new recruits is the image that they are powerful, and have the backing of Allah. Doing the will of Allah. Characterizing their leader as being killed in disgrace, dying like a cowardly whining dog would not be an attractive pull for a potential recruit. It would not be an attractive sign of successful power, or of the leader and his movement being sanctioned and protected by their God.

But Spence and the anti-Trumpers on the forum will gladly parrot the propaganda talking point to maintain their narrative of Trump being the ignorant, stupid, danger to "our Democracy."

[Pete F.]

There’s always a Trump tweet for any occasion
10/23/12
The military and Navy Seals should be given more credit for Bin Laden's death, not Obama, who works hard to take all the credit away from them.
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[Sea Dangles]

Keeping America safe makes it easy to believe we will see another term from our great president.
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[JohnR]

There are always those that call out a R prez that the language is too harsh and will just foster more violence.

Then some of those same gloss over that austere religious scholar.

Reason # 136 you have Trump

The #WaPoDeathNotice was hilarious https://twitter.com/search?q=%23WaPo...ypeahead_click

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Trump as usual really doesn’t understand Isis or the Islamic terrorist mentality. Losing the leader is important, but it by no means ends their efforts. If fact Trump provided them a wonderful recruitment video that will no doubt be of great help as they move forward. A dog insult in their culture is a low blow and they will use Trumps description of his death to recruit the next generation. In typical Trump fashion, he claimed Isis uses the internet better than anyone except him of course, because he always has to be the best.
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This is a very bad take, Bob.

Originally Posted by wdmso

al qaeda survived bin laden death and morphed into to todays Isis .. the killing of both of them is a good thing .. but we tend to only kill them long after they killed so many. Until the idea is killed by a resonable standards of living in the middle east they will always be rebuilding in the shadows..

Iraqis are rioting in the streets in vast numbers its an incubator for extremists..

And Trumps granstanding and name calling .(yes he deserved to die a horrible death) and ive heard it before he's says it like it is,or hes not a politician or some just like the tough guy act.. for me it only diminishes the office of The Potus ...

And all my years in the service and correction ..

Those who have done the most been or been in the worst battles .. alway Say the least .. but the message was alway clear..
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I don't think standard of living is enough (nor will happen). Their religion, at least among the mainstream needs a reformation and their culture makes many of them incapable of pulling themselves forward.

Religion or culture, mox nix, doesn't matter.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by JohnR

There are always those that call out a R prez that the language is too harsh and will just foster more violence.

Then some of those same gloss over that austere religious scholar.

Reason # 136 you have Trump

The #WaPoDeathNotice was hilarious https://twitter.com/search?q=%23WaPo...ypeahead_click




This is a very bad take, Bob.





I don't think standard of living is enough (nor will happen). Their religion, at least among the mainstream needs a reformation and their culture makes many of them incapable of pulling themselves forward.

Religion or culture, mox nix, doesn't matter.

Being in IT John and knowing these nuts use the internet almost exclusively for communication and recruitment, I’m surprised you wouldn’t see his comments as damaging. It feeds their hatred hearing their leaders death described that way and provides a great recruiting video for future use. No issue taking a victory lap with commendation for intelligence, military and allies, the comments about how he died are most likely fabricated and completely unnecessary. You of course are entitled to you opinion, I stand by mine.
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Being in IT John and knowing these nuts use the internet almost exclusively for communication and recruitment, I’m surprised you wouldn’t see his comments as damaging. It feeds their hatred hearing their leaders death described that way and provides a great recruiting video for future use. No issue taking a victory lap with commendation for intelligence, military and allies, the comments about how he died are most likely fabricated and completely unnecessary. You of course are entitled to you opinion, I stand by mine.
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And I would never squash your opinion ; )

I don't like half of Trumps speeches, sentences, bad theories, and insults.

I think the bad take (also heard when Bush was Pres) was about feeding into their Promotional / Social Media mastery. Being "nice" to these people (the bad ones) is not going to work and has not worked.

I have difficulty taking seriously the wisdom, reporting, and opinions of the like that call Baghdadi an austere religious scholar (WaPo - not you, Bob).

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Then some of those same gloss over that austere religious scholar.

Reason # 136 you have Trump

The #WaPoDeathNotice was hilarious https://twitter.com/search?q=%23WaPo...ypeahead_click

Did you bother to read the obit or just decide to get baited by trolls?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Did you bother to read the obit or just decide to get baited by trolls?

democrats and al-bagdude have a lot in common...I can understand why they would like to participate in the celebration of his life

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

Did you bother to read the obit or just decide to get baited by trolls?

I read the headline of the obit, it was despicable. Baghdadi was arguably the worst human since Bin Laden, WaPo tried to Ansel Adams his Obit.

If they used "austere religious scholar" with the Dalai-Lama they might be technically correct but the commentariat would be near revolution.

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I read the headline of the obit, it was despicable. Baghdadi was arguably the worst human since Bin Laden, WaPo tried to Ansel Adams his Obit.

If they used "austere religious scholar" with the Dalai-Lama they might be technically correct but the commentariat would be near revolution.

That wasn’t the headline of the obit I read on WaPo.
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[Pete F.]

How ill advised words get used, why you need to be careful of your speech as a leader and above reproach. There is an internet full of examples.

A ranking IRGC (Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps of Iran) commander said that Washington aims to play down the role of Resistance Axis in fighting terrorism in the region.

“ISIL has been defeated by regional nations and the Resistance Axis and Americans aim to question the role of Resistance in the fight against terrorism and say that ‘we are the one undermining ISIL and fighting terrorism’, but this is not the case,” Brigadier General Ismail Kowsari, Deputy Commander of IRGC’s Sarollah Base, told Mehr News Agency on Tuesday.

Despite creating an anti-ISIL UScoalition, Americans didn’t adopt any measure against terrorists and rather, backed these terror groups with all might and the support still continues, he added.

Trump has repeatedly admitted during his presidential election campaign that ISIL was founded by the United States, Kowsari said.

“ISIL was created by Americans and supported by them during the past years; so Americans were well aware of the terror leader’s hiding place,” he added.

“US leaders came to this conclusion that ISIL was of no use for them any longer,” he said adding that they are now mounting propaganda to claim that they are the ones fighting with terrorism.

He noted that al-Baghdadi’s story is very similar to the case of Bin-Laden al-Qaeda, saying US created both and then as soon as their expiration date arrived, made a media buzz and said that they have killed leaders of Takifiri terrorism.

Source: Mehr News Agency



Russia: Satellite Images Prove US Smuggling of Syrian Oil 
Russia, citing satellite imagery, says the United States has been smuggling Syrian oil to other countries under the protection of its troops before and after the defeat of the Daesh Takfiri terrorist group in the region.

Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Major General Igor Konashenkov said on Saturday that “the space intelligence images showed that oil was actively extracted and massively exported for processing outside Syria, under the reliable protection of US troops, before and after the defeat of the Daesh terrorists.”

Konashenkov stressed that the convoys were guarded by US private military companies and special operations forces.

[Pete F.]

Keep believing in the reality TV star

[PaulS]

Contrasting Trump talking about the raid vs Bush and Obama was very telling. What an unintelligent, vile man we have as Pres. Sad

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

What an unintelligent, vile man we have as Pres. Sad

let it all out buddy

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by scottw

let it all out buddy

I did get a chuckle when Pres. Trump said something like "....canine as they call it… I call it a dog"

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

let it all out buddy

Faux News: “We should honor Tulsi Gabbard for her service. Her loyalty to this country can’t be questioned.”

Also Faux News: “Let’s disregard Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman’s service and insinuate he’s a spy.”

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Also Faux News: “Let’s disregard Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman’s service and insinuate he’s a spy.”

disgusting. Where is the bottom?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Faux News: “We should honor Tulsi Gabbard for her service. Her loyalty to this country can’t be questioned.”

Also Faux News: “Let’s disregard Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman’s service and insinuate he’s a spy.”

Cuz tulsi looks better in a bikini on a surfboard......duh??
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by scottw

Cuz tulsi looks better in a bikini on a surfboard......duh??
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It’s about understanding your enemy and one of their recruitment tools is using stupid statements like that to whip up the hatred an$ draw in more recruits. Here let me put it in a way you might understand, it’s like an upcoming Patriots opponent going to social media and saying our defense is so overrated or calling Brady old and done, you don’t give your opponent fuel to fire up the troops. If Trump had a clue he would understand that.

Scott that response was meant for SD don’t know how that happened.
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[Pete F.]

It's not about being nice.
It's about making sure that we do not furnish them the ammunition they use to recruit disciples and further their cause, while keeping the pressure on.
It requires restraint, planning and keeping the endgoal in mind, none of which Trump seems to be capable of.
Belichick, Brady and the Patriots are a good example of how this works, our military and diplomatic corp use the same methods and have quite successfully.