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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by scottw

That’s debatable. You sound desperate
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Not at all, if you want to watch desperate, tune into Fox or watch the next Trump conference on the lawn, I’m having fun watching the melt down. Better than some of the Netflix shows I’m watching.
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[Got Stripers]

Oh I know it’s anything but funny, in fact the world is always one conflict away from pulling us into another war, but even so it’s hard not to laugh at some of the BS coming out of the White House and GOP.
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[scottw]

dummycraps have been drooling to impeach him since the morning of the election...it's pretty pathetic and unpatriotic

[Got Stripers]

Want to talk pathetic, how about Trump helping Turkey to invade the Kurds by pulling our troops out, the Kurds by the way are guarded the 10000 Isis jailed fighters, most swearing to go after the US if they get out. Those troops guarding those nuts are moving to the front as soon as needed, a massive jailbreak might be looming on the horizon. All that talk about Isis being defeating is probably as usual in Trump world just talk.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Want to talk pathetic, how about Trump helping Turkey to invade the Kurds by pulling our troops out, the Kurds by the way are guarded the 10000 Isis jailed fighters, most swearing to go after the US if they get out. Those troops guarding those nuts are moving to the front as soon as needed, a massive jailbreak might be looming on the horizon. All that talk about Isis being defeating is probably as usual in Trump world just talk.
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every time you cackle about something....it ends up being just cackling....it's like spence's predictions

I was SHOCKED to read this

The anonymous member of the intelligence community who filed the whistleblower complaint against President Trump that has resulted in a formal impeachment probe against him reportedly had a professional relationship with one of the 2020 Democratic presidential candidates.

Three people familiar with the situation said the Intelligence Community’s inspector general, Michael Atkinson, revealed during closed-door interviews with Republicans that the whistleblower, reportedly a registered Democrat, had a prior work relationship with one of the current Democratic presidential contenders, according to a report in the Washington Examiner published Tuesday.

[Pete F.]

A bad situation in Northeast Syria is about to get much worse. Sources tell me that US officials have just informed the Syrian Kurds that Turkey is likely to attack on air and ground in next 24 hours. The US will do nothing. Targets are Tal Abyad and Ras al Ayn.
Ironically Tal Abyad was the main supply route for ISIS in 2014-15 through an open border from Turkey. Turkey refused repeated requests from US to shut border. That's a big reason why US decided to partner with SDF, which took the town in the summer of 2015.
...I'm also told that Turkish attack appears coordinated with the Russians. Russian-backed forces are mobilizing to invade the Kurdish area from the south — towards Tabqa and other spots. Meanwhile, ISIS is mobilizing sleeper cells in Raqqa and attacks have taken place tonight.
And finally there is the scary issue of the thousands of ISIS detainees and families, who may be breaking out of camps and prisons after Turkish attack--with NO American back-up plan. This is a major disaster coming at us because of Trump's decisions. Hours left to stop it.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Sources tell me that US officials have just

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hey peto, how do your sources inform you?....is it telepathically or smoke signal?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

A bad situation in Northeast Syria is about to get much worse. Sources tell me that US officials have just informed the Syrian Kurds that Turkey is likely to attack on air and ground in next 24 hours. The US will do nothing. Targets are Tal Abyad and Ras al Ayn.
Ironically Tal Abyad was the main supply route for ISIS in 2014-15 through an open border from Turkey. Turkey refused repeated requests from US to shut border. That's a big reason why US decided to partner with SDF, which took the town in the summer of 2015.
...I'm also told that Turkish attack appears coordinated with the Russians. Russian-backed forces are mobilizing to invade the Kurdish area from the south — towards Tabqa and other spots. Meanwhile, ISIS is mobilizing sleeper cells in Raqqa and attacks have taken place tonight.
And finally there is the scary issue of the thousands of ISIS detainees and families, who may be breaking out of camps and prisons after Turkish attack--with NO American back-up plan. This is a major disaster coming at us because of Trump's decisions. Hours left to stop it.
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why is this ours alone to deal with. and i'm supposed to believe, that if trump then declared war on turkey to protect the kurds, none of you would have a problem with that?

what i learned last night, is that congress never formally approved use of force in syria ( they didn’t need to obviously, but could have). so none of the politicians wanted to go on the record as saying they supported putting kids in harms way there, but they’re all livid that trump, who campaigned specifically on the issue of bringing troops home and won the election, is keeping his word.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

why is this ours alone to deal with.


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Ummmm....NATO. ??
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

why is this ours alone to deal with. and i'm supposed to believe, that if trump then declared war on turkey to protect the kurds, none of you would have a problem with that?

what i learned last night, is that congress never formally approved use of force in syria ( they didn’t need to obviously, but could have). so none of the politicians wanted to go on the record as saying they supported putting kids in harms way there, but they’re all livid that trump, who campaigned specifically on the issue of bringing troops home and won the election, is keeping his word.
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They were there to defeat Isis and 10,000 of those nuts are housed in make shift prisons, guarded by Kurds. Can you imagine being a soldier or commander stationed there, when the Kurds out of necessity abandon their guard duties to head to the front, allowing sleeper cells to break out their comrades. Trump is a simpleton and doesn't seek advice from anyone, this decision blindsided everyone and now if forced to walk it back; it's not going to help him politically. A phone call from Turkey, someone gives him the praise he so desperately needs and out we go, with the Russians poised to move from the other side.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

They were there to defeat Isis and 10,000 of those nuts are housed in make shift prisons, guarded by Kurds. Can you imagine being a soldier or commander stationed there, when the Kurds out of necessity abandon their guard duties to head to the front, allowing sleeper cells to break out their comrades. Trump is a simpleton and doesn't seek advice from anyone, this decision blindsided everyone and now if forced to walk it back; it's not going to help him politically. A phone call from Turkey, someone gives him the praise he so desperately needs and out we go, with the Russians poised to move from the other side.

"They were there to defeat Isis"

Which I believe they did. Months ago.

"10,000 of those nuts are housed in make shift prisons"

Lots of ways to deal with that.

"Can you imagine being a soldier or commander stationed there, when the Kurds out of necessity abandon their guard duties to head to the front, allowing sleeper cells to break out their comrades. Trump is a simpleton and doesn't seek advice from anyone"

It's not that simple. I'm trying to find the video, there was a Marine captain on TV last night, sayng any soldier would feel good about fighting ISIS in Syria, none of them would feel good sitting there waiting to get sucked into a regional conflict in which the US has no vital interests.

It's not necessarily that Trump isn't listehbing to anybody (though that's possible). It's that he's listening to people like Rand Paul and this Marine Captain, and all you hear on MSNBC and CNN is that the move is stupid. You don't hear from any thoughtful, caring people who are on Trumps side. Not on those stations. Only that Trump is evil.

"Debate" involves listening to thoughtful people on both sides, not just one side.

When Bush decided to double down in Iraq with the surge, he was called a neocon war monger.

When Obama pulled out of Iraq (possibly allowing the bad guys to eliminate gains we made), CNN and MSNBC said bringoing troops home was the right hting to do.

When Trump decides to being troops home, he's an idiot.

Soo it seems to me, the only consistency in terms of response and messaging, is that the Republican is always wrong, he democrat is always right.

Yeah, yeah, whataboutism. Yeah, yeah, Iraq and Syria aren't exactly the same.

I'm not saying I support Trumps decision or that I hate it. I don't know. I do like General Mattis and would tend to believe he's right more often than he's wrong, and he wanted to stay. But Bolton also wanted to stay, and he could care less how many Americans get killed there. I don't know.

WHat I am pretty sure of, is that much of this is political. If Hilary made the same decision, she'd be hailed as a genius.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"They were there to defeat Isis"

Which I believe they did. Months ago.

"10,000 of those nuts are housed in make shift prisons"

Lots of ways to deal with that. How



It's not necessarily that Trump isn't listehbing to anybody (though that's possible). It's that he's listening to people like Rand Paul and this Marine Captain, and all you hear on MSNBC and CNN is that the move is stupid. You don't hear from any thoughtful, caring people who are on Trumps side. Not on those stations. Only that Trump is evil. A marine captain does not set policy he has no vision or information beyond the company he commands

"Debate" involves listening to thoughtful people on both sides, not just one side. seem the mirror is Trumps only debate partner

When Bush decided to double down in Iraq with the surge, he was called a neocon war monger.

When Obama pulled out of Iraq (possibly allowing the bad guys to eliminate gains we made), CNN and MSNBC said bringoing troops home was the right hting to do.
Keep repeating this lie I have corrected you all ready on the History of why we left . angin facts need not apply

When Trump decides to being troops home, he's an idiot.

again your missing the bigger picture

Soo it seems to me, the only consistency in terms of response and messaging, is that the Republican is always wrong, he democrat is always right.

no that's your take on everything reguardless of facts

Yeah, yeah, whataboutism. Yeah, yeah, Iraq and Syria aren't exactly the same.

I'm not saying I support Trumps decision or that I hate it. I don't know. I do like General Mattis and would tend to believe he's right more often than he's wrong, and he wanted to stay. But Bolton also wanted to stay, and he could care less how many Americans get killed there. I don't know.

WHat I am pretty sure of, is that much of this is political. If Hilary made the same decision, she'd be hailed as a genius. shes not POTUS false equivalency

The method is what bothers people and our allies (aka TWEET ) not the reason Trump has given .. which is complete BS by the way ...

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

why is this ours alone to deal with. and i'm supposed to believe, that if trump then declared war on turkey to protect the kurds, none of you would have a problem with that?

what i learned last night, is that congress never formally approved use of force in syria ( they didn’t need to obviously, but could have). so none of the politicians wanted to go on the record as saying they supported putting kids in harms way there, but they’re all livid that trump, who campaigned specifically on the issue of bringing troops home and won the election, is keeping his word.
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We were dealing with it with a minimum number of troops and the big hammer that we previously carried while speaking softly, not tweeting and folding like an unprepared idiot.


The legality of our involvement in the Syrian conflict is interesting on both an international and USA level. Sometimes we do stuff for what we believe in, regardless of international law.

[Got Stripers]

Not to worry, we have a leader with great and unmatched wisdom, his thumbs will tweet out a solution, one our enemies will probably understand more easily than our allies. Keep saying how good we have it back home, if the Middle East blows up with the poor handling by Trump, guess what our economy is tied closely to what happens world wide. I hope the Republicans continue to push hard against what Trump is proposing.

Kurds lost 10,000 plus, much more wounded helping up the US fight ISIS and we lost a dozen soldiers, but Trump needs to make a political move to gain what he sees as a political win or fulfillment of a campaign promise. The world is watching with glee (enemy’s) or shock (allies) at what is happening with US foreign policy.
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[Sea Dangles]

America 1st
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

America 1st
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Keep believing our economy isn't interwoven to global markets, hope you don't get too much sand in your ears with your head stuck so far in the sand. What we do internationally is of key importance to our well being. If you were a parent of one of those men and women in Syria fighting Isis and this move allows 10,000 nuts loose to wreck havoc on the US again, you might be signing a different tune.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Keep believing our economy isn't interwoven to global markets.

who has ever said this?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Keep believing our economy isn't interwoven to global markets, hope you don't get too much sand in your ears with your head stuck so far in the sand. What we do internationally is of key importance to our well being. If you were a parent of one of those men and women in Syria fighting Isis and this move allows 10,000 nuts loose to wreck havoc on the US again, you might be signing a different tune.

The same people (not you, but news people and talking heads) making that same case now, sure weren't saying that when Obama pulled out of Iraq.

There's logic to what you say, there's a risk here. If the big concern is 10,000 ISIS prisoners, find a way to secure them. If the issue is protecting the Kurds from Turkey, that's not our problem to solve alone.

Where was the concern for the Kurds when Assad gassed them, blatantly ignoring Obama's red line?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

If the big concern is 10,000 ISIS prisoners, find a way to secure them.

give them tents and fly them to California

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

give them tents and fly them to California

Se when Bush set up Guantanimo Bay to secure terrorists, that was so mean as to be a war crime. But when Trump leaves these prisoners where they are, it's not secure enough because they might get back into circulation as terrorists.

As long as the Republican is painted as wrong, that's all that matters.

Grouch Marx famously said, "these are my principles. But if you don't like them, I have other, different principles."

liberal=good, conservative=bad, always, no exceptions.

[Sea Dangles]

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to wreck havoc on the US again, you might be signing a different tune.[/QUOTE]

I don’t know how to sign but will attempt to wreck havoc.👍🏿
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

I don’t know how to sign but will attempt to wreck havoc.👍🏿
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There he is, thank God I was worried you were suffocating with you head either so far up your own Arse or the sand, you wouldn't make it through the day. Like a breath of fresh air your always there to point out one of my world damaging auto correct mistakes, Mr. Irrelevant strikes again. Your contributions here are so deep and thought provoking.

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

There he is, thank God I was worried you were suffocating with you head either so far up your own Arse or the sand, you wouldn't make it through the day. Like a breath of fresh air your always there to point out one of my world damaging auto correct mistakes, Mr. Irrelevant strikes again. Your contributions here are so deep and thought provoking.

🤗
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[Pete F.]

Here is the number of troops in Syria per Trump.
However he typically has trouble with getting numbers correct.

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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Fighting between various groups that has been going on for hundreds of years. USA should never have been in Middle East. Moved our 50 soldiers out. Turkey MUST take over captured ISIS fighters that Europe refused to have returned. The stupid endless wars, for us, are ending!

[Pete F.]

Jim once again with But Hillary, I realize you, Faux and Trump still don't realize he won the election. Probably because he has never acted Presidential.

If you look further you will find that of the detainees 2K are Europeans, some still are Americans and nobody can figure out who is who and who did what sufficiently to convict them in a court. That includes us.

Kurds are Christians, Turks are Islamists and you have now seemingly changed sides from your evils of Islam position.

“Turkey has neither the intent, desire, nor capacity to manage 60k detainees in al Hol camp, which State and DoD IGs [inspector general] warn is the nucleus for a resurgent ISIS. Believing otherwise is a reckless gamble with our national security,” Brett McGurk, Trump’s former envoy for the fight against ISIS, tweeted.

[Jim in CT]

Pete, see what I'm doing? It's OK when you cite sources who aren't people who set policy, as long as those folks are bashing Trump. But if I cite a non policy-making source who supports Trump, well he's not credible, because he doesn't set policy.

Again, the logic is crystal clear. liberal=good, conservative=bad.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Pete, see what I'm doing? It's OK when you cite sources who aren't people who set policy, as long as those folks are bashing Trump. But if I cite a non policy-making source who supports Trump, well he's not credible, because he doesn't set policy.

Again, the logic is crystal clear. liberal=good, conservative=bad.

Are you arguing with me about something WDMSO posted perhaps?
You’ve shown many times that your crystal clear logic is Jim=good, contrary = (bad, therefore liberal)
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Are you arguing with me about something WDMSO posted perhaps?
You’ve shown many times that your crystal clear logic is Jim=good, contrary = (bad, therefore liberal)
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That would be a yes. Apologies for that idiotic error.

"You’ve shown many times that your crystal clear logic is Jim=good, contrary = (bad, therefore liberal)"

Wrong. I ask questions, and as I did here (not that I had a whole lot of choice) I admit when I'm wrong.

Pete, can you point me to any of the many threads you've started, which give credit to republicans? I have started threads in favor of gay marriage, in favor of gun control, in favor of better health coverage for pre existing conditions. I'm not afraid at all to admit that I wholeheartedly agree with liberals on some big issues. That's one of the benefits of thinking for myself. I don't need to go crazy when a republican does something stupid or unethical (though it does disappoint me), I haven't gone all-in on either side.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Pete, can you point me to any of the many threads you've started, which give credit to republicans? .

Peto is a goldwater girl
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Pete, can you point me to any of the many threads you've started, which give credit to republicans? I don't need to go crazy when a republican does something stupid or unethical (though it does disappoint me), I haven't gone all-in on either side.

You will find few, if any, that are not about the Citrus Caligula.

I have been consistent in my message, I don't think it is hard to figure out.

Trump is a con man, liar, a cheat and not capable of being President.

He is destroying relationships that have taken American lives to attain.

He is enabling Putin, MBS and other authoritarian leaders far more than is readily apparent.

It keeps getting worse and until that is resolved I am not interested in discussing relatively small and unimportant political BS.