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10-26-2019, 11:43 AM
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You're all scared sh*tless that there's something there, and that Durham is the guy to find it.
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I have nothing to fear from Durham, though I am concerned that the Barr Sshow will decimate any ability our investigative agencies have to look at internal threats.
That though, not truth or justice is the point of this investigation.
Barr’s history makes that self evident.
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10-26-2019, 12:09 PM
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I have nothing to fear from Durham,
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I bet you are on his radar...you better watch out |
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10-26-2019, 11:34 AM
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Is William Barr the Head of DOJ or QAnon?
News that John Durham is investigating the Russia probe as a criminal matter is further evidence that the Justice Department is just a tool for Trump now
I warned you William Barr was the most dangerous man in America.
I warned you he would burn Washington to the ground.
I warned you Barr would shatter the Justice Department into a million fragments.
I warned you Barr would run roughshod over the law, mangle the Constitution, shred the separation of powers, and turn the federal government into a weapon to destroy anyone Donald Trump designates as an enemy. From the moment he manipulated and distorted the findings of the Mueller Report to protect Trump, it was clear that Barr is a living, breathing abuse of power.
As opposed to the projected imaginings of Trump’s hated phantoms of the Deep State, Barr really is at the heart of a government conspiracy to destroy any constraints on the power of the executive branch and to eliminate any accountability for the president of the United States.
For the attorney general to personally travel to the U.K. and Italy to investigate Mueller’s Russia probe, and for the president’s minions to be dispatched to Ukraine and elsewhere stalking these Deep State phantoms, was silly enough. That Barr and others came up empty — as one knew they most certainly would — is an embarrassment, but in an administration without shame or boundaries, the solution to failure is to double down.
At Trump’s personal direction, the Barr “Justice” Department has empowered U.S. Attorney John Durham, a prosecutor of a former reputation for seriousness, to run point on an investigation into the origins of the FBI’s own probe into Russian interference in the 2016 election. This week, we learned that probe now treats the investigation as a criminal matter. Trump seeks not only to destroy the people who tried to reveal the truth about Russia and 2016, but also to intimidate anyone else who dares to tell the truth about his rampant, ongoing regime of corruption and malfeasance. Barr is his weapon, his tool, his agent of vengeance.
That the MAGA and QAnon crowds see Durham as an avenging angel, a death-dealing wild dog here to maul and devour the Deep State is both laughable and horrifying. Their fantasies of roundups, mass arrests, secret indictments, and one-way tickets to GITMO for anyone connected to the operations to identify and neutralize Russian election interference are a common element of their wishcasting. They’re convinced Durham will open the floodgates and bust open a conspiracy that doesn’t exist.
The idea that the DOJ’s FISA warrants will prove a conspiracy against Trump fails to meet the laugh test. Barr has access to all of this information, and if any of it would clear Trump’s name or damage his targets, Barr would have leaked it or launched the DOJ’s resources on something other than a long-range, multi-year Durham investigatory slog.
They want charges of treason. They want Comey, Strozk, Page, Brennan, Clapper, and others arrested. They want a criminal probe of the Mueller effort, despite their contradictory assertion that the Mueller Report exonerated him.
The Trump folks built a baroque conspiracy in their minds that involves a Deep State with powers well beyond what actually exists.
It’s vital to their narrative that sinister forces have had it in for Trump since the beginning. These Deep Staters are — in the best tradition of all authoritarian propaganda — forces that are both all-powerful and purely malevolent. Whether it’s liberal academia, the mainstream media, Islamists, gays, globalists, or Never Trump Human Scum, the agitprop always casts these forces as having powers beyond human understanding.
As the Trump administration feeds its conspiracy-addled base, Barr’s DOJ dribble out a steady stream of alleged discoveries and hypothetical cases to try to assemble a storyline that runs right back to the ultimate superpowered bad guy in their pantheon: the Kenyan Muslim Socialist Sharia Sleeper Agent, Barack Obama. They’re already pushing the emergent theme of “What did Obama know, and when did he know it” — despite the ludicrous nature of the claim.
There was only one 2016 conspiracy, and that was the one Russia waged to elect Trump.
That it’s all fake doesn’t matter. Clicks and tweets are all that counts in the president’s domain. That’s why Barr’s political commissars at the DOJ will feed the breathless coverage of Durham. That’s why the descriptions of the “conspiracy” will grow more fevered and more exaggerated, and why Fox will fill the airwaves with ever-more operatic claims of a plot against Trump.
But they’re hunting for nothing.
The real government — including the intelligence services — doesn’t work that way. There is no unified secret state, no Intel Community Illuminati secretly pulling strings. The origin story of the investigation into Russia didn’t emerge in a smoke-filled room, but bubbled up from reports of shady Russian connections. There was only one 2016 conspiracy, and that was the one Russia waged to elect Trump.
Even Barr’s DOJ won’t deliver a conspiracy big enough to satisfy the Trump crowd. Did Lisa Page and Peter Strzok send some text messages that weren’t professional? Sure. But that’s hardly going to rise to the level where a show trial drags the alleged bad guys before the bar of Justice.
The final element of this crisis is the increasing legal dissonance. Barr is playing antagonist to the so-called Deep State while ignoring and bypassing the actual crimes being committed by the president, and the president’s minions, staffers, allies, and outside legal counsel. His total disinterest in requiring the White House to follow the law, his selective persecution — yes, I used that word advisedly — of Trump’s enemies and his refusal to uphold his oath is stunning.
Barr is openly coordinating an illegal and dangerous effort in support of the president’s private legal defense and political defense efforts. He is weaponizing the DOJ to target Trump’s political opponents. Barr will investigate the investigators until he either breaks them or intimidates them into submission.
Barr has chosen to be Trump’s enforcer, buffer, and legal gymnast. And for that, he poses a risk not only to the DOJ, but to the Republic itself.
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10-26-2019, 05:38 PM
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Who loves to speculate as much as the snowflakes?
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10-26-2019, 06:07 PM
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Who loves to speculate as much as the snowflakes?
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Perhaps weathermen, but at least weathermen are a lot more accurate. |
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10-26-2019, 06:38 PM
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We're quickly approaching a moment of reckoning where we'll all have to decide whom to believe: Donald Trump or every halfway responsible person who's ever worked near him.
Sadly, a not-insignificant portion will choose Trump.
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10-26-2019, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
We're quickly approaching a moment of reckoning where we'll all have to decide whom to believe: Donald Trump or every halfway responsible person who's ever worked near him.
Sadly, a not-insignificant portion will choose Trump.
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There you go again with that "believe" stuff. |
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10-26-2019, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by detbuch
There you go again with that "believe" stuff.
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That’s such a crock, this board is ALL about believe, what you believe and what I believe don’t always match, but 90% or more of all that is posted here is about personal beliefs and point of view.
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10-26-2019, 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Got Stripers
That’s such a crock, this board is ALL about believe, what you believe and what I believe don’t always match, but 90% or more of all that is posted here is about personal beliefs and point of view.
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If you believe that, it must be so. |
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10-26-2019, 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
We're quickly approaching a moment of reckoning where we'll all have to decide whom to believe: Donald Trump or every halfway responsible person who's ever worked near him.
Sadly, a not-insignificant portion will choose Trump.
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At this moment, as of right now, what's your evidence that we can't believe US attorney Durham? What's your evidence that he's not trustworthy, as opposed to being an honorable and skilled prosecutor? We're all ears...all you have, is that he might make trouble for Trumps opponents, and that's all you need to know. Case closed. |
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10-26-2019, 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
At this moment, as of right now, what's your evidence that we can't believe US attorney Durham? What's your evidence that he's not trustworthy, as opposed to being an honorable and skilled prosecutor? We're all ears...all you have, is that he might make trouble for Trumps opponents, and that's all you need to know. Case closed.
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You're not getting it Jim. It's all about belief. It's like a Muslim arguing with a Catholic. That discussion will get nowhere, except a fight. You have to understand that we are in the back end of a Post Modern age. There are no absolute truths. You have your truth and Pete has his truth. The concept of a philosophically Western style rational discussion based on reason and some semblance of basic values, or principles is of no use since those things don't exist. When it comes to differences, the only thing that matters is power. Who is the strongest, or can shout the loudest, or get the most followers to believe him, wins the argument.
Sea Dangles (and Got Stripers in his way) has it about right. There is no point to an actual discussion. Just say stuff. It's easier, and more fun.
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10-27-2019, 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by detbuch
You're not getting it Jim. It's all about belief. It's like a Muslim arguing with a Catholic. That discussion will get nowhere, except a fight. You have to understand that we are in the back end of a Post Modern age. There are no absolute truths. You have your truth and Pete has his truth. The concept of a philosophically Western style rational discussion based on reason and some semblance of basic values, or principles is of no use since those things don't exist. When it comes to differences, the only thing that matters is power. Who is the strongest, or can shout the loudest, or get the most followers to believe him, wins the argument.
Sea Dangles (and Got Stripers in his way) has it about right. There is no point to an actual discussion. Just say stuff. It's easier, and more fun.
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i get all that. but when the libs here say the investigation is a sham, i’m just asking what they base that belief on? because they don’t know a single thing about the investigation yet, som curious as to how they’ve come to believe it’s a sham, based on zero knowledge.
if a muslim asks me why i prefer catholicism, i can articulate very specific reasons why, point to actual evidence that actually exists.
these guys can’t. i’ve asked them all, and except for GS, they completely dodged.
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10-27-2019, 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
curious as to how they’ve come to believe it’s a sham, based on zero knowledge.
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bitter snowflakes |
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10-26-2019, 11:11 PM
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Bingo,
Nobody here has an opinion that actually matters. But a lot of folks like to spout off like little teapots...enjoy your predictions.
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10-26-2019, 11:43 PM
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COMEY ON TRUMP WINNING IN 2020: I’LL BE AT ‘MY NEW HOME IN NEW ZEALAND’
or perhaps in prison...  |
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10-30-2019, 09:36 PM
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I think you might be on to something here.
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10-30-2019, 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles
I think you might be on to something here.
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Remember the January 11, 2017 Politico article outlining the 2016 Ukraine election meddling?
The woman in that story, who worked for the DNC and colluded with the government of Ukraine to sabotage Trump, (which is what Trump was asking President Zelenskyy to look into and talk to Barr about), popped back up in an article today about the well known but secret "whistleblower" . . .
Today we find out the whistleblower" is a registered Democrat held over from the Obama White House, previously worked with former Vice President Joe Biden and former CIA Director John Brennan, a vocal critic of Trump who helped initiate the Russia “collusion” investigation of the Trump campaign during the 2016 election."
Not only that, he, "left his National Security Council posting in the White House’s West Wing in mid-2017 amid concerns about negative leaks to the media. . . . He was accused of working against Trump and leaking against Trump,” said a former NSC official, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence matters."
We already know ( and that Schiff lied about it) that the "whistleblower" "huddled for “guidance” with the staff of House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff, including former colleagues also held over from the Obama era whom Schiff’s office had recently recruited from the NSC."
And now the cherry on top, we find out that the whistleblower, "worked with a Democratic National Committee operative who dug up dirt [as reported in the Politico article] on the Trump campaign during the 2016 election, inviting her into the White House for meetings, . . . The operative, Alexandra Chalupa, a Ukrainian-American who supported Hillary Clinton, led an effort to link the Republican campaign to the Russian government. “He knows her. He had her in the White House,” said one former co-worker, who requested anonymity to discuss the sensitive matter."
Now we know why the whistleblower was so upset, and just had to go run screaming in horror to Schiff and write his report!
He learned Trump was asking Ukrainian President Zelenskyy to investigate his 'comrade in arms' in sabotaging Trump and possibly exposing him and his seditious actions in the White House!
What a patriot!
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You can’t truly call yourself “peaceful” unless you are capable of great violence.
If you are incapable of violence, you are not peaceful, you are just harmless.
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10-31-2019, 05:09 AM
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lots of democrats and deep state partisans need to go to jail here.....drain the swamp baby!
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10-31-2019, 07:01 AM
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Nice try. Everything the whistleblower said has been confirmed by others who have heard the call 1st hand.
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10-31-2019, 07:09 AM
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Nice try. Everything the whistleblower said has been confirmed by others who have heard the call 1st hand.
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we have the transcript...what the whistleblower said it was told thirdhand is now irrelevant...it's no big deal unless you are a melting snowflake determined to exact revenge on the object of your years long ire...stop ignoring the real crimes and criminals |
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10-31-2019, 07:40 AM
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we have the transcript...what the whistleblower said it was told thirdhand is now irrelevant...it's no big deal unless you are a melting snowflake determined to exact revenge on the object of your years long ire...stop ignoring the real crimes and criminals
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you mean the doctored transcript that left out things?
Saying "what a Patriot" to imply Schiff is not a Patriot is as scummy as Ingrahm. Do the Reps. have no bottom? |
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10-31-2019, 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by PaulS
you mean the doctored transcript that left out things?
Saying "what a Patriot" to imply Schiff is not a Patriot is as scummy as Ingrahm. Do the Reps. have no bottom?
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Schiff should be in jail.... |
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10-31-2019, 07:49 AM
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Schiff should be in jail....
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SD should be in jail. |
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10-31-2019, 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by PaulS
you mean the doctored transcript that left out things?
Saying "what a Patriot" to imply Schiff is not a Patriot is as scummy as Ingrahm. Do the Reps. have no bottom?
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No, no, no, clearly Vindman is lying.  |
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"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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10-31-2019, 07:59 AM
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No, no, no, clearly Vindman is lying. |
try to pay attention to what is REALLY going on |
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10-31-2019, 08:36 AM
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Saying "what a Patriot" to imply Schiff is not a Patriot is as scummy as Ingrahm. Do the Reps. have no bottom?
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My "what a patriot" was referring to the "whistleblower" and his motivation. We were told that he was so concerned for the nation that he was compelled to reveal the call . . . When in fact it is obvious he was just scared that his West Wing sedition would be exposed.
NOTHING is as the Dems portray; it is all a crafted narrative designed to mold opinion rather than inform. Lucky for the nation, they are so fake and inept and stupid, their duplicitousness is always exposed. |
You can’t truly call yourself “peaceful” unless you are capable of great violence.
If you are incapable of violence, you are not peaceful, you are just harmless.
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10-31-2019, 08:54 AM
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NOTHING is as the Dems portray; it is all a crafted narrative designed to mold opinion rather than inform. Lucky for the nation, they are so fake and inept and stupid, their duplicitousness is always exposed.
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yup |
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10-31-2019, 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by ReelinRod
My "what a patriot" was referring to the "whistleblower" and his motivation. We were told that he was so concerned for the nation that he was compelled to reveal the call . . . When in fact it is obvious he was just scared that his West Wing sedition would be exposed. 
NOTHING is as the Dems portray; it is all a crafted narrative designed to mold opinion rather than inform. Lucky for the nation, they are so fake and inept and stupid, their duplicitousness is always exposed. |
Right - everyone is lying other than Trump  Fake, inept and stupid - are you talking about Trump and his lies in this whole affair?
Sedition -  That is as scummy as questioning people's patriotism. How low will you go? |
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10-31-2019, 07:07 AM
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Liberal fool
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10-31-2019, 07:41 AM
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Liberal fool
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Dumb irrelevant human. |
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